Track & Field Forcing Women to Medically Lower Natural Testosterone

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

This is bullshit. The top governing organization for world track and field has implemented rules forcing women competitors with NATURAL high testosterone to medically lower it with medicine. In other words, if you are born with advantages athletically such as having testosterone higher than an average woman, you are being forced to lower your natural ability.

http://time.com/5582187/caster-semenya-testosterone-track-and-field-rules/

 

[ohio herd]

This is bullshit. The top governing organization for world track and field has implemented rules forcing women competitors with NATURAL high testosterone to medically lower it with medicine. In other words, if you are born with advantages athletically such as having testosterone higher than an average woman, you are being forced to lower your natural ability.

http://time.com/5582187/caster-semenya-testosterone-track-and-field-rules/

just curious not looking for a fight, what do you think of them allowing transgender folks to compete against girls?

 

[-CarlHungus-]

I agree with Yags.

Eric Weinstein does too.

I don’t agree with the guy who transitioned to female winning all those weight lifting competitions but I agree with Yags on this.

 

[sistersville]

This is a slam dunk from Jags. Taking something that will slow you down is called taking drugs. Xanax or Valium? I have no idea what they would take. My bestest friend jags knows what they are giving those girls. Taking pills is ruining America. Wonder what Trump takes. Maybe he's like Kennedy and has Dr Feelgood giving him a shot of dexadrene every morning. Also known has brown and clear

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I wonder if the rumors about her having internal testicles, and no womb or ovaries, is true. I'm no doctor, but to me that makes someone more of a man than a woman. It's certainly a weird case....and certainly it isn't fair to women who lack....balls.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

I wonder if the rumors about her having internal testicles, and no womb or ovaries, is true. I'm no doctor, but to me that makes someone more of a man than a woman. It's certainly a weird case....and certainly it isn't fair to women who lack....balls.

Probably some form of intersex. These rumors may very well be true. I don’t know if she’s had chromosome testing yet that’s been released or not.

I read a little more after yags posted....at first I thought was kind of straight forward...but not so much it seems.

It’s incredibly complex. Not sure there’s a great solution here. She undoubtedly has a competitive advantage and if she is XY and her only “female” characteristic is a vagina (but no ovaries) then as you say from a competitive standpoint she’s more man than woman.

Really hard case.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Up with a sick kid so didn’t get to read all of this but here’s a long but seemingly reasonable argument in favor of the ruling from a Duke Law professor that is a former track star ..,

https://quillette.com/2019/05/03/a-victory-for-female-athletes-everywhere/

 

[-CarlHungus-]

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

Ha. I just read that article as well and was going to share it.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Probably some form of intersex. These rumors may very well be true. I don’t know if she’s had chromosome testing yet that’s been released or not.

I read a little more after yags posted....at first I thought was kind of straight forward...but not so much it seems.

It’s incredibly complex. Not sure there’s a great solution here. She undoubtedly has a competitive advantage and if she is XY and her only “female” characteristic is a vagina (but no ovaries) then as you say from a competitive standpoint she’s more man than woman.

Really hard case.

As I understand, the track sanctioning body did have her tested. And then didn't release the results (understandable); however there were leaks to the media that claimed what I posted. Of course there are many different scenarios and syndromes of intersex, and I don't claim to be very knowledgeable at all on that topic, but it's obvious a female with male levels of T since puberty and ongoing are at a huge advantage. I don't see it as any different from the old Soviet Block countries pumping their female athletes full of T and roids, it's simply not fair.

Great article you posted, BTW. I read another written by a trans woman distance runner who supported the ruling. She expressed her own experience that after she began hormone therapy her times dropped by 10%. It's clear as day to me. Do I feel bad for Semenya? Sure. But that's not relevant.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

As I understand, the track sanctioning body did have her tested. And then didn't release the results (understandable); however there were leaks to the media that claimed what I posted. Of course there are many different scenarios and syndromes of intersex, and I don't claim to be very knowledgeable at all on that topic, but it's obvious a female with male levels of T since puberty and ongoing are at a huge advantage. I don't see it as any different from the old Soviet Block countries pumping their female athletes full of T and roids, it's simply not fair.

Great article you posted, BTW. I read another written by a trans woman distance runner who supported the ruling. She expressed her own experience that after she began hormone therapy her times dropped by 10%. It's clear as day to me. Do I feel bad for Semenya? Sure. But that's not relevant.

I feel bad for her too. All I’ve read suggests she seems like humble person with great work ethic.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I feel bad for her too. All I’ve read suggests she seems like humble person with great work ethic.

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The more I read, even without her exact results being released, there are too many mentions that this rule specifically applies to 46 XY. I believe that's as good as an admission of the testing results.

https://www.lawinsport.com/sports-l...iaaf-executive-summary?tmpl=component&print=1

For the practical purposes of sex-specific sport classification, that's a man.

On a side note, this new practice of some men who identify as women to being allowed to compete as women is total bullshit.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

The more I read as well the more I thought the ruling was reasonable. At first glance I thought it was not good but with a deeper dive...

I think there are good arguments on both sides here and I’m sensitive to protection of the minority (or genetic variants) here.

But, an XY person with testosterone multiple standard deviations above XX (I’m not talking about XY with AIS) but with phenotypic female genitalia I think from a competitive “fairness” standpoint should compete with other XY men if we’re using sex specific classification.