trump/conservatives say nrnb (no tax refunds for no body)

[dherd]

more than $140 billion in are at risk of being frozen or delayed if the government shutdown stretches into February, widespread disruptions that threaten to hurt the economy. The Trump administration, which had not anticipated a long-term shutdown,suspension of tax refunds illustrate the compounding consequences of leaving large parts of the federal government unfunded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...898adc28fa2_story.html?utm_term=.943ce63a2622

 

[Chevy1]

Which begs the next question - who's going to manage the tax returns getting filed if the Govt is shut down?

 

[dherd]

no problem - trump says Americans will be happy to forego their tax refunds because they
realize how important it is to support trump and his wall or slats or curtain or chain link fence
or moat or barbed wire anything just anything that will get him off the hook for his big con.

just think - this is the guy who is doing all those big trade deals for us - he is negotiation
against Russia, China, the world on our behalf.

GREAT JOB CONS, GREAT JOB.

 

[i am herdman]

I don't get a refund anyway. I pay them ass loads every year. Doesn't bother me one bit to shut it down. If they don't get their earned income credit oh well. Never understood that one anyway. How do you get more back than you pay in?

 

[HerdBuckeye]

I don't get a refund anyway. I pay them ass loads every year. Doesn't bother me one bit to shut it down. If they don't get their earned income credit oh well. Never understood that one anyway. How do you get more back than you pay in?

Cause people who can’t save money on their own like the government to save for them then dump a check on their lap every spring. Low income strategy for saving money. Then they take it an dump it in their myrtle beach vacation every summer.

 

[ThunderCat98]

This is what will end the shutdown. When an overwhelming majority of constituents start bitching about not getting their money, Congress and the President will miraculously reach a compromise. All they're doing now is posturing because the federal workforce impacted at this point is small enough that they don't really alter reelection prospects in the future. This thing will be over between January 20th and 25th because Joe Schmoe will be losing money.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

This is what will end the shutdown. When an overwhelming majority of constituents start bitching about not getting their money, Congress and the President will miraculously reach a compromise. All they're doing now is posturing because the federal workforce impacted at this point is small enough that they don't really alter reelection prospects in the future. This thing will be over between January 20th and 25th because Joe Schmoe will be losing money.

That, and when TSA employees totally stop coming to work and the airports close.

 

[i am herdman]

That, and when TSA employees totally stop coming to work and the airports close.

Maybe Trump will fire them like Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. Then, we can hire new people to fondle grandmothers' titties at security.

 

[countryroads89]

That, and when TSA employees totally stop coming to work and the airports close.

TSA and air traffic controllers will not keep coming to work without being paid.

 

[i am herdman]

TSA and air traffic controllers will not keep coming to work without being paid.

How did that work out the last time for the air traffic controllers?

 

[countryroads89]

How did that work out the last time for the air traffic controllers?

You do realize that was a completely different situation? You think they are going to fire 10s of thousands of air traffic controllers? LMAO! How long will it take to train replacements? You keep living up to being the dumbest poster on this board.

 

[SamSwimmer]

Cause people who can’t save money on their own like the government to save for them then dump a check on their lap every spring. Low income strategy for saving money. Then they take it an dump it in their myrtle beach vacation every summer.

Whoa. Are you sure you're posting this under the right screen name?

 

[i am herdman]

You do realize that was a completely different situation? You think they are going to fire 10s of thousands of air traffic controllers? LMAO! How long will it take to train replacements? You keep living up to being the dumbest poster on this board.

IT was a joke, lighten up francis.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Whoa. Are you sure you're posting this under the right screen name?

Mostly hillbillies from WV.

 

[extragreen]

IT was a joke, lighten up francis.

Maybe it was a joke, maybe, but that's exactly what you'd like to see happen.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Maybe Trump will fire them like Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. Then, we can hire new people to fondle grandmothers' titties at security.

I just checked, there are 57k TSA employees. Yeah, they will replace them overnight.

Something has to give, people cannot and will not continue to work without a paycheck. Sure, they will eventually get paid, but they are not going to wait to get evicted, lose their homes, have utilities cut off, and not eat until then. Those jobs start around $16 hr, I doubt they all have huge amounts of savings built up.

 

[i am herdman]

I just checked, there are 57k TSA employees. Yeah, they will replace them overnight.

Something has to give, people cannot and will not continue to work without a paycheck. Sure, they will eventually get paid, but they are not going to wait to get evicted, lose their homes, have utilities cut off, and not eat until then. Those jobs start around $16 hr, I doubt they all have huge amounts of savings built up.

Maybe Congress ought to let the chief executive do his job wich is to protect the country. He is not asking for that much money to the first part of what he wants to do. The chief executive's job is not be a coddling teddy bear for a nation of snowflakes. When did we make the POTUS position so soft?

Have a country or not or just do away with it and built a conglomerate of nothing all in the name of multiculturalism.

 

[extragreen]

Maybe Congress ought to let the chief executive do his job wich is to protect the country

By building a wall that is ineffective? If he actually wanted to secure the border, I'll be willing to give him money to improve the speed and safety of port of entries and more border patrol agents, but not for wasting the money on a wall.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Maybe Congress ought to let the chief executive do his job wich is to protect the country.

Maybe the chief executive should let the House do its job, which is to write the budget.

 

[herdfan429]

By building a wall that is ineffective? If he actually wanted to secure the border, I'll be willing to give him money to improve the speed and safety of port of entries and more border patrol agents, but not for wasting the money on a wall.

Do you have a fence around your property?

 

[extragreen]

Do you have a fence around your property?

No. But if I ever do, mexico is paying for it.

 

[i am herdman]

By building a wall that is ineffective? If he actually wanted to secure the border, I'll be willing to give him money to improve the speed and safety of port of entries and more border patrol agents, but not for wasting the money on a wall.

Yehh because all illegals come across a port of entry and say hey here I am and let me in.

How many border agents do you want?

The wall or fence or bamboo stick thingy is cheaper in the long run.

 

[i am herdman]

No. But if I ever do, mexico is paying for it.

what would you do if all your neighbors came and took your tools, food, and camped out on your lawn while you paid for it?

 

[herdfan429]

No. But if I ever do, mexico is paying for it.

Do you have your workshop locked up surrounded by walls?

 

[extragreen]

Yehh because all illegals come across a port of entry and say hey here I am and let me in.

As you been told before, most illegal immigrants are in the u s due to overstays of visas. Walls wont stop that.

How many border agents do you want?

However many it takes. That provides jobs the wall won't.

The wall or fence or bamboo stick thingy is cheaper in the long run.

^^^unsubstantiated

 

[extragreen]

what would you do if all your neighbors came and took your tools, food, and camped out on your lawn while you paid for it?

I'd build a wall and make mexico pay for it.

 

[extragreen]

Do you have your workshop locked up surrounded by walls?

Everyone does. That's the reason there's never anything stolen or damaged inside houses.

 

[herdfan429]

Everyone does. That's the reason there's never anything stolen or damaged inside houses.

To protect your stuff. Same concept

 

[extragreen]

To protect your stuff. Same concept

If walls and locks prevent entry, damage, and theft, then you don't need guns, right?

 

[herdfan429]

If walls and locks prevent entry, damage, and theft, then you don't need guns, right?

Did I say they prevent entry damage or theft?

 

[i am herdman]

As you been told before, most illegal immigrants are in the u s due to overstays of visas. Walls wont stop that.



However many it takes. That provides jobs the wall won't.



^^^unsubstantiated

ok, work on going after the employers and illegals. we agree on that. wall is a good start.

how would the wall not be cheaper than hiring thousands of border control agents? Salaries, training, benefits, legacy costs?

 

[extragreen]

Did I say they prevent entry damage or theft?

Wait. I thought you said "same concept."

 

[herdfan429]

Wait. I thought you said "same concept."

It is both are designed for protection

 

[extragreen]

ok, work on going after the employers and illegals. we agree on that. wall is a good start.

how would the wall not be cheaper than hiring thousands of border control agents? Salaries, training, benefits, legacy costs?

No the wall is not a good start.
No, the wall is not cheaper. I've already provided the reason why. 10,000 additional border agents at $50,000 per year each could be employed for 48 years to equal the 24 billion required to build the wall. Plus it provides 10,000 permanent jobs at decent pay.

 

[i am herdman]

Trump asked for 5 billion

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

The Wall is being built, one way or another, and that's simply the way it's going to be. You don't have to like it, nor do you have to want it, but it's coming.

 

[MStap]

It will be interesting to see what happens. “The wall” has become such a polarizing subject that the Democrats will never give in and the republicans will not either. My guess is they will split the baby and put a bunch of money toward border security agents, claim victory and blame the other side.

 

[extragreen]

The Wall is being built, one way or another, and that's simply the way it's going to be. You don't have to like it, nor do you have to want it, but it's coming.

I doubt that.

 

[extragreen]

Trump asked for 5 billion

If you think you can build the wall for 5 billion, you're nuts. Bankers ditch idea would cost that much.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

If you think you can build the wall for 5 billion, you're nuts. Bankers ditch idea would cost that much.

Of course, he never said he thought you could build the entire wall for 5 billion. He stated Trump only asked for 5 billion (for now). 25 billion total, and without a doubt, it's coming. The Wall will be built.

Bank on it.