trump loves whoppers

[dherd]

The New York Times closely tracked Mr. Trump’s public statements from Sept. 15-21, and assembled a list of his 31 biggest whoppers, many of them uttered repeatedly. This total excludes dozens more: Untruths that appeared to be mere hyperbole or humor, or delivered purely for effect, or what could generously be called rounding errors. Mr. Trump’s campaign, which dismissed this compilation as “silly,” offered responses on every point, but in none of the following instances did the responses support his assertions.

All politicians bend the truth to fit their purposes, including Hillary Clinton. But Donald J. Trump has unleashed a blizzard of falsehoods, exaggerations and outright lies in the general election, peppering his speeches, interviews and Twitter posts with untruths so frequent that they can seem flighty or random — even compulsive.

However, a closer examination, over the course of a week, revealed an unmistakable pattern: Virtually all of Mr. Trump’s falsehoods directly bolstered a powerful and self-aggrandizing narrative depicting him as a heroic savior for a nation menaced from every direction. Mike Murphy, a Republican strategist, described the practice as creating “an unreality bubble that he surrounds himself with.”



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

[andy4theherd]

"I was not aware of Hillary's email server. I found out when the rest of the public did."
-Obama

 

[wisemaniac]

"I was not aware of Hillary's email server. I found out when the rest of the public did."
-Obama

The FBI might as well have let Cheryl Mills run the investigation given what's come out in the doc dumps.

 

[extragreen]

"I was not aware of Hillary's email server. I found out when the rest of the public did."
-Obama

link??

 

[GK4Herd]

link??

In an interview with CBS News Senior Whitehouse correspondent Bill Plante...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-weighs-in-hillary-clinton-private-emails/

 

[extragreen]

In an interview with CBS News Senior Whitehouse correspondent Bill Plante...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-weighs-in-hillary-clinton-private-emails/

"President Obama only learned of Hillary Clinton's private email address use for official State Department business after a New York Times report, he told CBS News in an interview."

 

[GK4Herd]

"President Obama only learned of Hillary Clinton's private email address use for official State Department business after a New York Times report, he told CBS News in an interview."

So you're saying that their email exchanges with him using the pseudonym were not official State Department business. What were they doing, exchanging brownie recipes? Seems to me that you're chosing to view this within the framework of your ideology. I can guarantee you this...if this exact scenario were GW and Cheney you'd be nailing them to the cross and the conservatives would be using your same defense.

 

[extragreen]

So you're saying that their email exchanges with him using the pseudonym were not official State Department business. What were they doing, exchanging brownie recipes? Seems to me that you're chosing to view this within the framework of your ideology. I can guarantee you this...if this exact scenario were GW and Cheney you'd be nailing them to the cross and the conservatives would be using your same defense.

First, we don't know the content of obama's email exchanges. If he called her to congratulate her, wish her happy birthday, etc., would you consider that as official State Department business?

Secondly, I'm showing the difference between andy's statement:
"I was not aware of Hillary's email server. I found out when the rest of the public did."
-Obama

and what obama actually said: President Obama only learned of Hillary Clinton's private email address use for official State Department business

per YOUR link. Surely you can see that's a big difference.

 

[GK4Herd]

I see your point in the semantics of the quote.

 

[extragreen]

It's not semantics. It's 2 entirely different statements.

 

[GK4Herd]

I'm saying you have a point. The word semantics implies wording. I didn't see your point with the wording and now I do.

Dang...you're so use to arguing that you don't even know when you successfully made a point. You're like the big fullback who finds himself in open field and instead of running to daylight you look for someone to run into.

 

[extragreen]

That's all fine and dandy, as long as you understand that the 2 statements are not a problem of the meaning of words (semantics), but that one statement is demonstrably false and the other is, at worst, unproven.

 

[dherd]

. I can guarantee you this...if this exact scenario were GW and Cheney you'd be nailing them to the cross and the conservatives would be using your same defense.

THAT IS NOT TRUE AND HERE IS THE PROOF:
For 18 months, Republican strategists, political pundits, reporters and Americans who follow them have been pursuing Hillary Clinton’s personal email habits, and no evidence of a crime has been found. But now they at least have the skills and interest to focus on a much larger and deeper email conspiracy, one involving war, lies, a private server run by the Republican Party and contempt of Congress citations—all of it still unsolved and unpunished.

Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

 

[wisemaniac]

So you're saying that their email exchanges with him using the pseudonym were not official State Department business. What were they doing, exchanging brownie recipes? Seems to me that you're chosing to view this within the framework of your ideology. I can guarantee you this...if this exact scenario were GW and Cheney you'd be nailing them to the cross and the conservatives would be using your same defense.

Does anyone really think the two were just exchanging yoga stances? The POTUS has a direct line to literally anyone in the world at a moment's notice. Especially someone who is or was under his employ - & who happens to be a giant Democrat fundraising cash cow. He didn't create a pseudonym to carry on banal conversations. This administration (well, really any administration but especially this one) seems to despise FOIA. Why were they carrying on conversations using a pseudonym? As Bernie Sanders said on Clinton's corruption, the American people aren't dumb. Obama is the most tech savvy President we've ever had. And now somehow he's being portrayed as aloof to technology.

I refuse to believe Obama expects Americans to believe he finds out about the big stuff the same way a homeless guy in a bus shelter watching the news does.

 

[dherd]

Tall Tales About Himself
Mr. Trump’s version of reality allows for few, if any, flaws in himself. As he tells it, the polls are always looking up, his policy solutions are painless and simple and his judgment regarding politics and people has been consistent — and flawless. The most consistent falsehood he tells about himself may be that he opposed the war in Iraq from the start, when the evidence shows otherwise.

1
He said a supportive crowd chanted, “Let him speak!” when a black pastor in Flint, Mich., asked Mr. Trump not to give a political speech in the church.
FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 15.
There were no such chants.

 

[Walden Pond]

Bill Clinton used to love whoppers. At Burger King and in the Oval Office, but he looks too old for it these days.

 

[GK4Herd]

Does anyone really think the two were just exchanging yoga stances? The POTUS has a direct line to literally anyone in the world at a moment's notice. Especially someone who is or was under his employ - & who happens to be a giant Democrat fundraising cash cow. He didn't create a pseudonym to carry on banal conversations. This administration (well, really any administration but especially this one) seems to despise FOIA. Why were they carrying on conversations using a pseudonym? As Bernie Sanders said on Clinton's corruption, the American people aren't dumb. Obama is the most tech savvy President we've ever had. And now somehow he's being portrayed as aloof to technology.

I refuse to believe Obama expects Americans to believe he finds out about the big stuff the same way a homeless guy in a bus shelter watching the news does.

This is an entirely different point all together. I conceded EGs point on the wording because the truth of it is I really don't know whether they corresponded official business or not. But do I suspect they did? I think it's likely that sensitive material was exchanged. I just don't know that for certain.

Conceding that he has a point with how he presented it isn't endorsing Hillary's actions. It's just being fair. I believe the truth gets swept under the carpet when we insist on viewing everything in terms of absolutes and believing every action needs to be judged along ideological lines.

 

[GK4Herd]

THAT IS NOT TRUE AND HERE IS THE PROOF:
For 18 months, Republican strategists, political pundits, reporters and Americans who follow them have been pursuing Hillary Clinton’s personal email habits, and no evidence of a crime has been found. But now they at least have the skills and interest to focus on a much larger and deeper email conspiracy, one involving war, lies, a private server run by the Republican Party and contempt of Congress citations—all of it still unsolved and unpunished.

Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

I'm not even sure what point you're making. This much I know...if the roles were reversed and the very exact thing that Hillary has done was done by Cheney with Bush, you'd be nailing them both to a cross. There is absolutely nothing in your history that would convince me differently. You are so ideologically driven that I'd would bet my life to a dollar that if we could reverse this that you'd be taking the opposite stance that you are now. I would do so without fear and be looking over the value menu at the drive thru of McDonalds to see how I would spend the dollar.

 

[wisemaniac]

This is an entirely different point all together. I conceded EGs point on the wording because the truth of it is I really don't know whether they corresponded official business or not. But do I suspect they did? I think it's likely that sensitive material was exchanged. I just don't know that for certain.

Conceding that he has a point with how he presented it isn't endorsing Hillary's actions. It's just being fair. I believe the truth gets swept under the carpet when we insist on viewing everything in terms of absolutes and believing every action needs to be judged along ideological lines.

I'll be honest, I put EG on ignore a good while back. Every thread he jumped into he had to make it about himself & there was no point in watching the cycle play itself out over & over.

 

[extragreen]

Made both of us happy. ^^^^

 

[dherd]

I'm not even sure what point you're making. This much I know...if the roles were reversed and the very exact thing that Hillary has done was done by Cheney with Bush, you'd be nailing them both to a cross. There is absolutely nothing in your history that would convince me differently. You are so ideologically driven that I'd would bet my life to a dollar that if we could reverse this that you'd be taking the opposite stance that you are now. I would do so without fear and be looking over the value menu at the drive thru of McDonalds to see how I would spend the dollar.

my point is that cheney and bush did far worse and got a free pass. 99.9% of america does not even know that they
claimed to have lost 22,000,000 emails.dealing with the period the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons, a private server run by the Republican Party on which they routinely conducted govt business, they ignored congressional supoenas, contempt of Congress citations—all of it still unsolved and unpunished.

so the point is that we already have a comparable situation only one far worse committed by republicans which i bet you nor
anyone else on this board and 99.9% (i being the exception) of the country never knew about because they were given a pass by the press and obama admin.

 

[dherd]

2
“I was against going into the war in Iraq.”
SPEECH IN FLORIDA, SEPT. 19.
This is not getting any truer with repetition. He never publicly expressed opposition to the war before it began, and he made supportive remarks to Howard Stern.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

 

[herdfan429]

What a weird coincidence that the weekend prior to the debate that the Hillary campaign would hold a conf call with media discussing this l very topic and her campaign posted a document on their campaign site talking about trumps lies. Then low and behold there are articles in 4 different papers on this subject.

 

[wisemaniac]

What a weird coincidence that the weekend prior to the debate that the Hillary campaign would hold a conf call with media discussing this l very topic and her campaign posted a document on their campaign site talking about trumps lies. Then low and behold there are articles in 4 different papers on this subject.

NPR was saying Hillary's campaign has already given marching orders for supporters to jump online immediately after the debates & flood social media/message boards with messages stating how she easily beat Trump - which is kind of weird because the debates haven't even occurred yet.

 

[herdfan429]

NPR was saying Hillary's campaign has already given marching orders for supporters to jump online immediately after the debates & flood social media/message boards with messages stating how she easily beat Trump - which is kind of weird because the debates haven't even occurred yet.

It's amazing how the brightest most qualified presidential candidate ever in the history of the world needs this much help to beat te most racist vile human being god has ever created.
Now with said as long as trump stays on message and disciplined he won't really hurt himself. Hillary gets to coughing and it's game over. She has a lot more to lose than does trump

 

[andy4theherd]

Kaine has been plugging hard in interviews about how it is the moderators job to call Trump out since Lauer didn't. Oddly, a lot in the media have been saying that is BS it's Hillary's job to call him out.

I never thought her campaign would tank this hard so close to the end. I thought they had it in the bag. The entire group comes off like a bunch of angry crybabies just like her "WHY AM I NOT 50 POINTS AHEAD!!!" rant...

 

[dherd]

What a weird coincidence that the weekend prior to the debate that the Hillary campaign would hold a conf call with media discussing this l very topic and her campaign posted a document on their campaign site talking about trumps lies. Then low and behold there are articles in 4 different papers on this subject.

The New York Times closely tracked Mr. Trump’s public statements from Sept. 15-21, and assembled a list of his 31 biggest whoppers, many of them uttered repeatedly. This total excludes dozens more.
THESE LIES ARE ALL WITHIN ONE WEEK AND IT "EXCLUDES DOZENS MORE".
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

[andy4theherd]

why didn't they provide equal coverage and track Hillary's statements as well?

would be nice to have a running "whopper" board to see who's actually in the lead...

 

[wisemaniac]

Kaine has been plugging hard in interviews about how it is the moderators job to call Trump out since Lauer didn't. Oddly, a lot in the media have been saying that is BS it's Hillary's job to call him out.

I never thought her campaign would tank this hard so close to the end. I thought they had it in the bag. The entire group comes off like a bunch of angry crybabies just like her "WHY AM I NOT 50 POINTS AHEAD!!!" rant...

She is a garbage candidate & everyone knows it (even without the serious health issues & brain damage.) Besides having Wall Street, the establishment, college administrators, a rigged DNC election, a media that openly shows its bias, & a corrupt DoJ in her corner - she's outspending Trump at a fiscally irresponsible rate & they're neck & neck in the polls. There's even rumors her campaign is writing off Ohio. I'll give the DNC credit; if you're gonna be a garbage monkey, be a garbage gorilla.

They're panicking which is why they want Holt to crucify him & give Hillary a pass. They're actively trying to force a Candy Crowley situation.

For Hillary's sake I hope they ban flash photography. Don't need the old girl locking up mid-debate.

 

[dherd]

everyone know trump cannot win. these polls right now are cheap
news media polls designed to show the race close to keep up interest
and increase ratings.

watch what i tell you - just before the election they will all show clinton with
a big lead.

this is going to be a landslide. this country will never come close to electing
a con man like trump.

herdman has even gone silent on him.

 

[extragreen]

everyone know trump cannot win. these polls right now are cheap
news media polls designed to show the race close to keep up interest
and increase ratings.

watch what i tell you - just before the election they will all show clinton with
a big lead.

this is going to be a landslide. this country will never come close to electing
a con man like trump.

herdman has even gone silent on him.

Don't kid yourself. If Hillary doesn't put trump away in the debates, the unthinkable may very well come to pass.

 

[andy4theherd]

 

[wisemaniac]

View embedded media

I still can't believe she thought that panicked 50 points ahead video was a good idea. That was some Bob Shrum level campaign stupidity.

 

[Walden Pond]

looking over the value menu at the drive thru of McDonalds

That's where I'll be, because today I felt like buying a rich person's sandwich so I bought that $4.59 Artisan grilled chicken sandwich. Huge waste. Big fancy bun, fancy lettuce and tomato, dinky chicken patty.

Never again on that one. For $1.19 I could have gotten a McChicken with the same size patty, crispy breaded and left to dry out under the light instead of waiting twice as long and paying 4 times as much.

I would like to eat better food, but I'm not cooking and I'm not waiting. So keep heaping on the slop.