TV money.....
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The league will receive about $2.8 million in TV revenue in 2016-2017 from its four broadcast networks, according to documents The Virginian-Pilot obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
That's about $200,000 for each school, according to notes Old Dominion officials received during C-USA's spring meetings last month.
It represents a steep decline from from the $15.4 million, or about $1.1 million per school, to be distributed this year.
That's about $200,000 for each school, according to notes Old Dominion officials received during C-USA's spring meetings last month.
It represents a steep decline from from the $15.4 million, or about $1.1 million per school, to be distributed this year.
The article mentioned that the exit fees from the schools going to the AAC have been exhausted. Has anyone seen the specifics of how much of that money was distributed to us directly? If so, what did we use it for?
The Atlantic 10 is making more TV money per program than CUSA is now. The Atlantic 10 schools don't even have football.
I guess Bankowski decided to leave before the ship sank. I think we could get more money than that by doing our own negotiations. On the flip side if you want to justify killing your fan base and becoming conference fodder for the sake of money alone I guess you really can't argue with the Morgantown Institute of Arson move to the B12. As bad as its been on their fans players coaches it's been good fiscally.
When you throw in tier 3 etc it is around 40 mil. Definitely made the right move no matter how much mickey fufarri wanted to stay in the be. Cusa needs to be proactive, partner with the aac or something. It is bound to happen, may as well be the first conf to push for it.
My question to everyone who says we shouldn't bolt to the AAC now if the B12 takes UC and Memphis is, can we afford NOT to go if offered? AAC TV money has to be superior to this drop in the bucket we are left with ?
My last question is, DID Banowski see this coming and leave? Or is this a function of Banowkski leaving ?
It's 800,000.00 in revenue we have to make up, so beer should make up 300,000.00 of that, thus a 500,000.00 loss now. We are going to have to dig deeper folks.
My last question is, DID Banowski see this coming and leave? Or is this a function of Banowkski leaving ?
It's 800,000.00 in revenue we have to make up, so beer should make up 300,000.00 of that, thus a 500,000.00 loss now. We are going to have to dig deeper folks.
To be honest your season ticket sales are down 5 years in a row. The 2 am EST Cactus up your arse bowl is NOT exactly prime time viewing. I'd say your coach high fiving the opposing QB isn't a good sign he's worth 11 million dollars and it appears you spend like the govt, every dime in raises even if they aren't earned. I would have to ask, much like Hamrick how do you spend 87 million a year on 600 athletes and 50 coaches ?
Anyhow yep in Marshall terms this lack of revenue hurts. But then again eerbilly if your chicken sh:t asses are too scared to play us, why the hell do you show up here ? WHAT do you care?
Go home , break out the nair and get your legs ready for summer silly girls.
so correct me if i'm wrong...
the MAC/ESPN 13 year deal through 2026/27 is worth $8 mil per year (~$670k per team) AND every MAC game is available on ESPN3 as well as select games on the other ESPN networks...
the MAC schools are much closer than our current mates, and we actually have history with them...
i'm not saying we should go back to the MAC...
but we should go back to the MAC...
the MAC/ESPN 13 year deal through 2026/27 is worth $8 mil per year (~$670k per team) AND every MAC game is available on ESPN3 as well as select games on the other ESPN networks...
the MAC schools are much closer than our current mates, and we actually have history with them...
i'm not saying we should go back to the MAC...
but we should go back to the MAC...
You are hands down my favorite poster here. I mean that with respect.
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That should be the priority of the AD office. Ahead of everything else.
We all do but we just don't have the money. We have at least a $13-14 million shortfall in annual budget of the lowest budget in that league. Ok, we gain $1.5 million a year in TV. Where is the other $11 million coming form EVERY year?
so correct me if i'm wrong...
the MAC/ESPN 13 year deal through 2026/27 is worth $8 mil per year (~$670k per team) AND every MAC game is available on ESPN3 as well as select games on the other ESPN networks...
the MAC schools are much closer than our current mates, and we actually have history with them...
i'm not saying we should go back to the MAC...
but we should go back to the MAC...
cusa's old leadership gambled, signed a short term deal (or relatively speaking short term) thinking that tv revenues would continue to rise.
if any of the other g5 tv contracts were up this year, they'd all be looking at significantly less money in today's market. the mwc and aac tv contracts both expire within the next 5 years, if they both start negotiating renewals and find what we found in terms of what kind of money they can expect, that can be the final straw that breaks the p5/g5.
1 - CUSA exit fee is $7M. We do NOT have $7M.
2- This is a function of the death of the ESPN TV model. "Everybody" paid for ESPN and its imitators, even the MAJORITY that, given the choice, would forgo all sports channels. Now we are in the transition to a new model, where ESPN, et al, will not have all that cash to spend. CUSA just happened, bad luck, to be the first league up for bids. When the AAC and MAC come up for renewals, the story will be the same. Honestly, I do not see how the MAC rights are worth ANYTHING in this new model.
3 - The NCAA bent over and is leting the Big 2, Little 8 have a championship game, even though it only has 10 teams and plays a round robin. The only reason for the Big 2 to expand was to have a championship game (here is hopeing that Texas beats Oklahoma in the regular season and Oklahoma beats Texas in the championship game and they get left out again) so why would they expand now.
4 - Even if #3 is wrong, they ain't taking two FANLESS teams like Memphis and Cincinnati. These are classic AAC teams. IN a city, but IRRELEVANT in that city. The Big 12 will take BYU and then chose from among several applicants. My guess is UNLV.
Exactly, Herdmeister. The BIG push this season from Mike Hamrick and the Athletic Department is to attain a MODEST boost in Big Green membership from 3100 to 3300. If they struggle to attain such a reasonable goal, then it should be clear to anyone with a scintilla of gray matter between their ears that MU doesn't have access to an "easy" $11-12 million just laying around somewhere every year for athletics!!
Its pretty simple. Everyone down talked the MAC and in all regards it is a better fit for Marshall. We tried to be big shots and thought the CUSA was it but once schools started leaving it is the pits. MAC is stable, much, much less travel and also very easy for fans to travel to road games. Not to mention the lower cost for travel for the teams. CUSA is a joke. No respect from NCAA selections committee in any sport. A 1 bid league most years in Men's Basketball, terrible bowl games in Football, and lets don't even talk about the lack of respect for Baseball. Enough said. Time to beg the MAC to take us back!!!!
I take this as a fairly good indication that no one outside of C-USA's most ardent supporters believe in the "upside" of these just-add-water programs we let into our conference. ODU/Charlotte draws as many eyeballs as Fordham/William & Mary - just ask the ASN.
Pretty much, although I'm not sure there was a better alternative. Would Arkansas State or Louisiana Lafayette have helped our tv deal?
I still think ODU and Charlotte are going to be decent programs in the long-run but that's nothing more than my personal opinion at this point.
The point is the NCAA is changing the rules in the middle of the game. It said a conference just HAD to have at least 12 teams to have a championship game, until it said the exact opposite.
So, 10 teams. MU, LTU, MTSU, RU, USM, UTEP, UTSA, WKU, and either the two directional Floridas or cherry pick 2 from the Sun Belt or the MAC. Addition by subtraction.
As for all this MAC love, realtiy is that when we got to the MAC, it was playing a single ginned up "bowl game" which was more than a week earlier than all the others and paid (special NCAA exemption) was less than the "minimum" bowl payout. In Fresno. Usually against Fresno State. Everybody else stayed home. We elevated the MAC and moved on. When we left it was still mostly a "one bowl" deal, playing north of Canada before several.
Now we are in an era where every team that can win 6 games goes to a bowl. Why? Because ESPN pays for it. That would be the same ESPN that is rapidly cutting costs in every area. So we rejoin this MAC. And ESPN drops 10 or 12 bowls. And this whole "cost af attendence" idiocy causes half the MACers to realize they are 1-AA or II level colleges and they move down. And then the MAC's TV deal runs out and the new offer is zero. And then?
Stay the course.
I'm 100% against going back to the MAC - just for the record.
I do think we're too good for it. I know, I know - we lose to Ohio often. That's not the point.
I also don't want to ever be stuck playing these Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday night "MACtion" games just to provide ESPN with content
i agree that the MAC's TV deal will get decimated the next time around. but you are kidding yourself if you think it will be significantly (if any) below our deal. the only people on this planet that think the MAC is below CUSA reside on this message board and in the CUSA offices... each conference is made up of only a handful of schools that support their programs. we blast the MAC for their attendance and then play Rice for the CUSA Championship in front of 15,000 people. we have preached for the last couple of seasons that conference affiliation makes no difference. win all your games and go to the access bowl. slip-up and play another G5 in Boca. what does CUSA have going for it? EVERY team in the conference would bolt in a heartbeat given the opportunity. this conference has to be the most unstable in the country. the MAC is the MAC. they are established, know their place, and aren't going anywhere. if you could astronomically cut travel costs and still play for the same prize why would being in the MAC be so bad?
We are certainly in the shallow end of the pool, along with the MAC and Sun Belt, where I'm not sure there is any national perception of differentiation between these conferences. I have to think you're going to see similar TV money across the board, no matter where you're playing, unless you enter into a deal that plays all of your games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays when the other conferences are "off."
The last ten years I've been trying to figure out if the changing landscape of college football would be good or bad for Marshall. Seems like its been both, and more than either, its been weird.
The last ten years I've been trying to figure out if the changing landscape of college football would be good or bad for Marshall. Seems like its been both, and more than either, its been weird.
agree. we got shafted by adding teams to keep our championship game. as for the NCAA, they will do what they are told by the P5... and if not, the P5 will split.
I might be wrong, but I seem to recall that the exit fee was only $500k and the reason the defectors had to pay 7 million was to cover possible losses in tv revenue of the tv partners demanded to renegotiate.
So I think if we left today our exit fee would be $900k.
CUSA was doomed to have a bad contract. TV bubble has burst and the conference only has a few schools with any value.
Just cause we lose to Ohio doesnt mean they are better than us. They are our white whale.
CUSA still has some very good teams. Problem is we are very top heavy at the moment with the likes of Us, USM, WKU, La Tech. Everyone else is basically dog barf at the moment
Landon's take: http://www.herald-dispatch.com/spor...cle_5382d874-7c78-52a3-9862-234e0cbe0e29.html
he notes that the MAC schools will make $830k each (compared to the $200k CUSA deal). where does that figure come from. the article i read noted $670k per school. either way, MUCH more than CUSA... he also notes the only conference with a lower contract amount is the Sun Belt at $100k per school. so Sun Belt 2.0 is pretty accurate after all...
he notes that the MAC schools will make $830k each (compared to the $200k CUSA deal). where does that figure come from. the article i read noted $670k per school. either way, MUCH more than CUSA... he also notes the only conference with a lower contract amount is the Sun Belt at $100k per school. so Sun Belt 2.0 is pretty accurate after all...
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