U of Cincinnatti trying like hell to get out of the AAC
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We need to petition the AAC today , advise we are available to take their slot should Cincinnati become successful. Its not going to happen overnight but make the obvious even more obvious and get out of the glorified 1-AA C-USA. The AAC with the TV package would put football , basketball and baseball back on the national stage more than a few at best times a year as is the case with C-USA.
All one needs to do is look at the AAC lineup - its the exact grouping of schools we need to be aligned with.
We are not going to the SEC / ACC / Big 10 or Big 12 - the AAC is about as good as it can realistically get plus puts us back with teams we have a history with , Central Florida , East Carolina , Houston , Tulane , SMU , Memphis.
West Division
Houston
Memphis
Navy
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
East Division
Marshall
Connecticut
East Carolina
South Florida
Temple
Central Florida
Television
All one needs to do is look at the AAC lineup - its the exact grouping of schools we need to be aligned with.
We are not going to the SEC / ACC / Big 10 or Big 12 - the AAC is about as good as it can realistically get plus puts us back with teams we have a history with , Central Florida , East Carolina , Houston , Tulane , SMU , Memphis.
West Division
Houston
Memphis
Navy
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
East Division
Marshall
Connecticut
East Carolina
South Florida
Temple
Central Florida
Television
- ABC - broadcasts select football games.
- CBS broadcasts up to 12 appearances for men's and women's basketball games.
- CBSSN broadcasts football, men's and women's basketball, and baseball.
- ESPN broadcasts football, men's and women's basketball, across its networks (ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 , ESPNnews and ESPNU). ESPN broadcasts the men's and women's basketball tournament, and the football championship game.
- Fox Sports Ohio
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I trust that Hamrick is doing everything possible with the AAC that OP's article outlines that Cincinnati is doing for the Big 12. This stuff doesn't happen out in the open, and we only know about UC's detailed efforts because of the P5 implications. Nobody is going to do the same amount of journalistic review for what Marshall is doing to join the AAC IF Cincinnati leaves.
Name me one game that we can consistently travel too. Other than East Carolina (and I'm sure that they now realize their mistake), I could care less about the Yankee AAU. Cincinnati is slipping under Tuberville and also in basketball.
In time, the TV money for the AAC will come back down to C-USA's level. Besides, the whole communications sports industry is facing a major shake-up.
These new C-USA programs will eventually grow to our level. MTSU has the largest on-campus enrollment in TN and all their state high school championships are centered there, more so than in Knoxville. We are in equal or better metro areas than we were -- not competing so much with pro sports. And we are developing REAL rivals again, something that's been missing since we rightfully left the SoCon.
Besides, who is going to pay for these exorbitant entry and exit fees? If I'm not mistaken, Joan Edwards, God rest her benevolent soul, passed away...
If anything, I'm all for cutting one of our Texas legs out from under us (UTEP and UTSA belong in the Mountain West), and reconfiguring toward the Mid-Atlantic/Southeast.
Travel-wise, Cincinnati (an expanded Big 12 is their only option) and ECU would be smart to come back into C-USA. Let's face it -- Louisville has been the only big winner to emerge from the Group of 5.
In time, the TV money for the AAC will come back down to C-USA's level. Besides, the whole communications sports industry is facing a major shake-up.
These new C-USA programs will eventually grow to our level. MTSU has the largest on-campus enrollment in TN and all their state high school championships are centered there, more so than in Knoxville. We are in equal or better metro areas than we were -- not competing so much with pro sports. And we are developing REAL rivals again, something that's been missing since we rightfully left the SoCon.
Besides, who is going to pay for these exorbitant entry and exit fees? If I'm not mistaken, Joan Edwards, God rest her benevolent soul, passed away...
If anything, I'm all for cutting one of our Texas legs out from under us (UTEP and UTSA belong in the Mountain West), and reconfiguring toward the Mid-Atlantic/Southeast.
Travel-wise, Cincinnati (an expanded Big 12 is their only option) and ECU would be smart to come back into C-USA. Let's face it -- Louisville has been the only big winner to emerge from the Group of 5.
A post of 100% reason, logic, and common sense.
Cincinnati is not being put in the Big 2,Little 8. The biggest priority for the Big 2 is get things "right" by doing what the league was designed to be, which is settled between Texas and Oklahoma 9 years out of 10. The lowest priority is getting two more mouths to feed by making it a Little 10. ESPECIALLY a totally fanless team like Cincy, which GIVES away tickets to home games.
If, and it isn't, this THE AMERICAN!!!!!!! non thing expands, we should tell Arseco and ESPN to go get bent. It is a lateral transfer. A non event. Except is costs us $7M we don't have. To trade one G5 conference for another, equal in every way that matters.
Wow , wait ( seems like that is all that Marshall and Huntington do and have done for the last umpteen years) for C-USA's 1-AA programs to grow , wait on ECU to come back to C-USA ( ECU is going forward not backwards).
Noted in the posters post are issues with Cincy's hoops and football , if these programs were so poor why per the article is Cincy ( along with BYU) one of the leading candidates for admission to the Big 12? Appears the higher ups with the Big 12 do not share the same feeling as the poster.
No we can wait ( and as noted by another poster we do not know all the ins and outs behind the scenes with regarding what Hamrick may or may not be doing) we can wait and be left at the alter again.
Travel ? , nothing worse than what we are doing at the present - Florida , Texas (passing the border of New Mexico and practically into Arizona(UTEP), North Carolina. So we still go to Florida , Texas , North Carolina but add Pennsylvania ( easy drive for sure) Tennessee and back to Louisiana ( which we did for years) , the only one out of wack is going to Connecticut.
Waiting for lord only knows what is why we as well as the area are in the predicament it / we are. Additionally we do not need to tell ESPN to go get bent as we are not even in the picture with ESPN...we have the grand network from Florida that gets us nowhere fast.
Get back to a conference that people recognize the names of the member schools as well as realize its Division 1 football and not 1-AA..move to a conference that televises games on the major network.
Not trying to argue , not trying to belittle anyone , just stating my humble opinion regarding the matter at hand and I am sure if there is a viable way for us to move it will be seriously considered..just can not see waiting on C-USA to grow up.
Noted in the posters post are issues with Cincy's hoops and football , if these programs were so poor why per the article is Cincy ( along with BYU) one of the leading candidates for admission to the Big 12? Appears the higher ups with the Big 12 do not share the same feeling as the poster.
No we can wait ( and as noted by another poster we do not know all the ins and outs behind the scenes with regarding what Hamrick may or may not be doing) we can wait and be left at the alter again.
Travel ? , nothing worse than what we are doing at the present - Florida , Texas (passing the border of New Mexico and practically into Arizona(UTEP), North Carolina. So we still go to Florida , Texas , North Carolina but add Pennsylvania ( easy drive for sure) Tennessee and back to Louisiana ( which we did for years) , the only one out of wack is going to Connecticut.
Waiting for lord only knows what is why we as well as the area are in the predicament it / we are. Additionally we do not need to tell ESPN to go get bent as we are not even in the picture with ESPN...we have the grand network from Florida that gets us nowhere fast.
Get back to a conference that people recognize the names of the member schools as well as realize its Division 1 football and not 1-AA..move to a conference that televises games on the major network.
Not trying to argue , not trying to belittle anyone , just stating my humble opinion regarding the matter at hand and I am sure if there is a viable way for us to move it will be seriously considered..just can not see waiting on C-USA to grow up.
I think the Big 12 should add Cinci and get to a playoff size conference.
I'd love to see us in the AAC, but we would be bottom of the bunch in terms of budget but, not overall facilities. That IAF even rivals any P5 schools.
Still I doubt anyone takes us, we lack a full service hotel worth allowing away teams to stay in, and no baseball field. I just don't see the City of Huntington getting those two items done.
I'd say if I'm the B12 I take a hard look at SMU and Houston too if I want to get to playoff status. This would help lower tier west Va. u giving them beatable opponents,
I'd love to see us in the AAC, but we would be bottom of the bunch in terms of budget but, not overall facilities. That IAF even rivals any P5 schools.
Still I doubt anyone takes us, we lack a full service hotel worth allowing away teams to stay in, and no baseball field. I just don't see the City of Huntington getting those two items done.
I'd say if I'm the B12 I take a hard look at SMU and Houston too if I want to get to playoff status. This would help lower tier west Va. u giving them beatable opponents,
Most of you won't like this, but here is what I think should happen (of course it won't). Nebraska and WVU trade leagues, Cincinnati and BYU to the Big 12; AAC and C-USA divide theirselves up according to reasonable geographic scenarios and move forward.
This would end all the P5/G5 crap. We'd all know where we stand. The G5 would still have one team in the Access game, and the competition among G5's could get better by a pack to play each other within geographics for OOC games....best competitive rivals outside eachother's conferences.
It is what it is, the developmental league and college football. We're always going to be in the college football category, so let's make the best of it we can by playing regional rivalries that fans of both teams can enjoy, and get rid of the false hope that 27M$ can compete against 97M$.
This would end all the P5/G5 crap. We'd all know where we stand. The G5 would still have one team in the Access game, and the competition among G5's could get better by a pack to play each other within geographics for OOC games....best competitive rivals outside eachother's conferences.
It is what it is, the developmental league and college football. We're always going to be in the college football category, so let's make the best of it we can by playing regional rivalries that fans of both teams can enjoy, and get rid of the false hope that 27M$ can compete against 97M$.
As for the TV money and exposure, it just so happens that C-USA is the first G-5 conference up for renegotiation. The industry is struggling and things aren't what they once were. When the time comes, the AAC schools will get their nuts cut too.
Marshall 77, we now have four (five, counting an annual MAC) road games that we can drive to. Before only one --East Carolina, and it was a stretch. Still would have to go to Texas in the AAC.
And would you rather go to coastal Florida or to see Mickey Mouse? Also, I've personally enjoyed the three bowl games I've attended in Florida.
Marshall 77, we now have four (five, counting an annual MAC) road games that we can drive to. Before only one --East Carolina, and it was a stretch. Still would have to go to Texas in the AAC.
And would you rather go to coastal Florida or to see Mickey Mouse? Also, I've personally enjoyed the three bowl games I've attended in Florida.
I think you are correct. Who doesn't want to play at the highest level? I know I do. However we are limited with money. For goodness sakes we don't even have a baseball stadium.
Good point Ohio Herd - regarding the baseball stadium. One thing that really gets me about the lack of a baseball stadium is the fact of the history of baseball in Huntington. Once was the day it was played like there was no tomorrow , peewee , little league , Babe Ruth , High School , College , Minor league, American Legion and semi pro to a degree..softball leagues all over the place ( still ball) then time took away some of the ball parks ( anyone remember the one at Owens Illinois?) , amazing that for a town where baseball was once a huge past time that Marshall in 2016 is still without a baseball stadium.
Regardless , if we have an opportunity to move , take it , we can not wait on C-USA to "grow up".
Regardless , if we have an opportunity to move , take it , we can not wait on C-USA to "grow up".
whf2, Hell would have to freeze over or WVU president Gee would have to acquire integrity, before the schools in the Big 10 would ever agree to an association with WVU. And in the first scenario, I am betting on frostbite on Satan's rear end first!!
Kind of why I said it would never happen, but still believe it work be great move for each league. Nebraska not leaving big ten to go back to big 12 either.
Allowing the Big XII to have a CCG is BS in my eyes. They already have a round Robin schedule. They should have either been forced to add another OOC game or add 2 more teams to make 12
Speaking of baseball, Huntington was the 1960 Babe Ruth World Series champion. Even St. Cloud's (where Marshall also played) was special, what with the rookie Appalachian League Cubs (the Wrigley Field groundskeeper landscaped it!) and the old black man that cooked the BBQ. Jean Dean wouldn't spend $200,000 on a clubhouse and major league lighting to keep the franchise. A whole history of "what ifs" -- even worse than basketball.
St Clouds...if the Cubs had stayed there, half of Huntington's baseball fans would have West Nile Virus. I have never been attacked by mosquitos like I was when I worked for the Cubs.
