UCF has lost their mind!

[ohio herd]

Come on boys, I mean if your 13-0 season makes you National Champs I know of another 13-0 team that could say the same. Except we are not delusional.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...cf-knights-raise-national-championship-banner

But coming from a school that is in a conference that thinks it is a P6 when their are only 5 what would you expect!

 

[marshallisqbu]

Why not do it? I would have done it the year we went 13-0

 

[Sean Hammond]

Why not do it? I would have done it the year we went 13-0

We should hang one still. Do it for the NC St game this year. F it. Whatcha gonna do about it, NCAA?

If it’s gonna be a joke, let’s all have a laugh.

 

[JC102]

Nothing about it is a joke. The selection committee arbitrarily ranked UCF lower so they wouldn't have to deal with the G5 debate. You can't claim to have a legitimate playoff system for a "national championship" and not allow an undefeated team to have the opportunity to compete for it. Until more teams and fans start standing up for this and the G5 in general nothing will ever change. Every Marshall fan should be on the side of UCF.

 

[HerdFan76]

UCF has a half legitimate claim, I don't blame them a bit. The craziest thing about that link is Paul Finebaum saying he's always for the underdog.

 

[Sean Hammond]

Nothing about it is a joke. The selection committee arbitrarily ranked UCF lower so they wouldn't have to deal with the G5 debate. You can't claim to have a legitimate playoff system for a "national championship" and not allow an undefeated team to have the opportunity to compete for it. Until more teams and fans start standing up for this and the G5 in general nothing will ever change. Every Marshall fan should be on the side of UCF.

I didn’t mean y’all doing it as a joke. I meant the NCAA being a joke. Why can’t the G5 have a laugh?

In 2014, we were ranked lower than Boise State when we were undefeated because they wanted Boise in the New Years Day Bowl over us. The whole system is an f’ing joke. If I were y’all, I’d put “2017 National Champs” on your midfield logo, endzones, basketball court, etc. I love it haha

 

[Shark19]

Come on boys, I mean if your 13-0 season makes you National Champs I know of another 13-0 team that could say the same. Except we are not delusional.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...cf-knights-raise-national-championship-banner

But coming from a school that is in a conference that thinks it is a P6 when their are only 5 what would you expect!

OK, what were the circumstances behind your 13-0 season?

How many Top 25 wins did you have? UCF had 4
How many Top 10? UCF had 1
Were there other undefeated teams that year? This year, UCF was alone
Did the team you beat in your major bowl game have victories over the two Top 2 teams? UCF did

We WANT to support other G5 programs. The Dr Pepper plastic trophy game is a sham...how does Alabama get in when they were the 3rd or 4th best team in their conference?

 

[JC102]

I didn’t mean y’all doing it as a joke. I meant the NCAA being a joke. Why can’t the G5 have a laugh?

In 2014, we were ranked lower than Boise State when we were undefeated because they wanted Boise in the New Years Day Bowl over us. The whole system is an f’ing joke. If I were y’all, I’d put “2017 National Champs” on your midfield logo, endzones, basketball court, etc. I love it haha

I'm only a Marshall fan.. but yeah agree.

 

[Shark19]

UCF has a half legitimate claim, I don't blame them a bit. The craziest thing about that link is Paul Finebaum saying he's always for the underdog.

Thanks for the support....and Finebaum is only for an SEC underdog.

 

[ohio herd]

OK, what were the circumstances behind your 13-0 season?

How many Top 25 wins did you have? UCF had 4
How many Top 10? UCF had 1
Were there other undefeated teams that year? This year, UCF was alone
Did the team you beat in your major bowl game have victories over the two Top 2 teams? UCF did

We WANT to support other G5 programs. The Dr Pepper plastic trophy game is a sham...how does Alabama get in when they were the 3rd or 4th best team in their conference?

OMG first of all I clearly said our 13-0 season did not merit being #1.We ended ranked #10 which was fair IMO.I mean do you really think you could go undefeated or even one loss in the SEC? Congrats on a great season and big win. You are really delusional if you think you could have made the top 4 playing an SEC/ Big 10 schedule.

 

[JC102]

Whether or not they could make the top 4 in the SEC/Big 10 is beside the point. The point is they are a Div I team that ran the table, checked off plenty of prerequisites to make the playoffs, yet were denied a chance to earn a championship because of an arbitrary ranking process skewed to benefit the P5. Why shouldn't they have an opportunity to earn their championship on the field like any other NCAA championship sport has the opportunity to do.

 

[Sean Hammond]

OMG first of all I clearly said our 13-0 season did not merit being #1.We ended ranked #10 which was fair IMO.I mean do you really think you could go undefeated or even one loss in the SEC? Congrats on a great season and big win. You are really delusional if you think you could have made the top 4 playing an SEC/ Big 10 schedule.

6-6 FSU at Neutral site
10-4 Fresno HOME
7-6 Colorado St HOME
@5-7 Vandy
6-6 Ole Miss HOME
@7-6 Texas A&M
4-8 Arkansas HOME
4-8 Tennessee HOME
Bye
9-4 LSU HOME
@9-4 Miss St
Mercer HOME
@10-4 Auburn

You really think that’s an impossible schedule?

 

[oldeherd]

Hell, Marshall fans, and fans of other G5 schools, should give the UCF Athletic Director and other top administrators credit for thinking outside the box!! Unfortunately, at MU, Hamrick can't even find the damn box!!!

 

[ohio herd]

6-6 FSU at Neutral site
10-4 Fresno HOME
7-6 Colorado St HOME
@5-7 Vandy
6-6 Ole Miss HOME
@7-6 Texas A&M
4-8 Arkansas HOME
4-8 Tennessee HOME
Bye
9-4 LSU HOME
@9-4 Miss St
Mercer HOME
@10-4 Auburn

You really think that’s an impossible schedule?

yes,the week in and week out would be the difference.There would be no easy weeks. Every week they would have to play at an optimal level against every one of those teams except Mercer. So turn it around. How well do you think Alabama or Ohio State would do with their schedule?

 

[Sean Hammond]

yes,the week in and week out would be the difference.There would be no easy weeks. Every week they would have to play at an optimal level against every one of those teams except Mercer. So turn it around. How well do you think Alabama or Ohio State would do with their schedule?

Week in and week out against who?!

Playing only 4/12 games on the road and playing only 6/12 games vs team with a winning record (2 of those being vs G5 teams) must be something too tough for me to comprehend.

 

[Shark19]

OMG first of all I clearly said our 13-0 season did not merit being #1.We ended ranked #10 which was fair IMO.I mean do you really think you could go undefeated or even one loss in the SEC? Congrats on a great season and big win. You are really delusional if you think you could have made the top 4 playing an SEC/ Big 10 schedule.

Even though you never said it, a couple of other posters were like "sure why not", so I was curious about the details, as we feel we were jobbed 4 years ago when we ended up 10th, despite 2 top ten wins and the Fiesta Bowl win. Our only loss that year was by 3 points to the team that finished 4th that year.

If the 2017 UCF had SEC resources, who knows what would have happened? UCF beat the only 2 P5 schools on the re-scheduled season, one away and one on a neutral field. So if you think we are delusional for claiming a share of the National Championship, so be it.

 

[Shark19]

There would be no easy weeks.

Sure there was, Alabama has 2-3 off weeks while UCF had to play 11 weeks in a row just to get in 11 regular season games. Alabama didn't even have the wear and tear of being in a conference championship game....because they weren't good enough.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Paid their coaches (all of whom are leaving) national championship bonuses outlined in contract.

 

[HerdFan76]

UCF and USF would have made noise in any P5 this year. UCF in 2017 is the perfect argument for G5 inclusion, and that's before the Auburn game.

 

[Sean Hammond]

Sure there was, Alabama has 2-3 off weeks while UCF had to play 11 weeks in a row just to get in 11 regular season games. Alabama didn't even have the wear and tear of being in a conference championship game....because they weren't good enough.

Wouldn’t it be nice to only play in 4 away stadiums all season? Man, that week in and week out shit ESPN blows up my ass must be really rough.

 

[Shark19]

Wouldn’t it be nice to only play in 4 away stadiums all season? Man, that week in and week out shit ESPN blows up my ass must be really rough.

Yeah, no kidding right?

 

[Rock98Dog]

All this season shows is that no non-P5 will ever make the playoff. Frost is correct that the system is set so that the committee can just keep a deserving G5 low enough to be out of the conversation of final four, or even final 8 if it moves that way. They took the computers out of the equation for a reason and that reason wasn't fairness.

The argument is always going to be SOS and it will always be one that the G5 loses because, at a minimum, they are going to play 8 G5 opponents a year and a P5, at a maximum, is going to play 4. In the committee's view every win over a P5 is superior to any win over a G5 and honestly most G5 fans reinforce that opinion. We are all happy to beat a bottom half P5 and slump off a win against a 7-5 G5 as expected.

That's demonstrated even by the UCF fan in this thread, diminishing the 1999 Herd team because "they didn't play anybody" so don't deserve the same recognition as his 2017 UCF team. Of course he hasn't done any research on that team, just a general assumption because the P5 wins don't jump off the page.

 

[jocktalker]

G5 schools signed off on the College Football Playoff System at the outset so there's no point in bitching about it now.

 

[Marine03]

OMG first of all I clearly said our 13-0 season did not merit being #1.We ended ranked #10 which was fair IMO.I mean do you really think you could go undefeated or even one loss in the SEC? Congrats on a great season and big win. You are really delusional if you think you could have made the top 4 playing an SEC/ Big 10 schedule.

Spoken just like a committee member, how do you know what they’d do in the SEC this season? New flash genius, you don’t have to go undefeated in the SEC to get in. And to be fair to UCF they beat a team who beat the final 2 remaining in the playoff.

 

[AllEers6]

Come on boys, I mean if your 13-0 season makes you National Champs I know of another 13-0 team that could say the same. Except we are not delusional.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...cf-knights-raise-national-championship-banner

But coming from a school that is in a conference that thinks it is a P6 when their are only 5 what would you expect!

This is a huge story and its not getting the attention it should. As a non P5 school UCF needs support because they are helping to bust up the good ole boy elite system

 

[Shark19]

G5 schools signed off on the College Football Playoff System at the outset so there's no point in bitching about it now.

I'll repeat my quote from the other thread:

I'm pretty sure the G5 schools were misled by the level of exclusion from the "playoff". No group of schools in their right mind would agree to that.

 

[Shark19]

That's demonstrated even by the UCF fan in this thread, diminishing the 1999 Herd team because "they didn't play anybody" so don't deserve the same recognition as his 2017 UCF team. Of course he hasn't done any research on that team, just a general assumption because the P5 wins don't jump off the page.

Whoa, hang on....I only asked for the details because I am ignorant on the subject (like so many others, sucks to be stupid), so please don't think I was diminishing anyone's accomplishments, I have NO idea who you played or anything else....especially in the late 90s - early 2000s, as that was the dark ages of UCF football and I didn't pay much attention to the college game at all.

 

[WV_Celt]

Their claim to a NC is about as legit as all of the banners Pitt likes to hang. Or any other team that was awarded it.

 

[The Real SamC]

Reality therapy:

- UCF had a nice year. One of the best G5 years. But by spewing idiocy the conversation has turned from talking about a nice year to forcing people to point out how inferior it and its conference are to the true majors.

- The AAC, along with everybody else, signed off on the current system. In return for a lot of money. UCF is not the "national champion" nor is there such a thing as P6. The playoff administration should withhold payments to the AAC until it complies with its contract.

- In the bottom P5 conference, the Big 12, UCF would go about 9-3 this year. Which is solid and a accomplishment.

- Bowl results are the most over-rated thing in the world. There are like 30 teams out there that live off the "we beat Oklahoma" meme, based on some bowl win some year. Because Oklahoma never shows up in a bowl unless it is for the national championship. Not for decades. Same can be said for lots of schools. True major programs often just phone it in if they have had an underachieving season.

- List of UCF players who grew up dreaming of playing for UCF: (end of list). List of UCF players good enough to play where they really wanted to: (end of list). And that is fine. Same can be said of Marshall, or about any but 15 or so schools. Do not embarass yourself by saying otherwise.

- The reaction in Orlando? Yawn. Because like every other school in that random collection of schools, it is not even the most popular team in its own town.

 

[Herd Fever]

Do you live in Orlando?

 

[Herd Fever]

And ill say this, UCF routinely signs kids that have legit offers from ACC and SEC schools.

As one of the Top 4 teams in Florida, they have access to medium to top level talent in Florida.

 

[JC102]

Reality therapy:

- UCF had a nice year. One of the best G5 years. But by spewing idiocy the conversation has turned from talking about a nice year to forcing people to point out how inferior it and its conference are to the true majors.

- The AAC, along with everybody else, signed off on the current system. In return for a lot of money. UCF is not the "national champion" nor is there such a thing as P6. The playoff administration should withhold payments to the AAC until it complies with its contract.

- In the bottom P5 conference, the Big 12, UCF would go about 9-3 this year. Which is solid and a accomplishment.

- Bowl results are the most over-rated thing in the world. There are like 30 teams out there that live off the "we beat Oklahoma" meme, based on some bowl win some year. Because Oklahoma never shows up in a bowl unless it is for the national championship. Not for decades. Same can be said for lots of schools. True major programs often just phone it in if they have had an underachieving season.

- List of UCF players who grew up dreaming of playing for UCF: (end of list). List of UCF players good enough to play where they really wanted to: (end of list). And that is fine. Same can be said of Marshall, or about any but 15 or so schools. Do not embarass yourself by saying otherwise.

- The reaction in Orlando? Yawn. Because like every other school in that random collection of schools, it is not even the most popular team in its own town.

Wow. Hot take.

 

[herdalicious]

College football isn't a legitimate competition the way a professional sports league would be, and I don't know that it ever was or will be. The NCAA allows G5 teams to claim that they are part of the real Division I-A (P5) even though they aren't, but at the same time it opens the door for schools like UCF to claim to be the undisputed champs of P5 while only playing two games against teams from that division.

College football fandom is one of the most illogical concepts known to mankind - worse than Dippin' Dots. We love to talk in absolutes, taking the results of games all the way down to the rushing yardage differential to explain how they unequivocally determine one team's quality over another (and usually in a way that favors our personal biases). UCF's argument displays this dynamic perfectly - true, they did beat the team that beat both CFP finalists, but their biggest win also came against a team that lost to Georgia.

Competition is elastic - half of a game's outcome is determined by the actions of each respective team. Smug fans call it "playing to the level of their competition," because it dismisses the performance of the weaker team, but the truth is you don't know the dynamic of a match-up until somebody kicks a football in the air and they play. Even within that, sometimes it goes your way (Auburn wins!), sometimes it goes the other (Georgia wins!).

If the NCAA wanted a legitimate competition (don't worry, they don't) it would be four conferences, eight divisions, 12 games all inter-divisional (no FCS or G5 games), and the conference championships are the first round of what is, ostensibly, an eight-team playoff. No more arguing about the effect of pre-season rankings or cupcake scheduling, no more situations where 9/12 teams in a P5 go to a bowl - just a real, solid competition. But they don't want that, and chances are, neither do college football fans.

 

[jocktalker]

I'll repeat my quote from the other thread:

I'm pretty sure the G5 schools were misled by the level of exclusion from the "playoff". No group of schools in their right mind would agree to that.

I don't think G5 schools were misled about anything. As I recall, G5 schools were afraid that the P5 would break away and form a new collegiate association. The current playoff structure gives G5 schools exposure, one big bowl payday and an opportunity to be included as a member of Division I football.

 

[The Real SamC]

I don't think G5 schools were misled about anything. As I recall, G5 schools were afraid that the P5 would break away and form a new collegiate association. The current playoff structure gives G5 schools exposure, one big bowl payday and an opportunity to be included as a member of Division I football.

Wow. You and I are in agreement. Exactly correct.

 

[ohio herd]

I would like to point out a couple of things here. First the P5 system fits my definition of collusion. It is the only sport and only division that the NCAA does not sponsor a football championship . Every other division has an NCAA sponsored playoff and championship. The monetary value of the new four team playoff is in excess of 600 million per year, and is owned jointly by all FBS conferences. The 65 P5 schools take home 75% of the money. I am aware that the G5 agreed to this arrangement I am not sure what else they could have done.
The P5 schools have no desire to share more of the revenue than they already control. Thus that creates the UCF issue. I believe that the 1984 title by BYU caused the football elites to figure out how to keep that from happening again. BYU had a very similar season to what UCF had this year. They beat Pitt in week 2. At that time Pitt was still Pitt but that season the wheels fell off and never recovered. Pitt ended the season at 3-7-1. They beat a Baylor team that ended 5-6 as well. Their big win came in a bowl against Michigan a team that ended 8-4.Thus a team from a lesser conference snuck in the back door a won a NC, while beating up a weak schedule. Unlike BYU which had strong support in the polls in the 84 season, UCF did not have the needed amount of support to make the playoff this year. Since many of you love Sagrin here is where UCF is currently. They are ranked 13 with a SOS of 72. I believe they should be higher. The P5 powers know that if BYU can happen once it can happen twice. Thus they work hard at keeping the UCF's out. The only way any G5 is going to crack the mold is to run the table and beat 2-3 P5 schools OOC who end up having a good year. Then and only then will they have a slight chance.In conclusion, I agree with many of you the only way to stop this monopoly is to create a playoff that makes it possible for a UCF to make it. When you limit it to 4 teams it is always going to be difficult to convince the majority of sportswriters and fans nationwide that a school that has one big win in a bowl game is better than several 1-2 loss teams that have played a way more difficult schedule. (Sagrin has Memphis at 31 and S. Fl at 41).

 

[RhinoD]

We weren't national champions and UCF isn't either... Those guys are just big enough pricks to whine about it more/louder than we did.

In reality what every fan of a school outside the P5 needs to start trumpeting is an 8-team playoff when the current TV deal ends in 2020. Also, and this is important, that 8-team playoff needs to be structured as follows...

SEC Champ, ACC Champ, Big 12 Champ, Big10 Champ, Pac12 Champ, Highest ranked G5 team, two at-large teams.

This year that format would look like –

1. Clemson
8. UCF

4. Alabama
5. Ohio State

3. Georgia
6. Wisconsin

2. Oklahoma
7. USC

A. How much fun would that be to watch as a football fan.
B. All the P5 champs get in.
C. For the first time ever, each of the 130 teams in FBS would have at least an outside shot to start the season.

 

[pdbailey]

G5 schools signed off on the College Football Playoff System at the outset so there's no point in bitching about it now.

It was more like they were forced to sign off or getting nothing. As there was a threat from the P5 to lock the G5 out of major bowls completely. We had to accept the tiny bone thrown our way or get nothing. I still think it should be a 12 team playoff with all conference champions getting in along with 2 at-large schools, but the logistics of it are difficult with conferences being so large that championship games are required and then there would still be a minimum of 3 additional playoff games. 8 teams with all P5 champions getting a bid, the Top G5, and 2 at-large bids may be the best scenario that we get.

 

[The Real SamC]

I have heard a lot of talking heads advocating for an 8 team playoff, and it has SOME merit, as long as it does not go further, and as long as it ends in early January. Basketball deserves a time to itself before the tournament. Having all the P5 champions in plus the top G5 and two wild cards makes the conference championship worth something.

The issues are, of course, this has to be three weeks of neutral site games, with regular working weeks and Christmas to take in. Tickets might not be the hottest item. There is no way you can play this as home games, considering the rapidly declining weather in the north in December. And then there is the fact that the G5 team is always going to be #8 and is always going to get assreamed by #1. I don't know that the G5 is not better off getting a shot at an unmotivated also-ran in a name bowl over that, year after year.

 

[RhinoD]

It was more like they were forced to sign off or getting nothing. As there was a threat from the P5 to lock the G5 out of major bowls completely. We had to accept the tiny bone thrown our way or get nothing. I still think it should be a 12 team playoff with all conference champions getting in along with 2 at-large schools, but the logistics of it are difficult with conferences being so large that championship games are required and then there would still be a minimum of 3 additional playoff games. 8 teams with all P5 champions getting a bid, the Top G5, and 2 at-large bids may be the best scenario that we get.

The 12 champs getting in may sound good in theory, but its not practical... Most years (all years actually) there are multiple G5 leagues that don't deserve to be in the playoff. Nobody wants to add another round to watch Troy, FAU and Toledo get absolutely demolished by a legit-top 5 opponent. The best we will ever get is 8 teams, hopefully with one G5 team in the mix.