Want to see bad coaching
- Thread starter Herd Fever
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That call on the trick play was not needed. They just needed to keep marching in to the end zone and chew up the clock. They were in control and the pass should have never been thrown.
For sure. The Go Navy post is the most positive thing to come from you on here. You might even be a fan of Navy.
When you have lost ( now 14 consecutive times) you might try anything short of the old statue of liberty play.
As a NAVY vet...great day and the streak continues...will be interesting to see what develops over the next couple of years as Army has a kid that may become a really good QB..that and the Navy coach may end up at BYU by years end.
As a NAVY vet...great day and the streak continues...will be interesting to see what develops over the next couple of years as Army has a kid that may become a really good QB..that and the Navy coach may end up at BYU by years end.
I agree. That play call was horrible. They still had plenty of time. I feel for the cadets......nah.....GO NAVY!
Monken's half time adjustments were to leave the play book in the locker room, and totally brain fart.
The biggest playbook Army needs to learn is to change your athletic department over to a 501C non profit like Navy. That way you can raise more private money and hire better coaches(like Paul Johsnon and the current Nay Coach) and you can do $70 million stadium renovations and so on. You can get around the federal public institution handcuff and red tape. Let's you join a high mid major conference. That attracts better players, coaches, etc. Also, Army, like Navy, needs to consider relaxing standards such as the military obligation after they are done at the school. That attracts better players who know if they get a pro contract they have some way around it. Oh, and Army needs to relax the 5 year commitment. Not much Army can do about telling mom's, dad's, and recruits that as a West Pointer you are likely to be in the infantry, armor, cavalry, and field artillery. No likely to be a biochemist or get a plush desk job in Sand Diego for a few years. Not going to get to be a David Robinson or Napolean MCallum. It takes a special smart person that is driven to understand that being appointed an infantry platoon leader is a high honor. That's just the job they sign up to do and Army likes West Pointers in those roles. You are going to be a dirty muddy boot on the ground for awhile.
I think Army football is at a crossroads. They either need to align themselves with the Ivy League(or play at that level) and forget trying to compete at the high to mid level IA football or do what Navy did so they can compete. This isn't 1955 anymore. Recruiting and coaching is a whole different game now. Or, stay true to their mission which is to make military officers and not field a Top 20 football team. Either way works, but Army has a decision to make. It can't compete at that level doing what they have done for 100 years.
I think Army football is at a crossroads. They either need to align themselves with the Ivy League(or play at that level) and forget trying to compete at the high to mid level IA football or do what Navy did so they can compete. This isn't 1955 anymore. Recruiting and coaching is a whole different game now. Or, stay true to their mission which is to make military officers and not field a Top 20 football team. Either way works, but Army has a decision to make. It can't compete at that level doing what they have done for 100 years.
In other words when ARMY decides they want to get better at something they need to pattern themselves after the NAVY and the USMC. Been telling you that herdman
Army can compete right now. Several of the games have been very close. Where do you get your information concerning Navy relaxing their service obligation? That is done by statute and rule and neither academy has much discretion in doing so. Last year you said Navy had relaxed its academic standards which was proven to be BS. Army is out of excuses...... 
Army can compete right now. Several of the games have been very close. Where do you get your information concerning Navy relaxing their service obligation? That is done by statute and rule and neither academy has much discretion in doing so. Last year you said Navy had relaxed its academic standards which was proven to be BS. Army is out of excuses......
Google it up no hard to find...not saying what Navy has done is wrong. They just made changes and they did have a professor come out and said the athletes were treated differently. Who knows if that is correct. Like I said, Navy can now recruit athletes to compete in the AAC(that meet their standard of course). Also, the way they can now fund their program has changed and they can take advantage of it. Look up why the Army vs Navy game was in limbo during the budget/ govt shutdown a year ago. Army was not going to be aloud to travel to the game as it was non essential travel. Why? Because they are still funded federally instead of through a non profit arm. Smart on Navy's part. They would have never been able to move to the AAC without it. How do you think they spent 64 million upgrading their stadium? Not because the DOD is getting extra money to that kind of thing now.
They have historically been more lenient on their service obligation for pro athletes. That helps in recruiting as well.
Like I said as well. Army can decide what they want to do. Stay at the level they are now or make the same changes. Again, not hard to find. Also, Army assigns officers based on the needs of the Army. Not, you are going to be in San Diego and can play for the Raiders.
Army can compete right now. Several of the games have been very close. Where do you get your information concerning Navy relaxing their service obligation? That is done by statute and rule and neither academy has much discretion in doing so. Last year you said Navy had relaxed its academic standards which was proven to be BS. Army is out of excuses......
Losing close games in not competing, winning games is competing. Army sucks ass when it comes to football and should seriously think about dropping down and joining the Patroit or IVY league
That or do what Navy did so they can compete better. From what I read, they have some that want to do that and some that want to change their athletic dept. It is an old institution that has produced folks like Omar Bradley, Patton, McCarthur, Powell, and Swartzkopf. Traditions and their mission and the way they carry it out don't change over night.
At the end of the day, I understand as football for them is secondary to everything else. I think they are at a crossroads of where to go with it.
saw on twitter a guy debating it, he basically said the main reason army can't compete with afa and navy is basically they're recruiting from the same pool of potential student athletes. you can go to afa or navy and spend your active duty obligation at a base far away from the front lines or you can go to army and likely be in the thick of things for your active duty obligation.
Says the poster who obviously has never played a minute of competitive sports in his/her life. I couldn't disagree more with this opinion. Competing and being competitive are two different things friend.
That is a reason, maybe a smaller reason than the other things mentioned. Most West Pointers are headed to a line platoon. But, the funding, conference affiliation etc. is a bigger reason.
sure there are plenty of things involved, but again this reporter on twitter was laying it out this weekend, after speaking to coaches involved at all the academies and others that follow them the top reason is that there are very, very few kids each year that get the chance to attend one of the academies, so you're already drawing from a very small pool of potential football players, and your main competitors to this very, very limited pool offer a much better sounding plan for your service obligation.
Lets see, played sports mainly Football and Track all my life and initially came to Marshall to walk-on but decided not too because of how poorly respected the walk-ons under Snyder was treated. Still to this day play whenever I can and even played Semi-Pro football here in NY 2 summers ago?
Competing is just going and fielding a team. Being competitive is something Army hasn't been since 1996
I don't want teams that will be field fillers. That is why I have been staunchly opposed to ODU, NT, and UNCC in this conference. There is a reason why I preach we need to add Georgia Southern, Appy State, ULL, and Arkansas State. Because they can come in and be competitive and have a shot of winning this conference. Army is probably the worst FBS program in the nation by far and they have been for almost 2 decades.
This game is pointless. They should just do Navy/Air Force. At least it would be a good game most years. Army/Navy is pretty much predetermined.
Navy and Air Force do play each other. Actually it is a pretty close series.
Following your logic Marshall should not play wvu in basketball or football.
Series Navy leads, 60–49–7 (.547)
The Army vs Navy game is the best rivalry game in American sport.
I agree and so did many of the commentators. Seeing this game in person should be on every fans bucket list. Concerning Army being competitive, I think the streak ends next year and Army may win the next three. I'll bet you a beer they win next year.
I have been to the Auburn vs Alabama game and it was awesome, but no way it has the emotion, pride, and feeling of Army vs Navy. I don't think you understand what it means to those academies and branches of the service. Alabama vs Auburn is an incredible rivalry, but if you don't have a lump in your throat at the beginning of the Army vs Navy game or at the end then you don't have an American pulse.
Nah I don't have a lump because I could care less. Sorry I'm not some flag bearer turn a blind eye to the atrocities my government has committed American.
Army vs Navy is just another game to me
Army vs Navy is just another game to me
We have helped free more people and been more generous than any other nation in the world's history.
Well here for one. this country freed thousands of slaves who had been sold into slavery by their black brothers.
