we need much more of this - sanders thrown out of restaurant because she works for trump

[ThunderCat98]

5 CFR 2635.702(a)

(a)Inducement or coercion of benefits. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office in a manner that is intended to coerce or induce another person, including a subordinate, to provide any benefit, financial or otherwise, to himself or to friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employeeis affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity.


You seem to be an expert at law so I’m sure you are more knowledgeable than the ethics officer. LMAO!

Is this a joke? You're so f*cking stupid, I can't tell with you.

What benefit did she derive, or try to coerce, from the restaurant? This ought to be good.

She may have violated some other ethics rule (personal use of government equipment or a similar reg), but she certainly didn't violate the cited provision.

 

[ThunderCat98]

She cannot discourage patronage of a private business using her official position.

Moron.

I must have missed where she told people not to go there. Oh, that's right. She didn't. She merely posted an undeniable fact - that she went to the restaurant and was asked to leave. Unless she made additional tweets I'm not aware of, I fail to see any impropriety in what she did. Some of you hate Trump and this administration so bad, you throw logic and common sense out the window. There are plenty of things to criticize Sanders over. This ain't one of them.

 

[ThunderCat98]

I know you dodged this question before, but how many times did you have to petition the WVSC to allow you to take the bar because you couldn't pass?

 

[herdfan429]

The waitress went to Twitter first and it had already gotten around the Twitterverse. I’m sure she was already getting questions about it and that’s why she made the tweet

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

I like how people persistently misrepresent things on this issue.

The guy in Colorado doesn't refuse to serve gays (he in fact did and does), he elected not to cater an event.

Chik-Fil-A doesn't have a position on homosexuality or gay marriage. Dan Cathey does. Chik-Fil-A employs many people of a homosexual bent, in fact the one a friend of mine works at in Alabama is managed by an out lesbian.

I also love how the tolerant one can't help but mock SHS for her weight and appearance.

 

[dherd]

It is amazing how far some let themselves go with this shit. You're officially off the deep end. You talk like you're stabbing a voodoo doll of her as you post ITT.

what's amazing is ANYONE willing to defend this MOB FAMILY, that is incapable of governing, telling the truth about anything no matter how irrelevant, has broken dozens of laws, obstructed justice and likely sold the country out to
Russia in the past and planning to do so again in the future.
that's what's amazing and off the deep end.

 

[countryroads89]

I know you dodged this question before, but how many times did you have to petition the WVSC to allow you to take the bar because you couldn't pass?

WVSC? Huh?

What do they have to do with the bar exam?

Moron.

 

[GK4Herd]

I like how people persistently misrepresent things on this issue.

The guy in Colorado doesn't refuse to serve gays (he in fact did and does), he elected not to cater an event.

Chik-Fil-A doesn't have a position on homosexuality or gay marriage. Dan Cathey does. Chik-Fil-A employs many people of a homosexual bent, in fact the one a friend of mine works at in Alabama is managed by an out lesbian.

I also love how the tolerant one can't help but mock SHS for her weight and appearance.

When the chairman, president, and CEO of a company founded by his father, that closes on Sundays due to religious convictions, that founded a charitable foundation (Winshape) whose focus is to donate money from the profits of Chic Fil-A to a laundry list of religious organizations of which over 5 million went to anti-gay groups...well...yes they are taking a stance on same sex marriage.


From Wikipedia...



Since 2003, WinShape has donated over $5 million to allegedly anti-gay groups,[11] including Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Family Research Council, Exodus International, and the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund, groups which seek to provide, among other works, an anti-gay interpretation of biblical teachings about marriage and sexuality. Approximately $2 million was given in 2009[12][13][14] and almost the same amount in 2010.[15][16] WinShape's financial support of these groups has caused gay-rights advocates to denounce[17][18] Chick-fil-A and protest against its restaurants and products on various college and university campuses including Northeastern University and NYU. Northeastern University's Student Senate voted on February 28, 2012 to cancel plans for an on-campus Chick-Fil-A restaurant[19] and an online petition against the NYU franchise was also launched that same month.[20]

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

My point still stands. Their position as a company is that LGBTQ+×÷=- are not only welcomed as patrons, but as valued employees.

 

[GK4Herd]

I'll add that in 2014 he owned up to it being a mistake for his charitable organization to take a stance on political and social issues. Which implies that it did when the controversy arose in 2012.



Also from Wikipedia...


"But in March 2014, he told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that it had been a "mistake" for the WinShape Foundation to "support political or social agendas" in the period before 2012, when this was reported and a national controversy broke out at a time of debate about same-sex marriages."

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

Guess this is the new Left? Going around harassing women in power for wrongthink?

 

[GK4Herd]

Why do so few people not understand (or openly admit) that there is idiocy and intolerance on both sides? The problem is the adherence to an absolute ideological point of view where reasoning and rational thought is sacrificed in some winner take all mentality.

You can't have a reasoned view on things because the argument has been pushed to the fringe. It isn't that black and white. Absolutism means you can't simultaneously believe that large corporations are good for America because they employ people and also believe that many would throw you out to pasture if it benefited their bottom line. Yet both are true. But with absolutist you can't have both. You have to have Hitler on one side and Marx on the other. It's an overly simplistic view of the world that shuns intellectual honesty and creates a nation that relies on default stances rather than reasoned ones.

But I guess it's just a lot more fun to think in a rigid way and credit dissent to idiocy.

 

[dherd]

My point still stands. Their position as a company is that LGBTQ+×÷=- are not only welcomed as patrons, but as valued employees.

NO GK FLUSHED YOUR POINT DOWN THE TOILET.

 

[dherd]

All the same, she was tense as she walked up to the press secretary’s chair.
“I said, ‘I’m the owner,’ ” she recalled, ” ‘I’d like you to come out to the patio with me for a word.’ ”
They stepped outside, into another small enclosure, but at least out of the crowded restaurant.

“I was babbling a little, but I got my point across in a polite and direct fashion,” Wilkinson said. “I explained that the restaurant has certain standards that I feel it has to uphold, such as honesty, and compassion, and cooperation.

“I said, ‘I’d like to ask you to leave.’ ”

 

[mlblack16.]

what's amazing is ANYONE willing to defend this MOB FAMILY, that is incapable of governing, telling the truth about anything no matter how irrelevant, has broken dozens of laws, obstructed justice and likely sold the country out to
Russia in the past and planning to do so again in the future.
that's what's amazing and off the deep end.

Wow, bizarre. Thanks for proving my point, you fvcking wack job.

 

[ohio herd]

When the chairman, president, and CEO of a company founded by his father, that closes on Sundays due to religious convictions, that founded a charitable foundation (Winshape) whose focus is to donate money from the profits of Chic Fil-A to a laundry list of religious organizations of which over 5 million went to anti-gay groups...well...yes they are taking a stance on same sex marriage.


From Wikipedia...



Since 2003, WinShape has donated over $5 million to allegedly anti-gay groups,[11] including Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Family Research Council, Exodus International, and the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund, groups which seek to provide, among other works, an anti-gay interpretation of biblical teachings about marriage and sexuality. Approximately $2 million was given in 2009[12][13][14] and almost the same amount in 2010.[15][16] WinShape's financial support of these groups has caused gay-rights advocates to denounce[17][18] Chick-fil-A and protest against its restaurants and products on various college and university campuses including Northeastern University and NYU. Northeastern University's Student Senate voted on February 28, 2012 to cancel plans for an on-campus Chick-Fil-A restaurant[19] and an online petition against the NYU franchise was also launched that same month.[20]

did you honestly know who they gave money to before all of the publicity? Why would that matter? I mean if I can't go eat at a restaurant or drink a beverage unless I agree with who they give money to then my choices are limited. For me if I go into Star Bucks I don't care what liberal cause they support. Why would it matter if Chick fi la supports a christian organization that holds a view that has been held by the church for 2000 years?

 

[GreenDuke]

Seems some can’t differentiate between tolerance and acceptance.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

So are restaraunts going to make you fill out a value quiz to see if you are a compassionate person before they'll serve you?

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

 

[ThunderCat98]

WVSC? Huh?

What do they have to do with the bar exam?

Moron.

Used to be if you failed the WV Bar 4 times, you had to petition the Court before you could take it again. I assume that was the case when your stupid a$$ was failing it.

 

[mlblack16.]

Used to be if you failed the WV Bar 4 times, you had to petition the Court before you could take it again. I assume that was the case when your stupid a$$ was failing it.

No, more like he has no clue what you're talking about, because he's not an attorney. He does practice law though, under the name of Jerry Gallo.

 

[GK4Herd]

did you honestly know who they gave money to before all of the publicity? Why would that matter? I mean if I can't go eat at a restaurant or drink a beverage unless I agree with who they give money to then my choices are limited. For me if I go into Star Bucks I don't care what liberal cause they support. Why would it matter if Chick fi la supports a christian organization that holds a view that has been held by the church for 2000 years?

I’m not sure you read anything I said because this response doesn’t address anything I talked about. I was responding to keeper’s assertion that the views were of the owner/ceo and not the personal view of Chic fil-A. It’s my belief that the owner/ceo of a company that funds a charitable organization with the profits of the company in which five million went to groups that oppose same sex marriage that it does represent the companies stance. I mean...the guy is the company. I never once said that I cared about what their view actually is.

Every single thing that I wrote about it on this thread says they have the right to run their business any way they want. But when you take open stances, in a free market, you subject yourself to risks. It doesn’t matter whether the repercussions are fair or not. Sometimes it will bite you. Sometimes it won’t. But ultimately your actions as a business owner are entirely yours. I’ve eaten Chic Fil-A through all this because I like their food. I will continue to do so.

I do believe you’re illustrating my point. Nowhere did I say I either support or not support Chic fil-A for their political stance. Because you think I’m supporting a liberal agenda (I’m not) you attributed stuff to me that I never even said. That’s the problem with how polarized the discussion has become. Neither conservatives nor liberals can even comprehend that sometimes things can be viewed outside the influence of absolute views. They have to assign all the preconceived beliefs they attribute to their adversaries on every point and they ultimately miss the larger point all together.

 

[GK4Herd]

No, more like he has no clue what you're talking about, because he's not an attorney. He does practice law though, under the name of Jerry Gallo.

Did you say Gallo with a G? Jerry Gallo’s dead. I think you mean Jerry Callo. C-A-L-L-O.

 

[Bankerreturns]

The only thing I have learned in this thread is that Ben Affleck is even dumber than I thought he was and unable to have a debate.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Agree it’s hippocritical of those that say no cake but you must serve Sanders.


.

We will blame this one on you having just read the Hippocratic Oath.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Why should the government or anyone else for that matter tell a business owner how or who they should do business with.

The problem with this is that there are still many places in the country where neighborhoods wouldn't serve people based on race, religion, or sexual preference if they were allowed to discriminate based on those.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I also love how the tolerant one can't help but mock SHS for her weight and appearance.

Oh, it's the preacher again showing his bias that he claims doesn't exist.

Lets see:

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of a fellow Republican presidential candidate. You didn't say anything.

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of numerous women celebrities who disagreed with his politics. You didn't say anything.

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of the wife of a fellow Republican presidential candidate. You didn't say anything.

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of a disabled reporter. You didn't say anything.


But, god forbid, if a guy on a message board mocks the appearance of a woman who perpetuates lies, protects discrimination, and throws tantrums in attempts to silence the media from doing their job, you're going to speak out against that atrocity!

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

*I’m fully aware that I left the subject out of my reply making this a sentence fragment in case rifle is grading papers today.

As long the WV approved textbook says it is alright, then you're good, regardless of how many high school and college teachers will mark it wrong.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

The problem is the adherence to an absolute ideological point of view where reasoning and rational thought is sacrificed in some winner take all mentality.

It's an overly simplistic view of the world that shuns intellectual honesty and creates a nation that relies on default stances rather than reasoned ones.

This is a perfect summary for the topic of theists.

 

[ohio herd]

I’m not sure you read anything I said because this response doesn’t address anything I talked about. I was responding to keeper’s assertion that the views were of the owner/ceo and not the personal view of Chic fil-A. It’s my belief that the owner/ceo of a company that funds a charitable organization with the profits of the company in which five million went to groups that oppose same sex marriage that it does represent the companies stance. I mean...the guy is the company. I never once said that I cared about what their view actually is.

Every single thing that I wrote about it on this thread says they have the right to run their business any way they want. But when you take open stances, in a free market, you subject yourself to risks. It doesn’t matter whether the repercussions are fair or not. Sometimes it will bite you. Sometimes it won’t. But ultimately your actions as a business owner are entirely yours. I’ve eaten Chic Fil-A through all this because I like their food. I will continue to do so.

I do believe you’re illustrating my point. Nowhere did I say I either support or not support Chic fil-A for their political stance. Because you think I’m supporting a liberal agenda (I’m not) you attributed stuff to me that I never even said. That’s the problem with how polarized the discussion has become. Neither conservatives nor liberals can even comprehend that sometimes things can be viewed outside the influence of absolute views. They have to assign all the preconceived beliefs they attribute to their adversaries on every point and they ultimately miss the larger point all together.

I never claimed you were liberal . I just made the point that when I want a Starbucks (liberal co) I don't care what the company does with their donations. When I buy from Chick Fil A (conservative co) it is the same way. I am just saying that people today are so sensitive.I guess one day it will come down to every store has to have a big red sticker or a blue one on the front door so I can know which one I can eat at. I also think you are splitting hairs when you make the distinction about the ownership. If the CEO of Star Bucks makes a decision that they will continue to support Planned Parenthood how is that any different? He has a board of directors he answers to and they obviously agree with that decision. Starbucks’ ongoing relationship with the abortion giant through its matching gift program is nothing one can ignore. How is it wrong for one to donate to a faith based org with traditional views and okay to donate to another org that doesn't?

 

[ARandomHerdFan]

I must have missed where she told people not to go there. Oh, that's right. She didn't. She merely posted an undeniable fact - that she went to the restaurant and was asked to leave. Unless she made additional tweets I'm not aware of, I fail to see any impropriety in what she did. Some of you hate Trump and this administration so bad, you throw logic and common sense out the window. There are plenty of things to criticize Sanders over. This ain't one of them.

I agree with you in regards to Sanders' tweet.

However, the latest Trump tweet about the restaurant is another story.

 

[ThunderCat98]

I agree with you in regards to Sanders' tweet.

However, the latest Trump tweet about the restaurant is another story.

Haven't seen it, but don't doubt it one bit.

 

[i am herdman]

Oh, it's the preacher again showing his bias that he claims doesn't exist.

Lets see:

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of a fellow Republican presidential candidate. You didn't say anything.

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of numerous women celebrities who disagreed with his politics. You didn't say anything.

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of the wife of a fellow Republican presidential candidate. You didn't say anything.

- cheeto mocked the physical appearance of a disabled reporter. You didn't say anything.


But, god forbid, if a guy on a message board mocks the appearance of a woman who perpetuates lies, protects discrimination, and throws tantrums in attempts to silence the media from doing their job, you're going to speak out against that atrocity!

Gotta get that race card in there. It is all you all have and really know how to do. The old race card crutch. It is almost laughable now. Protects discrimination?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I wouldn't serve Mrs. Goebbels. Then again, I wouldn't serve known assholes in general.

Keeper, who in the past (like when Obama was in office) has been quick to point out today's rude politics ain't got shit on the 19th Century, is suddenly Miss Manners with a sorta-Republican in the White House. While I think the chanting at someone in a restaurant is over the top (mainly because it disturbs the other patrons, I would be super pissed if this happened while I was eating, I get mad enough when the wait staff does the stupid birthday shit), I don't see an issue with calling a spade a spade when it walks in your door. Perhaps the throwing of rotten produce will make a popular return.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

Rifle seems to have been the only person to not know DTrump was an ignoramus and a morally bankrupt individual prior to 2016, hence why many of us didn't vote for him.

Guess that's why he needs other people to point that out on a regular basis.

And Raoul, just because it was worse back then doesn't justify it now. I thought we were "progressing" as a society?

But I guess our intellectual and moral betters on the Left get a pass because DTrump does bad things and says inane things.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

And Raoul, just because it was worse back then doesn't justify it now. I thought we were "progressing" as a society?

Democracy is messy. That is why it has been rare in human history. I'd rather have some pricks on both sides than general apathy...which we are dangerously close to anyway, we are the weirdos who actually vote and care.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

It's also why mass suffrage was universally understood to be a bad idea, and also why a hugely corrupt bureaucratic cesspool on the banks of the Potomac is an enemy of all humans.

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

Gotta get that race card in there. It is all you all have and really know how to do. The old race card crutch. It is almost laughable now. Protects discrimination?

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What the fvck does my post have to do with race?

You’re so aware of and paranoid about your racism that you’re imagining people accusing your side of it when those accusations don’t even exist.

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

Rifle seems to have been the only person to not know DTrump was an ignoramus and a morally bankrupt individual prior to 2016, hence why many of us didn't vote for him.

Guess that's why he needs other people to point that out on a regular basis.

Nope. Not what this is about. This is about your constant hypocrisy by calling out Democrats for actions yet never doing the same for Republicans, even going so far as to defend many of their actions.

Then, you claim to not have that bias or do those one-sided actions.

 

[big_country90]

Why do so few people not understand (or openly admit) that there is idiocy and intolerance on both sides? The problem is the adherence to an absolute ideological point of view where reasoning and rational thought is sacrificed in some winner take all mentality.

You can't have a reasoned view on things because the argument has been pushed to the fringe. It isn't that black and white. Absolutism means you can't simultaneously believe that large corporations are good for America because they employ people and also believe that many would throw you out to pasture if it benefited their bottom line. Yet both are true. But with absolutist you can't have both. You have to have Hitler on one side and Marx on the other. It's an overly simplistic view of the world that shuns intellectual honesty and creates a nation that relies on default stances rather than reasoned ones.

But I guess it's just a lot more fun to think in a rigid way and credit dissent to idiocy.

Why do you only bother pointing that out when someone on the left does something outrageous?