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getting ready to watch "We are Marshall" again, so I can cry and get it somewhat out of my system for a while. For me, seems like it gets worse each year. I didn't know anyone on the plane, can't imagine what it's like for those that did.

Go Herd!!
 
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I was MUCH more involved with the crash than anyone here, with the exception of family, and physically closer to it than I like to remember. I accept no scolding from any of you guys.
 
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Oh...I didn't know. By all means continue calling out a guy for expressing a heartfelt and honest emotion. You see, all the time I thought owning up to human emotions on the event was a sign of reverence. I never dreamed that there was a certain degree of closeness to the situation you had to have in order to express yourself. Really...our bad.
 
Maybe that's easy for you but some of us were impacted by it. My Grandma lost her boss, she was a secretary at Marshall back in 1970. One of the guys went to my church. I knew several of the children who lost their parents.I can remember sitting in a school assembly with hundreds of others dealing with it. My dad had to deal with it with his job. He was also taking classes at that time trying to finish his degree and had a class and knew a couple of the guys. My first game at Fairfield as a kid was in 1972 and I can tell you the pain was still there. Glad it doesn't bother you but for many it is an emotional wound that impacted an entire community. I can tell you many of us lived through it some more so than others but degrading someone for feeling an emotional hurt is wrong.
 
GreenDuke said:
1/2 a century and you didn't know or were related to anyone aboard. Time to get a grip.
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GD - what's a matter? I too am baffled by the notion that you are only entitled to be emotional over The Crash if you personally knew or were related to someone who was killed. Man, why didn't my Dad tell the 11 y.o. me to man up and not let it bother me, since I wasn't eligible to feel bad over people I didn't personally know.
Why did I have to be involved in the 10th Memorial Service as a Senior, introducing record setting QB Reggie Oliver as the keynote speaker @ the candlelight service that evening & laying a wreath on behalf of the student body with SB Pres Brian Angle @ Springhill? I should have known better.
Get over yourself - You have no more right to decide who gets to & who doesn't get to have strong feelings for this monumentally tragic event that still affects 1000's of people to this very day. Just try to stop me from being @ the Fountain on Saturday. dick.
WS
 
Always hurts my heart

If that doesn't give you some kind of an emotional rush, you must be a cold-hearted individual
 
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GreenDuke said:
I was MUCH more involved with the crash than anyone here, with the exception of family, and physically closer to it than I like to remember. I accept no scolding from any of you guys.
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I did have family on the plane and your comment was completely inappropriate. The plane crash was not just an individual tragedy it was a community disaster. Many more people than those with direct connections were affected. It seems to me youre the one that needs to get a grip.
 
GreenDuke said:
I was MUCH more involved with the crash than anyone here, with the exception of family, and physically closer to it than I like to remember. I accept no scolding from any of you guys.
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This is the kind of stuff on this board that drives me crazy. Really, oh look at me I'm so much more important then you, blah,blah,blah. Someone post a nice message about the movie and you have to one up them, good grief!
 
Well our fanbase just got smaller since someone can only feel strongly about these events if they personally knew someone on the plane. Have you also scolded the players that came here because they were touched by our story and the tragedy our program has had to overcome? If people had this attitude when the crash happened we wouldn't have a program today. He even showed sympathy for those that were closer to the crash and how he couldn't imagine their feelings if he was feeling so emotional while not knowing anyone onboard. I guess you better remind me to come back and ask permission anytime I have any emotion at all about anything Marshall. A common problem on this board and our country in general is that everyone is divided and wants to bicker and argue over the wrong things. This is something we should never argue about. I would hope everyone here loves Marshall and even if we didn't personally know anyone on the plane we are all part of the Marshall family.It was a good post to start with extragreen! Sorry it was hijacked and sorry I even contributed to that part of the thread.
GO HERD!
 
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I remember before the movie, when all you had was the imminently tasteful annual fountain ceremony. Now you have helmet decals and alternate black uniforms and blackout fan promotions, because once ypu get to the point where everybody with a real emotional connection to the actual victims of an airline tragedy - that had nothing to do with sports - has died or gotten old, kitschy shit like this seems tasteful.

The point of ashes to glory is the glory. More and more our tradition is becoming sifting through the ashes, trying to turn a tragedy into tradition. Its gross.
 
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herdfan429 said:
I did have family on the plane and your comment was completely inappropriate. The plane crash was not just an individual tragedy it was a community disaster. Many more people than those with direct connections were affected. It seems to me youre the one that needs to get a grip.
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If I told you where is was and what I did in the immediate aftermath of the crash(and the next several days) you would be flabbergasted. I have spelled it all out on the board before(maybe a different board) but nobody would necessarily remember my ramblings. My initial post said, (if you read it slowly) that if you didn't have family or friends on board and its 1/2 century after the fact then crying over a movie every time you see it might be over the top.
 
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If I told you where is was and what I did in the immediate aftermath of the crash(and the next several days) you would be flabbergasted. I have spelled it all out on the board before(maybe a different board) but nobody would necessarily remember my ramblings. My initial post said, (if you read it slowly) that if you didn't have family or friends on board and its 1/2 century after the fact then crying over a movie every time you see it might be over the top.
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You might be right. It might be over the top. That doesn't change anything for me. To this day I don't understand my emotions over the tragedy. And sounds to me like you have way more involved than myself, so I understand how my post might seem silly to you. And that's OK by me.
 
GreenDuke said:
If I told you where is was and what I did in the immediate aftermath of the crash(and the next several days) you would be flabbergasted. I have spelled it all out on the board before(maybe a different board) but nobody would necessarily remember my ramblings. My initial post said, (if you read it slowly) that if you didn't have family or friends on board and its 1/2 century after the fact then crying over a movie every time you see it might be over the top.
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And my response would be to quote Hillary Clinton what difference does it make? There was no need for you to be such a condescending dick but since you're a duke fan I guess it's in your nature. EG is entitled to feel how ever he wants and it has absolutely NO baring on you at all
 
herdalicious said:
I remember before the movie, when all you had was the imminently tasteful annual fountain ceremony. Now you have helmet decals and alternate black uniforms and blackout fan promotions, because once ypu get to the point where everybody with a real emotional connection to the actual victims of an airline tragedy - that had nothing to do with sports - has died or gotten old, kitschy shit like this seems tasteful.

The point of ashes to glory is the glory. More and more our tradition is becoming sifting through the ashes, trying to turn a tragedy into tradition. Its gross.
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Are you saying the tragedy has become commercialized in some way?
 
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Are you saying the tragedy has become commercialized in some way?
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To some degree, yes. My real heartburn though comes from taking something deeply serious (an airline tragedy that took the lives of 75 very real human beings) and using it as a backdrop to something completely superfluous: a college football color-out promotion.

I wasn't around at the time of the crash, but I do recall when the tragedy wasn't such a big part of our tradition. It was something that happened, that people respected, but the theme was Marshall's recovery from it. Today, the constant references to it, the use of it as a tool in promotion of the program, it smacks of exploitation.
 
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herdalicious said:
To some degree, yes. My real heartburn though comes from taking something deeply serious (an airline tragedy that took the lives of 75 very real human beings) and using it as a backdrop to something completely superfluous: a college football color-out promotion.

I wasn't around at the time of the crash, but I do recall when the tragedy wasn't such a big part of our tradition. It was something that happened, that people respected, but the theme was Marshall's recovery from it. Today, the constant references to it, the use of it as a tool in promotion of the program, it smacks of exploitation.
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I can see that too...
I won't make fun of EG's emotions or anyone's from seeing the movie. I think any son or daughter of Marshall should feel some sort of touched emotion as they are now a part of this history and should embrace it.
However, the crash has literally become our identity and selling point. I joked one time that our TV commentators during games are contracted to mention, at least once, the crash of 1970...as it is literally mentioned all the time.
People still mention "the struggle" as though it is something ongoing. As a therapist, I'd diagnose you with a mental disorder if, 45 years later, you still "struggle" with this.
I've also gotten into debates with people who are against wearing black on Saturday...mainly because those people are so damn condescending towards "outsiders" from this....meaning that unless you are involved in the crash you somehow are 'inferior' to those who are/were....as though Marshall is somehow the only group of people to have died in a plane crash...the knly plane crash in human history...or sudden death never happens to anyone.
Whats even more sad is people have to use the crash to get anyones attention for a change of action...nobody would wear black unless there were some mention of the crash. I am not against black, I find it a positive change.
Hell, I remember several on this board were ready to drop the Joan name and adopt "Marshall Memorial Stadium" as if the plane crash memorial site, fountain, and movie are not enough...
At times it really seems more of a selling point than anything.
 
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I was MUCH more involved with the crash than anyone here, with the exception of family, and physically closer to it than I like to remember. I accept no scolding from any of you guys.
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Is that what made you so rude and uncaring. People have different ways of dealing. EG has his, you have yours.
 
I agree it shouldn't be commercialized but I also don't think we should argue over emotions. Hell people get upset over fake stories and movies all the time so to criticize someone for getting emotional while watching a true story that involves something we all love is just crazy. While some people were closer to the events than others i dont think it allows them to dictate how anyone else feels. Hell I was deployed multiple times and lost friends so should i tell other Americans they have no right to get emotional if they weren't there or didn't know them? Do I speak up everytime something is said good or bad about the war? No because everyone is entitled to their own opinion and they experience their own emotions. Just because I was there doesn't give me any sense of entitlement to tell others what to feel or think and doesnt make me better than anyone who didn't want to go in the first place because again they are entitled to their own thoughts and feelings. I know someone will think this post is a bit off topic but i was just referencing how being close to an event doesnt matter. Things affect people in different ways and being closer doesnt entitle anyone to dictate those thoughts or feelings. Your emotions are valid duke but so are everyone elses. It may be 45 years later but not everyone was around 45 years ago or didnt know the story until a little more recently. Ahh well i guess we also have different opinions on these things though I'm done expressing my opinion about this stuff.. yall have at it though i am going to get back to being happy we have a team let alone a team that is 8-2. GO HERD!
 
I agree Joey...
Thats why I never would attack someone regarding the movie or the crash...as some are more sensitive to things than others and I respect that.
In terms of emotions that is.
 
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Emotions are stirred in all of us by events and memories of those events. Watching a movie of a tragedy can stir memories of our own loses, i.e. death of loved ones. That is how we can connect with others in similar circumstances. That's what makes us a community. Nothing wrong with feeling or expressing those emotions. They can be a part of our lives till we leave this world. Empathy is a great word to use in this case and it most certainly brings us closer together. I did not personally know anyone on the plane. I do know some of the children and know what kind of impact this had on their lives. I have feelings for these folks and when I watch the "We Are Marshall" movie, emotions are stirred in me. I hope the memory of the lives lost will
be a part of who we are as a community for long time. It strengthens us.
 
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GreenDuke said:
If I told you where is was and what I did in the immediate aftermath of the crash(and the next several days) you would be flabbergasted. I have spelled it all out on the board before(maybe a different board) but nobody would necessarily remember my ramblings. My initial post said, (if you read it slowly) that if you didn't have family or friends on board and its 1/2 century after the fact then crying over a movie every time you see it might be over the top.
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Regardless of where you were or what you did, to make the kind of claim that you were "Much more involved with the crash than anyone here" is a little presumptive, you think? It's entirely possible someone like a Keith Morehouse is a lurker or a poster here. Maybe, maybe not, point is there's no way to know.

Even if it IS true, to claim it as some kind of badge of honor like it qualifies you to judge people's emotions is pretty gross, really. And I say that as someone who is not normally quick to jump into these conversations.

I agree with some if Herdalicious' thoughts that I feel like sometimes, even when well intentioned we cross an admittedly grey line. Example, wearing the 75 helmet decal for the remainder of the 13 season struck me over the top. It
had become a good luck charm, not a memorial.

Point being, this is just the case of a guy posting to share his thoughts and emotions, which if I'm not mistaken is the main point of a message board.

This is why we can't have nice things here.
 
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I'll say this: the plane crash wasn't as big a part of our football persona in the late 90s and early 00s, when we were a program on the rise and ESPN's mid-major darling. I see the increase in attention to it as a reaction to Marshall hitting a ceiling - whether its our natural place or one imposed by realignment - and realizing its our best chance for injecting ourselves into the national cfb conversation.
 
This board is amazing sometimes...... both good and bad. Fans are fans, good and bad. Like ESPN or not, they just did a really nice piece on "today" at MU.

I lost two of my best college friends on that this night 45 years ago, you never forget. We are all fortunate to have known those that we did, and to have this story retold, over and over so that their memories remain a part of the Marshall story......... not matter how it gets retold, it's so worth re-telling.

take a moment, if you are interested, and click the link below, half way through, my story, my small piece of that weekend/that night was told in a way that I can go back and relive anytime. I'll always appreciate that opportunity whether commercial or not. Around the release of the movie, so many got to tell the stories that had been forgotten or never shared.

sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=alipour/061220
 
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