What do conservatives think about Climate Change?

[AmeriKenny]

I'm traditionally a conservative voter but I voted Biden this time even though I only supported some of his immigration stances (H1B, not open borders) and his urgency on climate change and protecting the environment for generations to come.

William Shatner 'overwhelmed by sadness' while discussing spaceflight

Just one day after hurtling into space on the Blue Origin rocket, an emotional William Shatner appeared on "Cuomo Prime Time" to discuss the profound experience.

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I'm just wondering are Republican anti-climaters going to be convinced by Shatner that it's a serious issue that needs to be dealt with or are they going to stay on the Trump bandwagon through thick and thin and think liberals are too extreme about environmental issues?

I wonder if there are any Republican candidates that actually think we need to do more to safeguard our environment for our children and their children.

 

[Jartard]

If Shatner was so concerned about the environment, I would think that he wouldn’t be taking a joyride into space. What kind of fuel was used? What sort of emissions were given off? I love how the wealthy always do stuff like this and blame us peasants.

 

[MichiganHerd]

Well, the Chinks and Indians are responsible for about half of the world's greenhouse omissions.

A reasonable person would have to think that if one is truly concerned about climate change, then start with those two. Coincidentally, those two are currently sitting on the sidelines.

Start with them, and if they join the club, then the rest of us might consider joining. Until then, screw this climate change thing.

One more thing, if by chance, liberals are right, and we only have 10-12 years left before we all die, then I'm going to follow your lead, and start chasing 16 year old girls.

 

[herdfan429]

I'm traditionally a conservative voter but I voted Biden this time even though I only supported some of his immigration stances (H1B, not open borders) and his urgency on climate change and protecting the environment for generations to come.

William Shatner 'overwhelmed by sadness' while discussing spaceflight

Just one day after hurtling into space on the Blue Origin rocket, an emotional William Shatner appeared on "Cuomo Prime Time" to discuss the profound experience.

www.yahoo.com

I'm just wondering are Republican anti-climaters going to be convinced by Shatner that it's a serious issue that needs to be dealt with or are they going to stay on the Trump bandwagon through thick and thin and think liberals are too extreme about environmental issues?

I wonder if there are any Republican candidates that actually think we need to do more to safeguard our environment for our children and their children.

You do know that some of the leading conservation organizations are lead by hunters right? Look we are all for protecting the environment, no one advocates for dumping toxic sludge into drinking water, the issue comes when the govt forces people/industries to comply with standards that some feel are unnecessary and heavy handed.

 

[Marshall Jeff]

William Shatner (jewish) is the sky wizard.

 

[extragreen]

when the govt forces people/industries to comply with standards that some feel are unnecessary and heavy handed.

Like speed limits, seat belts, airport security, photo IDs to vote, vaccinations for children to go to school, protective head gear in sports, taxes, food safety regulations....

 

[herdfan429]

Like speed limits, seat belts, airport security, photo IDs to vote, vaccinations for children to go to school, protective head gear in sports, taxes, food safety regulations....

More like a certain percentage of power produced a certain way by a certain date or banning a certain type of engine

 

[AmeriKenny]

Well, the Chinks and Indians are responsible for about half of the world's greenhouse omissions.

A reasonable person would have to think that if one is truly concerned about climate change, then start with those two. Coincidentally, those two are currently sitting on the sidelines.

Start with them, and if they join the club, then the rest of us might consider joining. Until then, screw this climate change thing.

One more thing, if by chance, liberals are right, and we only have 10-12 years left before we all die, then I'm going to follow your lead, and start chasing 16 year old girls.

That age has gone up to the 30s by the way. Still interested or do you prefer the minors?

 

[Brushy Bill]

Climate alarmism is nothing more than a power grab scheme by the PTB. The climate has always followed cyclical patterns driven mostly by solar activity. Man has had little to no effect on the climate here on planet earth. Now, pollution is a very real problem and needs to be addressed.

 

[extragreen]

More like a certain percentage of power produced a certain way by a certain date or banning a certain type of engine

....or catalytic converters that were mandated in 1975.

 

[i am herdman]

Guy rides a rocket into space based on his fame and status. Lectures me on the environment.

 

[Kate Branson]

I'd just like to see these supposed environmentalists really do something about it. Go out and try to take the keys out of the hands of the guys driving the trucks with balls.

Good luck.

Just like with the guns. Good luck getting all those.

The air is as safe as it's going to get. Hell, put on a mask and go gag in it.

 

[i am herdman]

I'd just like to see these supposed environmentalists really do something about it. Go out and try to take the keys out of the hands of the guys driving the trucks with balls.

Good luck.

Just like with the guns. Good luck getting all those.

The air is as safe as it's going to get. Hell, put on a mask and go gag in it.

Good points. Our air is good. We live a pretty good life. My neighbor lectures me and they drive a Silverado quad cab. They make no damn sense

 

[extragreen]

Our air is good.

Thanks EPA !!

 

[big_country90]

There is absolutely nothing that William Shatner or any other celebrity on earth could say that would even remotely change my position on anything.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

I'm a conservationist not an environmentalist.

 

[Rock98Dog]

I firmly believe in climate change. I firmly believe the climate has cyclically changed for millions, if not billions, of years. I believe the climate changed before man, is changing during the time of man, and will change after the time of man.

I believe we worry way to much about climate and not nearly enough about pollution. We need to get away from everything being made of plastic and focus more on the use of biodegradable alternatives.

 

[KyMUfan]

Some excellent points presented here. I believe @AmeriKenny has been pretty harsh on some of my postings in the past but the following is offered sincerely...

I voted Biden this time even though I only supported some of his immigration stances (H1B, not open borders)

Why would you think Biden would do anything meaningful to improve the situation at the border since it was a crisis during his time in the Obama administration? We are getting exactly what he promised - a larger crisis at the border.

and his urgency on climate change and protecting the environment for generations to come

Here is an aspect of Trump's America First push for American manufacturing that not many people get. US manufacturing is widely regulated and has some of the lowest environmental impact in the world, and far less than that of China. Trump's tough stance on trade with China could have a beneficial effect on this with less manufacturing in China with its lax environmental policies and more in the US with its more stringent policies. Still waiting on a coherent Chinese trade policy from Biden...

 

[Jartard]

I firmly believe in climate change. I firmly believe the climate has cyclically changed for millions, if not billions, of years. I believe the climate changed before man, is changing during the time of man, and will change after the time of man.

I believe we worry way to much about climate and not nearly enough about pollution. We need to get away from everything being made of plastic and focus more on the use of biodegradable alternatives.

Agreed! If the Earth wasn’t warming, wouldn’t we still be in an ice age?

 

[HerdandHokies]

So those that think that human actions don’t impact the climate, do you deny the amount of CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere, or do you deny that higher CO2 levels are going to lead to generally warmer temperatures?

 

[KyMUfan]

So those that think that human actions don’t impact the climate, do you deny the amount of CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere, or do you deny that higher CO2 levels are going to lead to generally warmer temperatures?

Creation is a complex and balanced thing. I think there has been a consensus among the conservatives in this thread that China and India pay no heed to this and any meaningful reduction needs to start with them. We have also expressed a desire for less pollution and more recycling.

Not a scientist by any means but I think logically. Think of this - if the earth's temperatures increase wouldn't the growing seasons increase as well? If the growing seasons increase wouldn't more oxygen be released to offset the increased carbon dioxide emissions?

I have been working daily on renewable energy projects. I actually "trust that science". People of faith also often have a stewardship mindset about the earth and its resources. I choose to worship the Creator of the earth instead of the earth itself.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

My main issue with the Environmental Movement (I capitalize on purpose) is that it is a naked political power grab which has little interest in actually affecting the issue.

If your solution involves Federal government punitive measures which involve carve outs and kickbacks for people you like I am not likely to trust your "science".

There is also a big "walk the walk" problem. The loudest shouters are some of the worst offenders. It's like evangelical politicians who whine about abortion while arranging one for their mistress.

We see a similar thing with Covid and all the pols who want everyone to stay home for Christmas and shut down but go off and have their non-masked parties with their friends.

 

[HerdandHokies]

Creation is a complex and balanced thing. I think there has been a consensus among the conservatives in this thread that China and India pay no heed to this and any meaningful reduction needs to start with them. We have also expressed a desire for less pollution and more recycling.

“What to do about it” is a secondary question to “does human action, specifically generating CO2, cause climate change?” If people can’t get on the same page with the latter there’s no hope in agreeing on the former.

Not a scientist by any means but I think logically. Think of this - if the earth's temperatures increase wouldn't the growing seasons increase as well? If the growing seasons increase wouldn't more oxygen be released to offset the increased carbon dioxide emissions?

Releasing oxygen doesn’t offset CO2 generation. Plants do absorb CO2, which is good. The thing is, when those plants are eaten/burned/decompose, that CO2 goes right back out. So worldwide plant levels at any one time help offset CO2, but since they’ll generally still die it won’t really help long term.
What it WILL do is cause more water to be used by those plants, which is not good for us.

Once upon a time, by the way, the “decompose” thing worked differently. Trees evolved long before microorganisms capable of decomposing trees did. This led to basically a giant CO2 sink, as the trees absorbed the CO2 but couldn’t release it back (except by burning, which did happen but sometimes, particularly in swampy environments, didn’t.) That all eventually, over millions of years, due to the pressure and heat from all the dead trees and other stuff on top pushing down, turned them to coal.

 

[KyMUfan]

“What to do about it” is a secondary question to “does human action, specifically generating CO2, cause climate change?” If people can’t get on the same page with the latter there’s no hope in agreeing on the former.

There is no one panacea or magic bullet. Many variables with many possible solutions. Here is one but option.

Carbon Capture

www.c2es.org

Get China and India on board if you are that concerned about it.

 

[HerdandHokies]

There is no one panacea or magic bullet. Many variables with many possible solutions. Here is one but option.

Carbon Capture

www.c2es.org

Get China and India on board if you are that concerned about it.

We make about twice as much CO2 as India, with a smaller population.
China makes about twice as much as we do, but with over 3x the population.
We must look in the mirror on this one.

 

[KyMUfan]

We make about twice as much CO2 as India, with a smaller population.
China makes about twice as much as we do, but with over 3x the population.
We must look in the mirror on this one.

I think we have been. US CO2 emissions have generally been decreasing over the last 20 years. Can China and India say the same?

 

[HerdandHokies]

I think we have been. US CO2 emissions have generally been decreasing over the last 20 years. Can China and India say the same?

And even with that reduction we’re still creating twice as much CO2 per capita as China, and close to four times as much per capita as India.

 

[Brushy Bill]

And even with that reduction we’re still creating twice as much CO2 per capita as China, and close to four times as much per capita as India.

Do you want to live in the same conditions as citizens of India and China?

 

[herdfan429]

“What to do about it” is a secondary question to “does human action, specifically generating CO2, cause climate change?” If people can’t get on the same page with the latter there’s no hope in agreeing on the former.



Releasing oxygen doesn’t offset CO2 generation. Plants do absorb CO2, which is good. The thing is, when those plants are eaten/burned/decompose, that CO2 goes right back out. So worldwide plant levels at any one time help offset CO2, but since they’ll generally still die it won’t really help long term.
What it WILL do is cause more water to be used by those plants, which is not good for us.

Once upon a time, by the way, the “decompose” thing worked differently. Trees evolved long before microorganisms capable of decomposing trees did. This led to basically a giant CO2 sink, as the trees absorbed the CO2 but couldn’t release it back (except by burning, which did happen but sometimes, particularly in swampy environments, didn’t.) That all eventually, over millions of years, due to the pressure and heat from all the dead trees and other stuff on top pushing down, turned them to coal.

So if it’s caused by people are you suggesting population control?

 

[HerdandHokies]

So if it’s caused by people are you suggesting population control?

Reducing our per capita production through cleaner energy and transportation.

Some aspects of life will have to change. We can pick how or keep YOLOing and have nature pick for us.

 

[Marshall Jeff]

These climate wackos have killed us off 3 or 4 times already. Seriously how many times has doomsday come and went?

 

[Rock98Dog]

And even with that reduction we’re still creating twice as much CO2 per capita as China, and close to four times as much per capita as India.

And our GDP per capita is 4 times that of China. So our production to carbon emission ratio is twice theirs.

Our GDP per capita is 10 times that of India, so our production to carbon emission ratio is two and a half times higher.

our production is extremely more emissions friendly than China or India. And again, they are rapidly expanding their inefficient production while we are increasing our production while lowering our emissions. There is no negative way to paint the facts and be truthful.

 

[KyMUfan]

And our GDP per capita is 4 times that of China. So our production to carbon emission ratio is twice theirs.

Our GDP per capita is 10 times that of India, so our production to carbon emission ratio is two and a half times higher.

our production is extremely more emissions friendly than China or India. And again, they are rapidly expanding their inefficient production while we are increasing our production while lowering our emissions. There is no negative way to paint the facts and be truthful.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

Here's a good example of the idiocy that makes me not take the CLIMATE WARRIORS seriously.

 

[SamSwimmer]

William Shatner (jewish) is the sky wizard.

Space Jews.

 

[HerdandHokies]

And our GDP per capita is 4 times that of China. So our production to carbon emission ratio is twice theirs.

Our GDP per capita is 10 times that of India, so our production to carbon emission ratio is two and a half times higher.

our production is extremely more emissions friendly than China or India. And again, they are rapidly expanding their inefficient production while we are increasing our production while lowering our emissions. There is no negative way to paint the facts and be truthful.

That can also be framed as us over-consuming resources. Imagine our footprint if we consumed less (not even China and India levels, just less) and had our more efficient production.

Nobody wants to have that conversation because we’ve convinced ourselves that we need more stuff, higher profits, more productivity, etc, all the time. That that’s the whole point of life.

Again, we’re reaching a point where we can either make hard decisions, or get them made for us by nature.

 

[Rock98Dog]

If we consumed less the world economy would collapse. You have to keep the balls in the air. You think China has low quality of life now, what would it be if we weren’t buying their crap? What would Germany look like if we weren’t buying their cars and machinery? What would Taiwan or Japan look like? What would people around the planet do if we weren’t exporting our abundance of food production? If we weren’t buying their stuff they couldn’t afford to buy our food.