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What I read was,,kill christians

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In oregon the shooter lined them up against the wall. He ask them their faith. If they said christian they were shot in the back of the head. If they said anything else they were shot in the leg. If true this is persecution of christians.
What are we North Koreans? horrible horrible
 
I think the difference sisters is that in North Korea the persecution is state sponsored and the victims of the suppression are widespread. In the Oregon incident there is one individual, likely mentally unstable, whose actions were met by law enforcement and had he lived would have been brought to trial and punished. There is absolutely no comparison between yesterday's event and what is taking place in NK. It would be the height of hyperbole to insinuate that there is a comparison. This was the rogue act of a mentally unstable person. This isn't evidence of widespread christian persecution in the least.
 
Bad example My point was meant to be that gun control was not the issue but Killing Christians.
 
I thought Oregon was one of the toughest gun law states in the country??

More amazing (if what Sisters said is true) is that a group of people would willingly stand in line and allow ONE shooter to move one by one and assassinate individuals without attempting to fight him off. If you are going to kill me, I'm going to die fighting you. My God, what a bunch of brain dead sheep.
 
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Define "tough"..........Yep, they have a basic background check and a waiting period.

Wow! That's tough!

How would stricter gun legislation hurt? And don't go off the NRA deep end about taking your guns away.
 
Define "tough"..........Yep, they have a basic background check and a waiting period.

Wow! That's tough!

How would stricter gun legislation hurt? And don't go off the NRA deep end about taking your guns away.

According to links provided by the Mr. Greed in the other gun thread...Oregon has some of the tougher laws in the country. Take it up with him. He is the one using the data suggesting that NYC is safer than Alaska.
 
NYC gun laws are much tougher than Oregon........

Answer my question.......That's the issue, you can't and won't because even the smallest improvement in our current gun laws would help, not hurt.......And the laws have to be federal.

If you are a responsible gun owner/hunter like myself.......How would extended background checks, mental health screenings and longer waiting periods hurt.
 
You want to go get a mental health screening every time you want to buy a gun? You are mental.
 
You want to go get a mental health screening every time you want to buy a gun? You are mental.

While you may need one, that's not the proposal.

The proposal would be to obtain a "Permit to Purchase". This permit would require a background check, mental health screening, and gun safety course. It would be renewed every 5 years.
 
What is the insane incessant desire for individuals to turn everything over to the Federal Govt? The Federal Govt can barely screen passengers at airports effectively. The Fed govt is the equivalent of Ollie Luck........everything they touch turns to a confusing, bureaucratically controlled shit storm...........and yet we have the same kind of feel good, do gooders, sheep... that seem to pray to mother govt to save them from themselves.
 
My wife is a teacher and I have told her you can't just sit there and let the bastards shoot you like fish in a barrel.

You have to gang rush the ****er and stab him, bite him, poke his eyes. take scissors to his face. You have to try to survive.

Of course the standard protocol is to shut the door, turn the lights off and hide under a desk.

Fine and dandy, but at some point you have to fight back.
 
What is the insane incessant desire for individuals to turn everything over to the Federal Govt? The Federal Govt can barely screen passengers at airports effectively. The Fed govt is the equivalent of Ollie Luck........everything they touch turns to a confusing, bureaucratically controlled shit storm...........and yet we have the same kind of feel good, do gooders, sheep... that seem to pray to mother govt to save them from themselves.


They are sheep and they will keep doing so until they are subjects.
 
While you may need one, that's not the proposal.

The proposal would be to obtain a "Permit to Purchase". This permit would require a background check, mental health screening, and gun safety course. It would be renewed every 5 years.

So you are saying that you would need a mental health screening every 5 years if you want to buy new guns??
 
So you are saying that you would need a mental health screening every 5 years if you want to buy new guns??

Why not? What are you afraid of??

I may need a new shotgun or deer rifle in a few years......I'd have no problem with it.
 
Why not? Well, beyond the fact I don't believe the Fed govt has any right to maintain my personal health or mental records......for a whole host of reasons too long to list here.

Do you think people who buy deer rifles need a mental screening? The liberal inside me answers... yes. Bambi is such an innocent evolved creature. Besides, everyone knows real hunters don't use guns. Bow and arrow all the way. Guns are an unfair advantage and we all know how bad being "unfair" is in today's world.

Lets also hope Obummercare pays for that mental health screening if it ever comes to that. Can you imagine all the irate big govt gun owning types who would bitch about having to pay for their own screening............

better yet........lets just go ahead and assert that everyone should just go ahead and have a mental screening every 5 years whether you want a gun or not. I mean, think how much "prevention" the Fed Govt could enforce if they just go ahead and make it mandatory in an effort to insure our safety from potential kooks out there. Can you imagine how low the crime rates would drop if the govt knew whether you had a criminal mentality. Start building the govt mental hospitals and jail expansions now. Move people right in because of a poor screening determined by the all knowing govt of course.
 
Why not? Well, beyond the fact I don't believe the Fed govt has any right to maintain my personal health or mental records......for a whole host of reasons too long to list here.

Do you think people who buy deer rifles need a mental screening? The liberal inside me answers... yes. Bambi is such an innocent evolved creature. Besides, everyone knows real hunters don't use guns. Bow and arrow all the way. Guns are an unfair advantage and we all know how bad being "unfair" is in today's world.

Lets also hope Obummercare pays for that mental health screening if it ever comes to that. Can you imagine all the irate big govt gun owning types who would bitch about having to pay for their own screening............

better yet........lets just go ahead and assert that everyone should just go ahead and have a mental screening every 5 years whether you want a gun or not. I mean, think how much "prevention" the Fed Govt could enforce if they just go ahead and make it mandatory in an effort to insure our safety from potential kooks out there. Can you imagine how low the crime rates would drop if the govt knew whether you had a criminal mentality. Start building the govt mental hospitals and jail expansions now. Move people right in because of a poor screening determined by the all knowing govt of course.

And.....Their you go. Someone proposes a change to gun laws and the nuts go off the deep end.

"They'll come get my guns!" "They'll just start screening everyone!" "Oh God, we'll turn communist!"

So, people pay $120 to renew their Driver License every 5-10 years but God forbid they pay $100 to have a Gun Purchase Permit! They might not be able to afford that $1000 AR-15!!! Oh dear!!!
 
And.....Their you go. Someone proposes a change to gun laws and the nuts go off the deep end.

"They'll come get my guns!" "They'll just start screening everyone!" "Oh God, we'll turn communist!"

So, people pay $120 to renew their Driver License every 5-10 years but God forbid they pay $100 to have a Gun Purchase Permit! They might not be able to afford that $1000 AR-15!!! Oh dear!!!

You didn't propose a change to gun laws. You proposed the government get involved in health screenings. WHo is going to pay for it? Who is going to host the data and control it? You want the feds having that access and control?

Driving is not considered a right and is controlled by states. Cars are as dangerous as guns, if not more, and I don't recall ever taking a mental health screening to get one.

Mental health screening to go buy a shotgun to rabbit hunt with?
 
Aurora, Newtown, Blacksburg, and most likely Oregon......None of those would have passed even a basic mental health screening.
 
My wife is a teacher and I have told her you can't just sit there and let the bastards shoot you like fish in a barrel.

You have to gang rush the ****er and stab him, bite him, poke his eyes. take scissors to his face. You have to try to survive.

Of course the standard protocol is to shut the door, turn the lights off and hide under a desk.

Fine and dandy, but at some point you have to fight back.


I tell my wife to keep a can of wasp spray in her desk - the stuff that shoots 30 feet. If someone comes in and tries to wreak havoc, shoot at their head with it - its more powerful than mace or pepper spray.
 
Why not? What are you afraid of??

I may need a new shotgun or deer rifle in a few years......I'd have no problem with it.[/QUOTE
Cocky the federal background check system woukd have prevented the charleston shot for purchasing a gun. It failed how about we just do what is supposed to be done already and see what happens
 
And.....Their you go. Someone proposes a change to gun laws and the nuts go off the deep end.

"They'll come get my guns!" "They'll just start screening everyone!" "Oh God, we'll turn communist!"

So, people pay $120 to renew their Driver License every 5-10 years but God forbid they pay $100 to have a Gun Purchase Permit! They might not be able to afford that $1000 AR-15!!! Oh dear!!!

Now you are just making up shit. Where did I say that? Stick with the stupid mental health screening you brought up, which was my focus. You suggested the law that requires the govt to provide mental screenings. I simply took it beyond using the typical well intentioned, govt protection, liberal logic that always plays out when the govt gets involved. Of course, when these new laws don't work and some half cocked lunatic still ends up killing a few people with a gun....what next? You like asking questions. What next? Well.....here is what we will hear...yet again......after new law, after new law, after new law, after new law....is/has been created...and someone still dies.

"Why is this still happening?" "Why cant this senseless violence be stopped?" "Why do innocent people continue to die?" "What can be done?" "Something has to be done!!" I can hear the moaning and bitching and crying now. And the same sheep will line up thinking that a new law or restriction on individuals will prevent this from occurring....when in the end...it wont.
 
Now you are just making up shit. Where did I say that? Stick with the stupid mental health screening you brought up, which was my focus. You suggested the law that requires the govt to provide mental screenings. I simply took it beyond using the typical well intentioned, govt protection, liberal logic that always plays out when the govt gets involved. Of course, when these new laws don't work and some half cocked lunatic still ends up killing a few people with a gun....what next? You like asking questions. What next? Well.....here is what we will hear...yet again......after new law, after new law, after new law, after new law....is/has been created...and someone still dies.

"Why is this still happening?" "Why cant this senseless violence be stopped?" "Why do innocent people continue to die?" "What can be done?" "Something has to be done!!" I can hear the moaning and bitching and crying now. And the same sheep will line up thinking that a new law or restriction on individuals will prevent this from occurring....when in the end...it wont.

Yeah....Screw it. 45 school shootings and 290+ mass shootings this year. Let's just do nothing.

Move along, nothing to see here.
 
Yeah....Screw it. 45 school shootings and 290+ mass shootings this year. Let's just do nothing.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Yeah, but its against the law to bring a gun onto school property. How many those mass shootings were with a deer rifle? Again, more laws and more laws and more laws......
 
Yeah....Screw it. 45 school shootings and 290+ mass shootings this year. Let's just do nothing.

Move along, nothing to see here.
Link to those stats? If it's the stats in thinking they are including gang shootings that occurred not during school hours suicides at school etc
 
Just like I said they include suicides fans related shootings etc. you are sensationalizing when you say school shootings
 
I tell my wife to keep a can of wasp spray in her desk - the stuff that shoots 30 feet. If someone comes in and tries to wreak havoc, shoot at their head with it - its more powerful than mace or pepper spray.


Honestly if I were a teacher I would consider carrying and keeping my mouth shut. Some kind of mouse gun in deep concealment.;)

The wasp spray is a good idea.
 
You think the 2nd Amendment is why we didn't have Hitler here? Really...

I'm not gonna even try. You're to far gone.

I am sure it helps keep Dictators at bay. Why do you think it is guaranteed by the founders? They lived under a tyrant.

In addition I love it when the Europeans use Germany and Europe as an example we should follow. Have you seen European history?
 
I am sure it helps keep Dictators at bay. Why do you think it is guaranteed by the founders? They lived under a tyrant.

In addition I love it when the Europeans use Germany and Europe as an example we should follow. Have you seen European history?

You do realize that the whole world is laughing at us. ISIS doesn't need to send any terrorists over here. We're doing fine killing each other on our own.

What is wrong with sensible gun control?
 
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You do realize that the whole world is laughing at us. ISIS doesn't need to send any terrorists over here. We're doing fine killing each other on our own.

What is wrong with sensible gun control?


We have sensible gun control already.

Why don't you guys just admit that in your nirvana world you would like to see all guns go away.
 
You do realize that the whole world is laughing at us. ISIS doesn't need to send any terrorists over here. We're doing fine killing each other on our own.

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Most of them cry for our help and leadership when their shit hits the fan anyway. Besides, don't most of you pacifist normally demand we (the US) mind our own business??? Shouldn't we stay out of others state of affairs. But yet....we are also supposed to care what others think of us, and bend to their agendas (despite their failures)?? Guys like you are laughable (and dumb).
 
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