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Why are Democrats stonewalling access to Epstein's flight logs?

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Is Congress really going to have to subpoena them? Why are Democrats making EVERYTHING so difficult? Do they have something to hide or what? One would think they would WANT to make those who participated be held accountable. I mean, Trump was on his plane at some point as well. If Trump was involved, I would like to know. I would like to know ALL who was involved....Then imprison them, if found guilty. It just seems strange that Republicans are searching and Democrats are blocking them. A LOT of big names were flying around with Epstein. It's a shame that Epstein committed "suicide".... :rolleyes:

LINK: Calls are growing for Congress to subpoena convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs in order to identify possible perpetrators who may have partaken in his sex trafficking ring.

In a Monday letter to the House Oversight Committee, Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., said there were still many unanswered questions surrounding Epstein's operation, including the identities of "America's most powerful and well-known people" who may have been involved.

"The American people have a right to know who took part in Epstein's disgusting business that ruined so many lives," Burchett wrote. "More importantly, their victims deserve justice and accountability."

Burchett also accused Senate Democrats of recently blocking an effort by Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., to subpoena the flight logs. In a statement following the letter, Burchett accused Democrats of "stonewalling" attempts to get them.

"This shouldn’t be a partisan issue, but Senate Democrats completely disrespected my friend Marsha’s attempts to find out who participated in Epstein’s disgusting business so we can hold them accountable," Burchett said. "We should all be concerned about the horrors of sex trafficking, especially when it involves kids, but I’ll call on Republicans to show some leadership in this field if the Democrats insist on stonewalling it like this."

Blackburn first moved for the flight records to be subpoenaed in early November in response to efforts by Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee to target justices on the Supreme Court. She then unsuccessfully moved to force a subpoena during a hearing on Nov. 30.

The failure of that effort Blackburn blamed on Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the committee chair.

"Durbin BLOCKED my request to subpoena Jeffrey Epstein’s flight logs. What are Democrats trying to hide?," Blackburn posted on X after calling it a "sad day in the history of the prestigious Judiciary Committee."

In a statement following the failed subpoena attempt, Blackburn said Democrats "don’t want to have a conversation about the estate of Jeffrey Epstein to find out the names of every person who participated in Jeffrey Epstein’s human trafficking ring."

A Democrat aide to the committee told Fox News Digital that Durbin made clear he was willing to stay all day in order to allow Republicans to offer as well as debate the 177 amendments that they filed ahead of the hearing, and that the committee would vote on the subpoena authorization after.

However, several Republicans on the committee allegedly began to filibuster and didn't allow Blackburn to offer the first amendment to the authorization, the aide added.

Dubbed by some in the media as "The Lolita Express," Epstein's plane was allegedly used to fly underage girls to his private island in the Carribean, as well as his other homes around the U.S. and other parts of the world.

A number of big-name actors, politicians and other public figures have reportedly been passengers on the plane at some point, including former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, Prince Andrew, billionaire businessman Bill Gates and a number of others.

There is currently no evidence to suggest anyone who flew on Epstein's plane participated in any crime.

Epstein pleaded not guilty to sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy in July 2019 in a New York court after being accused of having preyed on dozens of victims as young as 14.

He was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell the following month. His death was ruled a suicide.

Epstein previously pleaded guilty in Florida to charges of soliciting and procuring a person under age 18 for prostitution.
 
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this is why they are making it hard
 
Well looky there, Fux gave you the answer to your question:

There is currently no evidence to suggest anyone who flew on Epstein's plane participated in any crime.
Dude flew people around for legit reasons. Dude flew people around for nefarious reasons. A log is meaningless without distinction between the two, and frankly releasing the log is borderline slanderous. For example, your dude is believed to be on the log....you think he raped underage girls?
 
Well looky there, Fux gave you the answer to your question:


Dude flew people around for legit reasons. Dude flew people around for nefarious reasons. A log is meaningless without distinction between the two, and frankly releasing the log is borderline slanderous. For example, your dude is believed to be on the log....you think he raped underage girls?
On a serious note , I think most people understand that many including people like RFK j,r took flights that had nothing to do with the dark side of things that took place on the Island. I do think that all things considered it would be appropriate to release the logs and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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I do think that all things considered it would be appropriate to release the logs and let the chips fall where they may.
For those of us smart enough to understand it is worthless without the context of an investigation to distinguish the rapers from the innocent, sure. I'm just convinced the majority of people are not that smart....and that includes Marsha Blackburn, who is certifiably dumber than a rock.
 
For those of us smart enough to understand it is worthless without the context of an investigation to distinguish the rapers from the innocent, sure. I'm just convinced the majority of people are not that smart....and that includes Marsha Blackburn, who is certifiably dumber than a rock.
Wouldn’t the logs show who flew to the island?
 
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On a serious note , I think most people understand that many including people like RFK j,r took flights that had nothing to do with the dark side of things that took place on the Island. I do think that all things considered it would be appropriate to release the logs and let the chips fall where they may.
I’ve been the biggest supporter of RFK Jr on this board. My issue isn’t with him, but that he admits his wife was friends with Ghislaine. Now she may not have known that someone she is close to is involved in sex trafficking, but it’s concerning.
 
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Epstein with high probability was working for a high level intellgence agency to some degree or some level.. When you look at his past, upbringing and connections it points to that. Maybe more than one. Probable ones were the Israelis and/or CIA. Maybe both.

When you can frame powerful people then you can get things done. You have something on them.
 
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For those of us smart enough to understand it is worthless without the context of an investigation to distinguish the rapers from the innocent, sure. I'm just convinced the majority of people are not that smart....and that includes Marsha Blackburn, who is certifiably dumber than a rock.
Ahh now we don't want to slander people. Good to know mr trump got golden showers
 
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Ahh now we don't want to slander people. Good to know mr trump got golden showers
I'm on the record here that golden showers from hot Russian hookers are OK in my book. Whatever floats your boat among consenting adults. If you want to start a book banning club and go after gays, it's your business if you engage in mutual box munching. Same idea. Why are y'all not talking about that? I'd definitely plow her from behind while she 69'ed another chick.
 
Not only does it appear democrats don’t want any info on Epstein released, it’s a little weird they act like everything is wrapped up & not worth further investigation
 
He was video taping nearly everyone who would come to one of his properties. He would use the tapes to "blackmail". He was likely sharing the videos. Some did bad things and some did not. Example, he would have a party. There were cameras everywhere. The ones who wanted to participate in bad acts would stay and participate. Epstein would have video of them and they would be blackmailed. He likely sold them or was also working with high level intelligence agencies. That connection gets blury, but it points to that.

If all his data were exposed it would likely take down some high level people. Shawn Ryan has a good podcast with a guy who has researched Epstein for years.

Epstein was likely connected to the CIA(when you connect the dots) and the Israeli's. They would like his info as well. Mr Senator we need this bill passed or blocked or we need this approval. Go to Hell, no way. Mr Senator how would your wife like to see this pictures of you and this 14 year old girl. Or maybe not 14 this woman and you. Same for business people and some high profile legal people.

Not all people participated, but there were some poweful ones that did. It was also in the intellgence agencies best interest for Mr Esptein to go away. At some point he was a liability, knew too much himself, and at the end of the day he was a pedophile himself, a bad one.
 
Yeah, if they want to get something they should be looking for the video tapes the FBI took from his ranch. It’s been reported that there were cameras everywhere and a video control center, but no videos. Really?
 
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Not only does it appear democrats don’t want any info on Epstein released, it’s a little weird they act like everything is wrapped up & not worth further investigation
Not Congress' job. I'd even say politicians are the last people I would want doing this.

Teams be damned, the videos should be examined and everyone on them doing anything illegal should be prosecuted.
This is the correct answer.
 
That's criminal too.

Call in the FBI and question them if you wish. Just wanting the list to release is 100% about sensationalism. It's tabloid level shit.
I agree on the list because devoid of context it is, as you said, borderline slanderous just by implication. If no one else is reviewing the tapes, quite possibly because they’re on them, congress would have the authority to go do that.

Not that I really trust the current congress to do that but they’d have the authority, and someone ought to.
 
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Not Congress' job. I'd even say politicians are the last people I would want doing this.


This is the correct answer.
They don't /carn't open them up. Dig deep enough and what they might find. Not just the sex stuff, but who's paycheck Epstein was on.

CIA and others not going to let that happen.
 
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They shouldn't look into it, no. It's purely a criminal matter, and Mrs. Home Ec isn't qualified unless it involved sewing or baking.

And it's just a coincidence that some high-profile people, including politicians, are part of this. If it were people like you and me, they would have instantly handed over the flight logs. How many have lied and said they were never on a plane with Epstein or at his Island? If the flight logs prove otherwise, then we have to wonder why they lied.

It's almost as if you're afraid to find out what's going on. I would love to know. I don't want to unknowingly support anyone who was involved. No evidence? Then why are they afraid to hand them over? Why do they have to be forced? We The People deserve to know "the types" we vote to govern us. I wouldn't back Trump in no way, shape or form, if he were invloved. I couldn't vote for either Trump or Pedo-Joe. We don't get to hide from the law. Why should they? If they're innocent, they have nothing to worry about.
 
That's criminal too.

The same FBI who was ready to give Coker Biden a slap on the wrist? The FBI is there to protect Hilliary, homObama, Pedo-Joe...etc and take down Trump. You know it too. The FBI deliberately ran with PROVEN false evidence, derived from the left to take down Trump. No one can deny that. But it has been there at every turn to protect high-profile Democrats. But, like most bleaters, you're all in.
 
The same FBI who was ready to give Coker Biden a slap on the wrist? The FBI is there to protect Hilliary, homObama, Pedo-Joe...etc and take down Trump. You know it too. The FBI deliberately ran with PROVEN false evidence, derived from the left to take down Trump. No one can deny that. But it has been there at every turn to protect high-profile Democrats. But, like most bleaters, you're all in.
I can’t decide if the Hillary or Obama name calling is less unoriginal or sad.
 
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I can’t decide if the Hillary or Obama name calling is less unoriginal or sad.

Hilliary earned her nickname for lying out her ass over emails, Benghazi and Russia Collusion in an attempt to take down her political opponent. homObama earned his when he discussed having homosexual fantasies.

In regard to homosexuality, I must say that I believe this is an attempt to remove oneself from the present, a refusal perhaps to perpetuate the endless farce of earthly life,” homoObama, then 21, wrote in November 1982. ”You see, I make love to men daily, but in the imagination.
 
Hilliary earned her nickname for lying out her ass over emails, Benghazi and Russia Collusion in an attempt to take down her political opponent. homObama earned his when he discussed having homosexual fantasies.

In regard to homosexuality, I must say that I believe this is an attempt to remove oneself from the present, a refusal perhaps to perpetuate the endless farce of earthly life,” homoObama, then 21, wrote in November 1982. ”You see, I make love to men daily, but in the imagination.
Hilliary wouldn’t be pronounced how you’re thinking though. Like maybe “Hil-lie-ry” would work? Clienton? I dunno but back to the workshop on it.
 
Hilliary wouldn’t be pronounced how you’re thinking though. Like maybe “Hil-lie-ry” would work? Clienton? I dunno but back to the workshop on it.

It's why liar is italicized. I add the 'i' to spell out liar, because that's what she is and her bleaters couldn't care less.

Hil-liar-y. Not going back to the "workshop"...Deal with it. 😉
 
Dig deep enough and what they might find. Not just the sex stuff, but who's paycheck Epstein was on.

CIA and others not going to let that happen
Shit, most Republicans are not going to let that happen right now with the strongest possibility in a war.
If it were people like you and me, they would have instantly handed over the flight logs.
We don't have the scratch to sue the shit out of the government. So of course not. Perhaps you should become a socialist and fight economic inequality.
I don't want to unknowingly support anyone who was involved
If all you want is the flight logs and will be making judgements based on that, I take it you won't be voting for Trump.
homObama earned his when he discussed having homosexual fantasies.
Who cares. Bigot.
 
Shit, most Republicans are not going to let that happen right now with the strongest possibility in a war.

We don't have the scratch to sue the shit out of the government. So of course not. Perhaps you should become a socialist and fight economic inequality.

If all you want is the flight logs and will be making judgements based on that, I take it you won't be voting for Trump.

Who cares. Bigot.
I agree your response to me. Epstein while a pervert pedo, was also working for someone, or multiple agencies. They don't want that ever coming out. Hell some of them may not even know. Most of them probably don't know.
 
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I agree your response to me. Epstein while a pervert pedo, was also working for someone, or multiple agencies. They don't want that ever coming out. Hell some of them may not even know. Most of them probably don't know.

And that's why we need to know.
 
And that's why we need to know.
Won't happen, likely. Buried, highly compartmentalized. Probably only highest levels would have access to it and some it is probably not legal(understatement). Plus, if it was running through a foreign agency then it wouldn't be our govt's to access.

My theory is he was probably on the payroll of a foreign govt, likely Israel and they were sharing with our CIA to some capacity. There may be nothing anyone could find because of that.

My guess is their intel agnencies have hours and hours of terrible footage as well. They had Epstein over a barrell and the people in the videos over a barrell.
 
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