will you be able to keep your doctor (or any doctor for that matter)

[dherd]

potus asking a court to throw out major elements, including hugely popular provisions that protect sick people from being denied health insurance or charged higher rates.

President Trump called it one of the law’s “strongest assets” during an interview with “60 Minutes” shortly after he won the election.

“There’s nothing quite like the administration taking an action in court to illustrate the simple fact that they are still coming after your health care.”

“creates further uncertainty that could ultimately result in higher costs for millions of Americans and undermine essential protections for people with pre-existing conditions, such as asthma, cancer, heart disease, arthritis and diabetes.”

Asked about the Justice Department move, Jesse Hunt, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, spoke instead about the Democrats.

unlawful act by potus
The Trump administration’s move fueled accusations that it was politicizing the Justice Department, which is supposed to defend the constitutionality of federal statutes in court — even if the administration in power does not like them — if reasonable arguments can be made.

Three career lawyers in the department’s civil division withdrew from the case earlier on Thursday and did not sign the brief. “Such withdrawals are exceedingly rare — typically only when the argument is indefensible, as they are here.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/...ghlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection

 

[big_country90]

There’s nothing quite like forcing other people to pay for things you want, is there dtard?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

There’s nothing quite like forcing other people to pay for things you want, is there dtard?

I don't know, maybe forcing people to not be able to pay for something they want...

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

It's interesting the two things that government has their paws deeply within have seen their costs skyrocket.

Speaking of course of both Healthcare and education.

 

[Chevy1]

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There’s nothing quite like forcing other people to pay for things you want, is there dtard?

Never really understood this position. What happens to folks when they don't have insurance? They go bankrupt if there's any kind of a health issue, and healthcare expenses are the #1 reason for Bankruptcy in the US. That means creditors don't get paid. Also, since they don't have insurance, they go to the emergency room to get treatment. Hospitals can't deny treatment so they raise the cost on those who can pay - those who have insurance.

The result of those leaving the insurance pool will be higher rates and less coverage for those who do have insurance. We saw this movie during the middle part of the last decade. It's the reason Obamacare exists.

 

[Chevy1]

It's interesting the two things that government has their paws deeply within have seen their costs skyrocket.

Speaking of course of both Healthcare and education.

Keep - one the things that most disturbs me is the expense of a college education for today's young people. I attended Marshall many years ago....tuition was $500 a semester. Why was it so low? It was low in large part due to state support which has fallen greatly over the years. Back then, a young person could put themselves through college....today, no way.

https://www.chronicle.com/interactives/statesupport

As the Feds provided less support to the states.....states had to cut support to higher education. Now, that's not the only issue, but, as you can see from the attached link, it's a significant one.

Also, if you check the rate of health insurance increase.....you'll notice it was higher during the first part of the 2000 decade than it was after Obamacare. Now, I'm not sure Obamacare was the best way to go - probably not....but I do know the Republican plan of doing nothing was insanity. This is the issue that pushed me away from the Republican Party, and I had voted Republican for decades.

https://www.thebalance.com/causes-of-rising-healthcare-costs-4064878

 

[raleighherdfan]

The result of those leaving the insurance pool will be higher rates

Not exactly correct.

 

[Chevy1]

The Harvard's Review's take on people leaving the insurance pool:
https://hbr.org/2017/12/how-the-new-u-s-tax-plan-will-affect-health-care

Also, Consumer Reports had a good article discussing Obamacare, and its impact on bankruptcies due to healthcare.....
https://www.consumerreports.org/personal-bankruptcy/how-the-aca-drove-down-personal-bankruptcy/

 

[raleighherdfan]

The Harvard's Review's take on people leaving the insurance pool:
https://hbr.org/2017/12/how-the-new-u-s-tax-plan-will-affect-health-care

Also, Consumer Reports had a good article discussing Obamacare, and its impact on bankruptcies due to healthcare.....
https://www.consumerreports.org/personal-bankruptcy/how-the-aca-drove-down-personal-bankruptcy/

Harvard review uses the CBO. The problem with that is that the same CBO also suggested a "decrease" in premiums when Obummacare was originally passed. Instead....employer based health plan premiums skyrocketed (due to more "sick" people being added to the pools) and many individual plans disappeared.

Under Obummercare, the medicare/caid reforms resulted in docs and other healthcare providers/ systems being paid less. (That will continue regardless of ACA due to CMS policy and a "value based" reimbursement system currently being developed and implemented in various markets). Obummercare helped instigate an onslaught of merger and acquisition activity across the healthcare system. (It is continuing today). IMO, this alone will account for much of the increase in "costs" to those looking to buy healthcare services in the coming years.

Consumer reports points out correctly that the biggest reason for reduced bankruptcies during that period were changes in bankruptcy law, and improving economy. What were the %s of people claiming bankruptcy for purely health bill related debts prior?

 

[Chevy1]

Harvard review uses the CBO. The problem with that is that the same CBO also suggested a "decrease" in premiums when Obummacare was originally passed. Instead....employer based health plan premiums skyrocketed (due to more "sick" people being added to the pools) and many individual plans disappeared.

Under Obummercare, the medicare/caid reforms resulted in docs and other healthcare providers/ systems being paid less. (That will continue regardless of ACA due to CMS policy and a "value based" reimbursement system currently being developed and implemented in various markets). Obummercare helped instigate an onslaught of merger and acquisition activity across the healthcare system. (It is continuing today). IMO, this alone will account for much of the increase in "costs" to those looking to buy healthcare services in the coming years.

Consumer reports points out correctly that the biggest reason for reduced bankruptcies during that period were changes in bankruptcy law, and improving economy. What were the %s of people claiming bankruptcy for purely health bill related debts prior?

The Harvard Review cites the impact those leaving the insurance pool will have on the overall population. Not sure what the hell you're talking about.

Also, the consumer reports article doesnt state the change in bankruptcy laws was the "biggest reason" for the decrease...but noted it was a contributing factor.

 

[raleighherdfan]

The Harvard Review cites the impact those leaving the insurance pool will have on the overall population. Not sure what the hell you're talking about.

Based on CBO data. From your article....

According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the repeal of the individual mandate penalties could result in as many as 13 million fewer Americans having health insurance. About 5 million are projected to be people who previously bought health insurance as individuals either within or outside the ACA’s marketplaces. Some will choose not to buy insurance because the penalty has disappeared. Others, especially higher-income individuals who don’t qualify for subsidies under the ACA, will drop insurance because of increases in average premiums predicted by the CBO.

The same CBO that predicted lower premiums if ACA was passed. Totally wrong then....totally wrong now.

As for bankruptcy.....your article:

the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 made it more difficult for consumers to file for bankruptcy. The law required credit counseling and income verification and forced many consumers to seek protection under Chapter 13, which restructures, but does not eliminate, most debt. The piles of paperwork also meant most filers needed a lawyer, which made bankruptcy more costly and therefore not an option for many poor consumers.
Then there was the economy. After a slow and steady recovery following the housing crisis of 2008, Leibowitz explains that American consumers generally had fewer problems with their mortgages, better employment prospects, and greater access to credit, which made them less likely to file.
The final factor, according to Leibowitz, has been the ACA, which afforded health coverage to many more consumers and expanded protections for all.

 

[Chevy1]

The first two paragraphs of the Harvard Review article....sums up their findings:
The new Republican tax bill, which the House passed this afternoon and the Senate is expected to approve tonight, is complex, but what it will mean for health in the United States is simple: less.

It will mean less health insurance for individuals; less coverage for elderly and poor Americans; less revenue for doctors, hospitals, and myriad health care businesses; and, quite possibly, a less-healthy, less-productive workforce.

And for Chissakes, the title of the Consumer Reports article is: How the Affordable Care Act Drove Down Personal Bankruptcy . Don't understand why you want to attribute the decrease largely to change in bankruptcy laws per this article.

As legislators and the executive branch renew their efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act this week, they might want to keep in mind a little-known financial consequence of the ACA: Since its adoption, far fewer Americans have taken the extreme step of filing for personal bankruptcy.

The many experts we interviewed also pointed to two other contributing factors: an improving economy and changes to bankruptcy laws in 2005 that made it more difficult and costly to file. However, they almost all agreed that expanded health coverage played a major role in the marked, recent decline.

 

[raleighherdfan]

The first two paragraphs of the Harvard Review article....sums up their findings:

And I also told you why the source (of their opinion-CBO) was wrong then and will most likely be wrong now.

I also explained why the assertion “less pay for doctors,hospitals...” was misleading based on policy and planning outside the ACA driving it.

Don't understand why you want to attribute the decrease largely to change in bankruptcy laws per this article.

Because it makes more sense that the changing of bankruptcy laws (harder to accomplish, reduced opportunity to eliminate unsecured debt like medical bills) would be the major factor when deciding whether to file bankruptcy.

I am not denying medical bills didn’t play some part in bankruptcy decisions in the past, but attempting to say the ACA was a major reason overall bankruptcy filings dropped is absurd when looking at all the other factors (economy, bankruptcy law). Yet another politically motivated article

 

[Chevy1]

You post your opinion and state it as what was written in the article......