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Carter was not a good President, but it's hard to say he was ever not a good person.
 
Jimmy Carter a good human being. Jimm Carter a bad, make that terrible, President.

It is funny how all this time later folks are trying to make him out to be a great President. He was awful.
 
the measure of a great president is the ability to see around the corner.
NEVER FORGET.
jimmy carter put solar panels on the white house.
ronald reagan had them removed.
i think that also sums up the way the two parties govern.
one always trying to pull the nation back in time, the other
always moving the nation forward into a prosperous and
stable future.
 
As I sit here and read your post, you got me to thinking about how damn nice it would be to go back in time, a time when men could be men, and other countries knew better than to mess with the good ole USofA. Now days, fruits are looked upon as being normal, and men have been turned into scared little old women.

I'm guessing it won't be long until we have a full pledged homo running the show. Hell, maybe some of the ex Presidents were queers. I'm not sure, but I do know it would be nice to go back to the way things were. Even the queers and hippies stayed out in California back then. The rest of them took up their proper residence in the closet.
 
dherd said:
the measure of a great president is the ability to see around the corner.
NEVER FORGET.
jimmy carter put solar panels on the white house.
ronald reagan had them removed.
i think that also sums up the way the two parties govern.
one always trying to pull the nation back in time, the other
always moving the nation forward into a prosperous and
stable future.
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Jimmy Carter also had to ration gasoline during his presidency
 
ah yes.....the promise of solar energy. Where subsidies are still needed to keep the lights on by political hacks........... just before they get turned off. Solyndra anyone??? Anyone???
 
extragreen said:
Carter presided over an increase of about 10 million employed in 4 years. Does that make it ok for the guy you voted for twice to have a net increase of 1 million in 8 years?
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Glad to know Carter was a good President. Can some of you guys ever stay on topic? This is about Jimmy Carter, a pretty well documented terrible President by all accounts.
 
If Greed were honest (which he isn't) he would use the same excuse for Carter that he does for Obummer................(carter) inherited an economy (that produced 10 mil more jobs)
 
herdfan429 said:
Is Obama responsible for the almost 4% drop in the labor participation rate?
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Was Obama president in January of 2007?
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Between jan 2007 and jan 2008 the rate dropped from 66.4 to 66.2 for a percentage decline of 0.3%. Obama was inaugurated in jan of 2008 and since then the labor force participation rate has declined to 62.6 for a percent decline of 5.7%. Now just because you are you Im going to compare that to Bushs presidency. The BLS data listed on their website goes back to 2005. The labor force rate in Jan 2005 was 65.8 when bush left office it was 66.2. Now will you answer my question. Is Obama responsible for an almost 4% drop in labor force participation rate?
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
 
Obama was inaugurated in 2009. And the labor force participation rate was 65.7 at the time. Bush started with a 67.2%. That's a 1.5% drop while only suffering the effect of the recession for 1 year. The drop under Obama has been 3.1. He would be responsible for the entire loss of labor force participation if he were inaugurated in Jan 2001.
 
extragreen said:
Obama was inaugurated in 2009. And the labor force participation rate was 65.7 at the time. Bush started with a 67.2%. That's a 1.5% drop while only suffering the effect of the recession for 1 year. The drop under Obama has been 3.1. He would be responsible for the entire loss of labor force participation if he were inaugurated in Jan 2001.
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You are correct sorry it was a long day yesterday. Either way Obama has to be responsible especially since he was in office for only 6 months before the recession ended and the labor force participation rate continued falling
 
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herdfan429 said:
You are correct sorry it was a long day yesterday. Either way Obama has to be responsible especially since he was in office for only 6 months before the recession ended and the labor force participation rate continued falling
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Greed wants it both ways. He claims Obumma is not responsible for anything after his election, then attempts, "only if he had been elected in 2001" line. This is hilarious, considering that based on his often used, premise of "inheriting", it could easily be said Bush "inherited" the recession caused by Bill Clintons "Dot-com" bust and Nasdaq implosion. This economic downturn of course was accelerated by the terrorists attacks of 2001.
 
How can he be responsible? The BLS stated in 2006 (2+ years before Obama took office) that the participation rate started it's decline in around 2000 and would continue to decline for the next 4 decades.
 
extragreen said:
How can he be responsible? The BLS stated in 2006 (2+ years before Obama took office) that the participation rate started it's decline in around 2000 and would continue to decline for the next 4 decades.
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Wow has Obama been responsible for anything during his presidency? Let me go ahead an answer for you, f it was positiveYEP YOU BETCHA if something negative happened NOPE SOMEONE ELSES FAULT
 
herdfan429 said:
Wow has Obama been responsible for anything during his presidency? Let me go ahead an answer for you, f it was positiveYEP YOU BETCHA if something negative happened NOPE SOMEONE ELSES FAULT
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Perhaps you need to instruct the BLS to stop issuing data that is contrary to your opinion.
 
Of course it will go down baby boomers are retiring. That doesn't dismiss Obama from any blame for hastening the decline. That's your problem. You think everything this black and white and happens in a vacuum. The real world doesn't work that way
 
You have an obama policy in mind that has hastened the decline in participation rate?
 
Just about everything the epa has done. Name an Obama policy that has gotten people back to work
 
herdfan429 said:
Just about everything the epa has done. Name an Obama policy that has gotten people back to work
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By law, EPA must set the air quality standard based on what the best science says is safe to breathe, and not on how much it will cost to get there. They are under court order to do so. I don't know how much leeway congress or the president has in implementation.

Obama policy that resulted in more people working:

stimulus
auto manufacturing bailout
Wall Street bailouts
fighting to prevent austerity measures

One failure....not enough done for the housing market. If that could be remedied, it would greatly help.
 
extragreen said:
By law, EPA must set the air quality standard based on what the best science says is safe to breathe, and not on how much it will cost to get there. They are under court order to do so. I don't know how much leeway congress or the president has in implementation.

Obama policy that resulted in more people working:

stimulus
auto manufacturing bailout
Wall Street bailouts
fighting to prevent austerity measures

One failure....not enough done for the housing market. If that could be remedied, it would greatly help.
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All those positives and still a decline. Bush implemented the auto and wall street bailouts.
 
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herdfan429 said:
All those positives and still a decline. Bush implemented the auto and wall street bailouts.
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Yes Bush was initially responsible, for about 17 of the 80 billion in the auto bailout. That may have been Bush's best decision while in office, as it gave time for the next administration to gauge what could be further done. The wall street bailouts were implemented before Obama, and he was responsible for implementation for the most part.

Are you still focused on the labor force participation? We'd all like for it to be better, but there's a matter of high retirement, increase on college admission, and the Great Recession to recover from.
 
The only reason Obama will be looked upon favorably in 20 years is because he is black.
 
Extra, you used to say all the huge deficit problems obammer had were Bush's fault. Now, 5 years later, you are claiming that all those spending programs were obammer's? Wierd.
 
banker6796 said:
Extra, you used to say all the huge deficit problems obammer had were Bush's fault. Now, 5 years later, you are claiming that all those spending programs were obammer's? Wierd.
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It's not weird if you consider the conditions that fell in Obamas lap.
 
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