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Seriously, what is up with the US Navy?

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First, their guys like to write books and tell all the stuff and sayy look at me. They open up to Hollywood for movies, book deals, and speaking engagements. They relax standards at the Naval Acadamy(for their football players) so they can have a better football team. And, now this? They have basically been a PR firm for the White House. Hell, they had to write a public letter asking Navy Seals to stop talking.




WASHINGTON (AP) - The Navy secretary has spent more than a full year of his five-year tenure on overseas travel, racking up more than 930,000 miles on trips that cost taxpayers more than $4.7 million.


Ray Mabus, the former Mississippi governor, has taken at least 40 trips outside the U.S as of July 2014, meeting officials and visiting sailors and Marines in more than 100 countries, according to data obtained and compiled by The Associated Press - travel he said is critical to his job in furthering U.S. and Navy interests abroad.


The inspector general investigated after receiving a complaint about his travel and cleared him of any wrongdoing, Mabus said, but his 373 days on the road contrast with those of Army Secretary John McHugh, who took fewer than half the trips at less than half the cost over the same time period.


The travel costs come amid deep budget cuts across the Defense Department, including widespread efforts to slash headquarters spending, downsize the Army and Marine Corps, and cut back on acquisition programs, training and other costs.





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This frame grab of the US Navy website shows a mileage counter, right, of Navy Secretary Ray Mabus travels. Mabus …Those cuts, said Bryan Clark, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment, make it "even more important that senior leaders scrutinize their travel and make sure that the travel they're doing is essential."




Mabus is so proud of his travel he even has a mileage ticker on his Navy website, showing he has traveled 932,129 miles as of this week. About 100,000, or one-fifth, of sailors and Marines serve in foreign posts. And, he said, negotiating issues such as basing ships in Rota, Spain, is more effective face to face.


"You could do that in a phone call, I guess. You could send them a note," he said. "I don't think they take it nearly as seriously if you're not sitting across the table from them."


He noted that a female sailor on a stop in Hawaii complained to him that she felt she had no future as a nuclear officer because women couldn't serve on nuclear submarines. That conversation, said Mabus, led to his finalizing plans to allow women to serve on the subs.


"I think the return on investment for my travel has been phenomenal," Mabus told the AP.


McHugh oversees an Army of more than 508,000 active-duty soldiers, including more than 130,000 in foreign posts. He said he tries to go where large concentrations of soldiers are as well as countries where there are national security issues.


"I think a lot about the balance between the responsibilities of being here and the requirement to get out," McHugh said. "If someone were to ask me, have you traveled too little or too much - I'd say too little. I don't think you can ever be briefed in the Pentagon in a way that provides you an accurate perspective the way you can just seeing it on the ground for 10 minutes."


According to data provided by the Army, McHugh has traveled to 29 countries, including seven visits to Germany, a frequent refueling and crew rest stop. He's been to Afghanistan four times and Iraq three times and he's made three visits to South Korea, where the Army has had a permanent presence since the Korean war.


Mabus had visited 107 countries as of July, including stops at major Navy homeports such as Singapore, Bahrain, Italy and Japan, as well as Africa, where piracy and terrorism have been persistent problems. He's also traveled to Greenland, Iceland and Norway - including a snowmobile safari on the tiny island of Svalbard.

This post was edited on 11/18 1:41 PM by i am herdman
 
There have been tons of books written by former Rangers, Green Berets, Delta Force, etc.

It's just that the most recent stories that have gotten the most publicity and money, have involved SEALS.

Lone Survivor, Zero Dark Thirty, Bin Laden Raid..........
 
SEALs are morons, physically tough morons.

Most books by Rangers, CAG, SF are written by former service members. There are a lot of SEALs who write books, consult on video games and movies, go on national news while on the teams, that Hollywood mentality pisses me off. The civilian world has this hard on for SEALs, and it's only because every action hero is a former SEAL in the latest movies. In real life they can't cross the street in Baghdad without getting lost. Good thing they're in great shape because they'll run across that confusing bitch about a thousand times. That dumb knuckle dragger who claims to have killed UBL got out at 16 years and is mad because he isn't getting a full 20 yr retirement. The dude can't even count to 20 but he can run up a hill with a sandbag on his shoulder, so lets buy his book and put him on a pedestal.

Are there good SEALs out there, sure, but I will take a squad of Marines over a group of SEALs all day long.
 
Originally posted by CockyHerd:
There have been tons of books written by former Rangers, Green Berets, Delta Force, etc.

It's just that the most recent stories that have gotten the most publicity and money, have involved SEALS.

Lone Survivor, Zero Dark Thirty, Bin Laden Raid..........
No, there is a difference. Most of the others are Silent Professionals. The Seals are going public and going Hollywood. Their Seal Commander just wrote a public letter asking them to stop.
 
Originally posted by HerdFan76:

SEALs are morons, physically tough morons.

Most books by Rangers, CAG, SF are written by former service members. There are a lot of SEALs who write books, consult on video games and movies, go on national news while on the teams, that Hollywood mentality pisses me off. The civilian world has this hard on for SEALs, and it's only because every action hero is a former SEAL in the latest movies. In real life they can't cross the street in Baghdad without getting lost. Good thing they're in great shape because they'll run across that confusing bitch about a thousand times. That dumb knuckle dragger who claims to have killed UBL got out at 16 years and is mad because he isn't getting a full 20 yr retirement. The dude can't even count to 20 but he can run up a hill with a sandbag on his shoulder, so lets buy his book and put him on a pedestal.

Are there good SEALs out there, sure, but I will take a squad of Marines over a group of SEALs all day long.
So get this. He and the other guy are arguing over who actually shot OBL. The other guy who used the fake name and wrote the book came, with his agent, and spoke to my son's football team. He was an honest to God complete ass bag. I told my son, this guy may have shot OBL but he is a tool.

The boys would ask him questions like, "how did you get in shape to get ready for the Navy Seals."

His answer," I just showed the F*** Up and said **** It."

These boys were asking real questions and impressionable and that was his answers.

Or, "What was training like"

"t was real **** in hard and we did crazy ****in shi, it was like real life Holly ***in Wood", "I just kicked peoples ****'s in."

I am not kidding. He was a horrible ambassador for the US military. I was not impressed. He showed up with his agent, the author, and gave those type of answers. He was the other guy who is arguing with this current guy over who shot OBL.
 
Originally posted by HerdFan76:

SEALs are morons, physically tough morons.

Most books by Rangers, CAG, SF are written by former service members. There are a lot of SEALs who write books, consult on video games and movies, go on national news while on the teams, that Hollywood mentality pisses me off. The civilian world has this hard on for SEALs, and it's only because every action hero is a former SEAL in the latest movies. In real life they can't cross the street in Baghdad without getting lost. Good thing they're in great shape because they'll run across that confusing bitch about a thousand times. That dumb knuckle dragger who claims to have killed UBL got out at 16 years and is mad because he isn't getting a full 20 yr retirement. The dude can't even count to 20 but he can run up a hill with a sandbag on his shoulder, so lets buy his book and put him on a pedestal.

Are there good SEALs out there, sure, but I will take a squad of Marines over a group of SEALs all day long.

What has been going on recently with the release of these books and movies is disappointing.

However, to make the above statement regarding a division of our military is asinine.

A number of Rangers got paid through books and movies following the Battle of Mogadishu but since that time, the money has gotten ridiculous.

It doesn't justify what has been happening but the SEALS are the flavor of the month and have been involved in a number of high profile missions. Journalists got paid big time for 2nd hand acounts of many Special Forces missions and some of these guys just got lured in by the money.

I have 2 friends who are retired SEALS and you couldn't meet smarter, harder working individuals. One is a graduate of the Naval Academy and both are at the very top of their professions.

Again, whether you a agree or disagree with what these men have done, it doesn't jusify making generalized statements like the one above regarding some of bravest individuals on the planet.
 
Then they shouldn't generally be dickheads. You know two SEALs and I'm sure they are great guys. I've met, worked with and been around a ton of them. Of all the USASOC elements, they are the most immature and are technically and tactically behind the power curve. They get high profile missions? Not so much. They get credit for HVTs when the true quite professionals do the work. When Al Zakarwi (I'm not looking up the correct spelling of that assholes name), the #2 in Iraq got killed in '06 SEALs got credit for it. The story has been changed and corrected recently but you get the idea. I'm not putting the details on a message board but if you buy me a beer I'll give you a theoretical story.

My unit lived in Saddams palace during one rotation. We had our own compound away from the conventional guys with our own guard gate. Not even the base commander could come on our compound without an escort. Some dumbass SEAL blew threw it in a pickup truck one morning because he was either too conceited to think he had to stop and show his badge or too stupid to understand what a checkpoint is. He ran over a spike strip, blew all four of his tires and still drove the mile road that winds up to the palace where he parked. The entire SOTF was shutdown and we were all sweeping the area hunting what we thought could be a VBIED and suicide driver. In the meantime that moron SEAL was in a bunk taking a nap. That's one experience out of hundreds I've had with SEALs, so yeah, I can call them whatever the eff I want.

Herdmans quotes above are hilarious. Almost every conversation I've had or overheard with a SEAL sounds exactly like that. It's like they're given cue cards after BUD/S that they all memorize in between the hours they're jacking off to themselves in a mirror. Ask Herdman about SEALs getting lost and the soft MOS army guys that form up a convoy cell to rescue them, he has the exact same stories I do from friends and coworkers of his. Ever meet a SEAL in a bar? They can't wait to tell you who they are, there is ZERO opsec with those guys. They're on the same level as vegans, crossfitters and atheists (shoutout to GK!).

Like I said, I'm sure there are good ones, and I've even met a couple. But the majority absolutely suck at their job and at life.
 
Originally posted by HerdFan76:



Are there good SEALs out there, sure, but I will take a squad of Marines over a group of SEALs all day long.
Guess that mentality is why you were in the Corps or so from the post some would think , maybe not , maybe one that just tosses an opinion on something they know very little about.
 
I'm not in The Corps and if you read my other post you'll see I have first hand experience.
 
I was in the Corps, and I have trained with SEALS, Rangers, PJ's, British, ROK, and Aussie Marines, as well as a host of other military units across the world. SEALS, while I do respect them have always been overrated. They have an enormous budget, a lot of toys, and are no more specialized on any certain mission then a MEU. If given the equipment they use I could do the same mission with a squad of Marines the SEALS could do.
 
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