2014 vs. 2002 vs. 1999 by the Numbers

[Gochneaur645]

The 99 team didn't win that game because they had the ball last. They won because they held WMU to 10 points in the 2nd half while scoring 34, while the 14 team held WKU to 10 points in the 2nd half and scored 17. The second half was not a shoot out in either of the 2 games.

Once again extra skew shit, we out scored WKU 28-10 to close the game after a bad start

Extra is right. That game was 49-42 at the half and 59-59 after regulation so 17-10, not 28-10.

As for my comparison of those games, my point was that both were extraordinarily similar games where we played down to our opponent, got in a big hole, came back, and they both easily could have gone either way.

 

[extragreen]

"As for my comparison of those games, my point was that both were extraordinarily similar games where we played down to our opponent, got in a big hole, came back, and they both easily could have gone either way."

True.

 

[19MU88]

Guys who played in league or got chance in league from 1999 will far out number 2014

 

[19MU88]

unless you're using WVU math, VT wasn't undefeated that year. and in either case they weren't in that game. they also won 6, 3 of those losses were against teams that would've struggled to finish .500 in the mac. duke went 3-8, south carolina went 0-11, and unc went 3-8.

you do realize there was more at stake in the fsu/clemson game that year, right?

what the Bowden bowl, not sure what your dumbass is speaking about there? as far as the undefeated wvu math, the point is they were in the national title game. are you stupid? that's a little different than a wvu fan running off at the mouth about being undefeated with one loss.

Here is the 1999 sagarin for you to study. read slow and try and think about it. they were in top 25 with the # 7 schedule. game, set, match YOU LOSE.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/1999/teams/

 

[andy4theherd]

what the Bowden bowl, not sure what your dumbass is speaking about there? as far as the undefeated wvu math, the point is they were in the national title game. are you stupid? that's a little different than a wvu fan running off at the mouth about being undefeated with one loss.

Here is the 1999 sagarin for you to study. read slow and try and think about it. they were in top 25 with the # 7 schedule. game, set, match YOU LOSE.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/1999/teams/

come on now... everybody knows that Clemson team was mediocre, average, nothing special. 2014 WKU, UAB, and LA Tech would have stomped them...







i often wonder about the football intellect of those that pass off the Clemson win AT Clemson as nothing special...

 

[flairforherd]

This years defense was easily the 2nd best we have had and the best since the 99 squad.

Sorry, but no. I'd take the 96 team all day long over 2014. Offense, defense, whatever. Don't care if it was 1AA or not. That team finished with a higher Sagarin rating than 2014 did.

But your statement is partially correct. Since 96 was before 99, I'll give you that 2014 was the best since 99.

 

[19MU88]

I really enjoyed this past season, but I'd say 2014 could be anywhere from # 3 to outside of the top 5 at #6 or #7

 

[extragreen]

"Yeah, but if you want to nitpick, the 99 team tried to lose the MAC title game at HOME to a VERY average WMU team."

That 7-5 WMU team lost 3 of their games to teams ranked in the top 12 final rankings. Twice to the #10 team and once to the #12 team.

 

[Herd Fever]

That's cool, they are still losses right?? Sad we are left to extra justifying losses teams had to other teams. A loss is a loss in my book

 

[SHAMMOND16]

"Yeah, but if you want to nitpick, the 99 team tried to lose the MAC title game at HOME to a VERY average WMU team."

That 7-5 WMU team lost 3 of their games to teams ranked in the top 12 final rankings. Twice to the #10 team and once to the #12 team.

I didn't say the 7-5 Western Michigan team was bad. I just said they were very average...which they were.

They lost to 6-5 Toledo by 24 points between the games they lost to us. They squeaked by 4-7 EMU & 5-6 NIU by a field goal. They also lost to 4-7 Missouri by 2 TDs.

They were not a good team. They were average.

 

[andy4theherd]

That's cool, they are still losses right?? Sad we are left to extra justifying losses teams had to other teams. A loss is a loss in my book

and to play devil's advocate.... the 2014 team had one and the 1999 team didn't....

 

[sportsphantom1]

I didn't say the 7-5 Western Michigan team was bad. I just said they were very average...which they were.

They lost to 6-5 Toledo by 24 points between the games they lost to us. They squeaked by 4-7 EMU & 5-6 NIU by a field goal. They also lost to 4-7 Missouri by 2 TDs.

They were not a good team. They were average.

You could say the same thing about WKU not being a good team. WKU isnt as good as that Western Michigan team. WKU lost 5 games this year. One to a 3-9 FAU team another to a 6-6 MTU team, another to a 6-6 UAB team. They got embarrassed 59-10 against La Tech and lost another game to a 6-7 Big Ten team half the people on this forum said sucked. Western Michigan by comparison lost to Florida, Missouri, Marshall twice and Toledo. Missouri is the only team on that list that didnt have a winning record WMU lost to. WKU had 4 losses to such teams.

 

[extragreen]

That's cool, they are still losses right?? Sad we are left to extra justifying losses teams had to other teams. A loss is a loss in my book

That 3 TD loss to WKU this season has affected your mind.

 

[extragreen]

I didn't say the 7-5 Western Michigan team was bad. I just said they were very average...which they were.

They lost to 6-5 Toledo by 24 points between the games they lost to us. They squeaked by 4-7 EMU & 5-6 NIU by a field goal. They also lost to 4-7 Missouri by 2 TDs.

They were not a good team. They were average.

Ok. Our bowl opponent this year got beat by 7-6 Central Michigan by 17 points and by 38 points to 7-6 Arkansas. NIU beat 2-9 Kent State by 3, 2-10 Miami Oh by 10, 2-10 EMU by 11, and 6-6 Ohio by 7. They played 1 team ranked in the final poll, us. With your logic, the team we beat in our bowl game was very average.

 

[cocky jeremy]

That's cool, they are still losses right?? Sad we are left to extra justifying losses teams had to other teams. A loss is a loss in my book

So, to you, losing to Alabama by 3 is the same as losing to Youngstown St by 27?

 

[SHAMMOND16]

Ok. Our bowl opponent this year got beat by 7-6 Central Michigan by 17 points and by 38 points to 7-6 Arkansas. NIU beat 2-9 Kent State by 3, 2-10 Miami Oh by 10, 2-10 EMU by 11, and 6-6 Ohio by 7. They played 1 team ranked in the final poll, us. With your logic, the team we beat in our bowl game was very average.

They were very average. It was a toss up between them and an equally very average 6-6 Illinois team. IMO, it's better to play an average team that is 9-3 and on the verge to being ranked than an average team that is 6-6, but they were both very average...and we crushed NIU.

WKU was an average team too. If not for the INTs, we would have crushed them. We started out terribly on senior day and they took advantage of the huge lead we spotted them. Kudos to them.

 

[extragreen]

They were very average. It was a toss up between them and an equally very average 6-6 Illinois team. IMO, it's better to play an average team that is 9-3 and on the verge to being ranked than an average team that is 6-6, but they were both very average...and we crushed NIU.

WKU was an average team too. If not for the INTs, we would have crushed them. We started out terribly on senior day and they took advantage of the huge lead we spotted them. Kudos to them.

It's difficult for me to understand where you're coming from when you equate "very average" Western Michigan team to a "very average" Northern Illinois team that is on the verge of being ranked nationally.

 

[SHAMMOND16]

It's difficult for me to understand where you're coming from

Welcome to the world everyone else lives in when trying to discuss a topic with you.

 

[extragreen]

Welcome to the world everyone else lives in when trying to discuss a topic with you.

You just talked yourself in circles. Not my fault you can't understand yourself.

 

[SHAMMOND16]

You just talked yourself in circles. Not my fault you can't understand yourself.

How did I talk myself in circles? It's my belief that NIU was an above average football team at best and it's a fact that they were receiving votes after their regular season record of 11-2. Those things aren't exclusive. They had a very good year, record wise, but they didn't really beat anyone and they didn't have a single player who could be a difference maker. They didn't have a RB to rush for 1,000 yards and their QB only threw 18 TDs...and they played 14 freaking games.

Do you think NIU was a really good team? They may have been on the verge of being ranked, but it wasn't because they were a good team. It was because of the new insanity of college football rankings. You get "extra credit" for beating a 5-7 Northwestern team and if you get your doors blown off by a 7-6 Arkansas team, that loss doesn't count. In fact, you can argue that they got credit for losing by 38 to them. That's why our 12-1 record gave us a 28th place ranking at the end of the regular season and their 11-2 record gave them a 32nd. Even though neither of us beat anyone and our resumes look similar at the end of the year (straight up Ws-Ls, SOS, conference champions, etc.), our average margin of victory being almost double of what theirs was shows that we were a far superior team. We were a good team. 9 of their 11 victories were decided by 2 possessions or less. 3 of our 13 were decided by 2 possessions or less...but that stuff doesn't get looked at. Getting credit for losing by 38 to a slightly >.500 is what gets looked at.

wvu was also receiving votes to be ranked before their bowl game & I don't think they were good either. Is that talking in circles?

 

[extragreen]

Which is it? Was NIU "very average" team or "above average football team at best"?

 

[SHAMMOND16]

Which is it? Was NIU "very average" team or "above average football team at best"?

Hahaha they were very average...above average at best if someone wanted to argue that they were good.

 

[extragreen]

Hahaha they were very average...above average at best if someone wanted to argue that they were good.

Which are YOU arguing?

 

[SHAMMOND16]

Which are YOU arguing?

What point are you trying to make? haha

I think they were an average team. But if someone wanted to argue that they were above average, I wouldn't waste my time splitting hairs. I would say that I think they were average or above average at best and move on.

 

[extragreen]

And the same could be said about WMU in 1999.

 

[SHAMMOND16]

And the same could be said about WMU in 1999.

...and your point????

 

[19MU88]

That's cool, they are still losses right?? Sad we are left to extra justifying losses teams had to other teams. A loss is a loss in my book

yep and the one point loss to wku may put 2014 behind 99, 96, 97, 98, 02, and maybe 03

 

[marshallsig]

yep and the one point loss to wku may put 2014 behind 99, 96, 97, 98, 02, and maybe 03

Or, it may not.

 

[ohio herd]

Or, it may not.

I agree Sig. Take the 98 team. Does a 2 point win over Wofford makes them better. How about a 3 point win over a terrible E. Mich. Don't forget the 21 point loss to BG, cause facts aren't allowed.

 

[andy4theherd]

I agree Sig. Take the 98 team. Does a 2 point win over Wofford makes them better. How about a 3 point win over a terrible E. Mich. Don't forget the 21 point loss to BG, cause facts aren't allowed.

no, but the fact that they had a 1st round NFL draft pick at QB, a 2nd round NFL draft pick at Safety, a 3rd round NFL draft pick at RB, a 6th round NFL draft pick at WR, a punter that played 11 NFL seasons, and several other non drafted NFL players makes them better.

 

[marshallsig]

no, but the fact that they had a 1st round NFL draft pick at QB, a 2nd round NFL draft pick at Safety, a 3rd round NFL draft pick at RB, a 6th round NFL draft pick at WR, a punter that played 11 NFL seasons, and several other non drafted NFL players makes them better.

Does it? It means they had some better individual NFL talent (and there is some yet to be seen on 2014 maybe). That does not mean that they are a better college "team"

I am not arguing one team over another, just trying to be fair in my observation.

 

[ohio herd]

no, but the fact that they had a 1st round NFL draft pick at QB, a 2nd round NFL draft pick at Safety, a 3rd round NFL draft pick at RB, a 6th round NFL draft pick at WR, a punter that played 11 NFL seasons, and several other non drafted NFL players makes them better.

Sure, and they ended up not being ranked whereas the 2014 team was. I guess a small detail like that doesn't count.