Navy replaces Marshall with Wagner on 2023 football schedule
The Navy Midshipmen have replaced the Marshall Thundering Herd with the Wagner Seahawks on their 2023 football schedule.
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23 Navy game is off!
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Navy is scheduled to open the 2023 season against the Notre Dame Fighting Irish in Week Zero on Saturday, Aug. 26. The game will be played at Aviva Stadium in Dublin, Ireland, which might be the reason the Midshipmen wanted to clear the Sept. 2 game at Marshall from their calendar.
The bigger question is who do we get to fill that spot on the schedule?... Not many teams still have an open date for next year. One team that does is UConn. We could make it a Nutmeg State double dip with Central Connecticut State in Huntington and UConn in Storrs.
My question would be, did we approach Navy last November when they made the announcement about the ND game and ask them about any concerns turning around and playing our game 5 days later?
If I was an AD I would have called the Navy AD and questioned that. Seems this could have been avoided with some proactive communication. If that’s the case then O’Malley and the AD dropped the ball.
Thinking this was a recent development and we were sorta blindsided by the cancellation.
Although on the surface, I can see why Navy did it.
If I was an AD I would have called the Navy AD and questioned that. Seems this could have been avoided with some proactive communication. If that’s the case then O’Malley and the AD dropped the ball.
Thinking this was a recent development and we were sorta blindsided by the cancellation.
Although on the surface, I can see why Navy did it.
I'm sure they're getting quite a sum of money to play in Dublin. Whatever the buyout is for our game, I'm sure its a drop in the bucket to them and avoids another beat down.
As I understand it, Notre Dame and Navy play every year and when it is Navy’s home year they never actually play at home, but rather sell the game, giving ND a neutral site game that they want and the $$ fund Navy’s athletic program.
We are very unlikely to find a I-A team to play on this short notice, which means two straight years of playing two I-AA, meaning we need to go 7-5 to be bowl eligible, as only one I-AA victory counts, which will be, this year and next year, a very tall task.
We are very unlikely to find a I-A team to play on this short notice, which means two straight years of playing two I-AA, meaning we need to go 7-5 to be bowl eligible, as only one I-AA victory counts, which will be, this year and next year, a very tall task.
I mean it’s the taxpayers that are paying the buyout anyway so they don’t care
Careful, 429!! Tread lightly when speaking of the gubmint. Folks around here get protective of Big G!
Actually Navy (and the other service academies) only get a tiny fraction of their direct athletic costs from the government. Most of the money comes from ads, ticket sales, and alumni giving. Remember the players are already on scholarships, because everybody at those schools are. The coaches and such work for a private foundation and not the government.
In Navy’s case, most of the money comes from never playing its home game with Notre Dame actually at home. It sells that game every other year and keeps all the money.. The Army-Navy game TV deal is also quite a lot.
In Navy’s case, most of the money comes from never playing its home game with Notre Dame actually at home. It sells that game every other year and keeps all the money.. The Army-Navy game TV deal is also quite a lot.
Whatever Navy's rationalization is for this , it must be considered a kick in the teeth for MU! I'm not privy to the terms of the contract but I'd be tempted to sue the Middies for specific performance of the contract they signed. That's a tough ruling to obtain but what have we got to lose!
All of these contracts contain buy-out clauses so a specific performance suit would not only be a loser, but probably get us sued for frivolous litigation.
The question is, and the AD should be informing us of this via the media, is do we take the full buy out and how much is that; or take a smaller, but still substantial payment and play Navy in another year and when could that be accomplished? 27 is the next year both have not completed their schedules for. We should also know who we are playing. With new I-A teams coming in, we could find somebody to play. As noted above UConn has an opening.as does Nevada, Liberty and BYU.
Again, have to see the contracts, I'm sure you're correct there is buyout but wonder if that was a allowed for unilateral decision of only one party. Louisville sued Duke about 20 years ago money damages for cancelling a contract with little notice as Navy has done to us. Duke defense was essentially we're so bad in football that anybody you replace us with would be better than us and won. I doubt UConn would play us as they have enough ass beatings on their slate near term. Saw the Huskies as a 27 point dog to Utah Sate opening weekend.
I understand that the SBC is a step up in competition, but even with one less countable game if we can't reach 8 wins then we AD Spears may need to start evaluating the coaching staff.
@Norfolk State - an absolute lock and if it isn't then fire everyone.
Notre Dame - you never know, but for arguments sake it's an L
@BGSU - sure Doyt is a house of horrors for us, but BGSU hasn't had a .500 or better season since 2015.
@Troy - much like BGSU, you have to go back several seasons to find a season with more than 5 wins. 2016 they went 10-3 and since then haven't won more than 5 games.
ULL - will be tough, but it's at home
@JMU - They'll be motivated, but as of now they still have an FCS roster. One of the better ones, but still FCS.
Coastal - will be a tough game, but we get them at home
@ODU - should be a lock.
Appy - if the last two years have been any indication this will be a dogfight
@GaSoutern - They finished 3-9 last season. Solid program, but not unbeatable
@GaState - pretty much a .500-.600 football team.
Norfolk, BGSU, Troy, JMU, and ODU should all be wins. That gets us to 5 wins.
GaSouthern and GaState won't be cakewalks, but we should at least get one of the two so that's 6 wins.
Now the rubber meets the road. Appy, ULL, and Coastal will be the measuring stick for this team and this staff. First off ALL THREE ARE AT HOME. You better at least come away with one win and you'd better not get embarrassed by any of them. A good team wins 2/3. A great team wins 3/3.
We have a hyped up HC, just ditched our below average OC, have a P5 transfer QB with P5 game experience, one of the top RBs in the nation that will be backed up by a former 5-star, and players dotting various major award watchlists (whatever that's worth). IF we're any good we should be 8-10 wins easy. Remember we're not here just to be a middle of the road team. We're Marshall. We play for championships. If in year two Huff and the staff can't take a step forward from last year then some evaluations need to be done.
Do you remember the 2021 meeting? Darn near a miracle to win.
Troy will be tough. One of the better defenses we face. Be a low scoring game. We may take an L there.
I don’t think LA or CCU will be nearly as good as they were last year.
JMU will be hyped for us, you can tell that from their fans posts on some social media. I just don’t think they have the horses yet.
Still say, 8-4, maybe 9-3 if we stay healthy and get some breaks.
Colombi doesn’t work out and we have injuries, especially on the OL, 7-5, 6-6.
Jmo
It appears to me that Navy does not like getting beaten down by lowly ranked Marshall and playing Marshall and getting beaten again would ruin their image and most likely cost the coach his job. The Navy crew today has turned into a bunch of wimps, and this is what we are depending on to defend us in case of war, oh my is this country ever in trouble. 
Troy really doesn't scare me. I agree with you about ULL, but Coastal still has their QB and you have a really good QB it makes up for a lot.
JMU may be hyped and down the road they will indeed be tough because they're driven, but they still just have FCS depth.
And of course all of this hinges on Colombi. In order for this season to be special this guy has to be better as good as his hype. Average to below average play won't get it done. The SBC isn't a conference we can sleepwalk through to 8-9 wins. Especially in the coming seasons once JMU builds because the EAST is going to be tough.
Still in 2022 we are playing 3 well coached teams in Appy, ULL, and Coastal that could come in and embarrass us at home if we don't bring a focused A game. This is what I like the most about the SBC this conference is going to push Marshall to be what Marshall once was. We're going to see how dedicated this coaching staff and administration is in fielding a great team. Not a bowl team. A great team.
I really do believe whole heartedly that 2022 is going to show us who Coach Huff really is. He's either going break out and show us he's a really good coach and we're going to be on pins and needles about him leaving or he's going to get exposed as a bum.
See BYU 😀It appears to me that Navy does not like getting beaten down by lowly ranked Marshall and playing Marshall and getting beaten again would ruin their image and most likely cost the coach his job. The Navy crew today has turned into a bunch of wimps, and this is what we are depending on to defend us in case of war, oh my is this country ever in trouble.
Las Vegas has our over-under at 7.5. That seems high but something like that is what the non-green colored glasses people are predicting. This whole idea that we are somehow "supposed" to win because of slogans from two decades ago is childish.
Take the blinder off and you see the truth. This is a very flawed team and a coaching staff.
It is entirely possible that CH will achieve his first win over a I-A team which finishes the season with a winning record this season. But I am not counting out the possibility that this never occurs.
Take the blinder off and you see the truth. This is a very flawed team and a coaching staff.
It is entirely possible that CH will achieve his first win over a I-A team which finishes the season with a winning record this season. But I am not counting out the possibility that this never occurs.
Truth is, we’ve been a very average program since 2004 or so. But maybe that’s just our place. Not gonna get any easier.
No. It's not. It's about time the athletic department and fans wake up and demand more.
Hoping Spears and Smith demand more. Both are ultimately responsible
Literally just let the football coach and AD go after a conference title game appearance.
I think the fans and university leaders, who are all new, BTW, are awake and in fact demanding more.
no the Navy football is entirely funded via the Naval Academia Athletic Association, nothing to do with tax payer money.
I hadn't looked that up but it sounds like a pretty good number to me at face value... Figure we win the 2 FCS games, and JMU (which is still an FCS team in reality)... If we play the rest just above or just below .500 that would put us at either 8-4 or 7-5.
The good news is on paper the only "sure" loss is at Notre Dame... As was pointed out above, the key to the season is the four games with Louisiana, Coastal, Georgia State and App State... Gotta win at least 2 of those.
Yeah, just the PR move a new AD needs...
Suing the US Naval Academy over something that happens literally all the time.
Wow, Sam...when you aren't blowing Judy and CUSA, you actually make solid points.
Now, that would be an interesting element...possibly even a trend, where a series is made but the team can opt to settle for less money but a guaranteed return date (also, within reason...not like MU and Navy agree on half the buyout money and Navy returns in 2053).
Let's face it, in the G5, a return trip from a notable P5 or service academy would generate more money economically than a check made out to the MU AD.
So what IS the measuring stick for year two under Huff?
When MU entered the MAC, they had all the momentum in the world.
MU is coming off of having cleaned house everywhere and a rather good, but certainly not great, first season with a bunch of transfers (yes, its the nature of the NCAA now) whereas MU of the MAC had come off of about as high of an order they could.
Oh and the teams of the SBC are very legit, with two of the toughest three being in MU's division.
I agree, MU should play for championships, but is that motto premature at this point to be an actual expectation, given the road needed to achieve it?
I hope this is sarcasm.It appears to me that Navy does not like getting beaten down by lowly ranked Marshall and playing Marshall and getting beaten again would ruin their image and most likely cost the coach his job. The Navy crew today has turned into a bunch of wimps, and this is what we are depending on to defend us in case of war, oh my is this country ever in trouble.
Gotta give Navy insane amounts of credit given their strict height/weight requirements as well as just being limited to football since the majority of their schooling is heavily related to military.
Their students are given exemptions to gain weight/muscle during the season, then lose it all after the season ends...at least that's what I heard and these are guys lining up against the likes of the P5 too.
Be in championship contention and no more stupid first year mistakes. I still don't know if it was Huff or Cramsey, but in reality the buck stops with Huff.
Mistakes like;
Throwing deep to the back of the endzone on 3rd down when you only need a yard or two to continue the drive.
Taking your best player (Ali) off the field on pivotal 3rd downs for his far less talented backup (Evans) and killing drives. With the addition of Laborn that shouldn't be as glaring of an issue, but still. Ali should not be off the field on 3rd downs. Especially down the stretch.
Not using garbage time (north texas, charlotte) to get your backup important game reps in the even they're needed. Which goes back to us being the "most hated" team in America that no one will want to play because we never stop trying to score. We sat on the ball in those game and most road games save for NAVY like Doc was still coach. That's something Huff promised would never happen.
This season is going to be a measuring stick for where this program is and where it's headed under Coach Huff.
Utilizing talent better (see Xavier Gaines). Again this one may be on Cramsey.
Then there was how we responded after the personal foul penalty against ULL in the bowl game. All three calls looked like we were scared and it flipped the momentum completely to ULL. Huff and Cramsey should have came out swinging and they didn't. You take a shot there. Not three super conservative LoS calls leading to a 3&out.
We have, according to most experts, a very talented roster with much hyped additions like Colombi and Laborn. This team isn't in a rebuild and Huff is this hyped up, hot name coach that coached under Saban and coached big time players at PSU. He's no Snyder from what we've been led to believe.
I’m just glad that some people have some expectations for CH. We spent last year discussing previous employees, as if their actions were relevant to the very disappointing season where we beat no I-A teams with winning records.
I really never forgave Doc for the 2010 WVU debacle....the 2021 ECU meltdown was almost as bad!
I don't think I'd call Colombi "hyped". At least I haven't seen anyone blowing him up. Yeah, he came from a P5. Some people may equate that to being good; but as we all know, that's not always the case. He just needs to be solid and not turn it over. It's more on Trickett than anyone. We'll see if he is a departure from Cramsey, or that we just aren't as good as some think.
