23 Navy game is off!

[BleedsGreen33]

I don't think I'd call Colombi "hyped". At least I haven't seen anyone blowing him up. Yeah, he came from a P5. Some people may equate that to being good; but as we all know, that's not always the case. He just needs to be solid and not turn it over. It's more on Trickett than anyone. We'll see if he is a departure from Cramsey, or that we just aren't as good as some think.

I'm not going to quote everything posted and said, but he was deemed starter before he committed and people saying because he faced Big XII teams then he's bound to be good. Some were saying he's already an upgrade over Wells and on and on. There's been no "wait and see" on this kid. People scoff at the notion that he could potentially bust out and be passed by another QB on the roster.

I also don't think if the season busts out or even stays the same we can validate Cramsey. Trickett is completely unproven. He could suck and it wouldn't change the fact that Cramsey's play calling and lack of feel for game flow held us back a lot over 3 seasons. If anything firing Doc and hiring Huff exposed Cramsey because nothing changed with the offense in terms of philosophy. The same things were happening. Forgetting that Knox/Ali exists, lack of play mix, and play calls that look like they were called from someone that wasn't even watching the same game. Using your 6'4" 220lb WR to run nothing but short and comeback routes. Having one of the most versatile players in college football or at least the G5 in Xavier Gaines and maybe targeting him 3 times a game. Here's a guy that could play every WR position, TE, RB, and QB and he was barely used except in some late half heaves against UAB. You go back to the OHIO game at home when he was everywhere and looked to be breaking out and then you never see that happen again.

Go back to the game against Rice in 2020 with a struggling freshman QB who is pressing so hard he's unraveling and what does Cramsey do? Deep in our own territory he's dialing up long developing deep throws. This while everyone from here to Houston, TX could see that our backups (mostly Adams right?) on the right side of the line couldn't stop a middle school pass rush.

Doc exits, Huff enters, and virtually nothing changed. The only constant variable was Cramsey. It might have been rifle, but someone tried to warn us about him showing all this time on the FBS level as an OC being average at best.

 

[RhinoD]

Be in championship contention and no more stupid first year mistakes. I still don't know if it was Huff or Cramsey, but in reality the buck stops with Huff.

Mistakes like;
Throwing deep to the back of the endzone on 3rd down when you only need a yard or two to continue the drive.

Taking your best player (Ali) off the field on pivotal 3rd downs for his far less talented backup (Evans) and killing drives. With the addition of Laborn that shouldn't be as glaring of an issue, but still. Ali should not be off the field on 3rd downs. Especially down the stretch.

Not using garbage time (north texas, charlotte) to get your backup important game reps in the even they're needed. Which goes back to us being the "most hated" team in America that no one will want to play because we never stop trying to score. We sat on the ball in those game and most road games save for NAVY like Doc was still coach. That's something Huff promised would never happen.

This season is going to be a measuring stick for where this program is and where it's headed under Coach Huff.

Utilizing talent better (see Xavier Gaines). Again this one may be on Cramsey.

Then there was how we responded after the personal foul penalty against ULL in the bowl game. All three calls looked like we were scared and it flipped the momentum completely to ULL. Huff and Cramsey should have came out swinging and they didn't. You take a shot there. Not three super conservative LoS calls leading to a 3&out.

We have, according to most experts, a very talented roster with much hyped additions like Colombi and Laborn. This team isn't in a rebuild and Huff is this hyped up, hot name coach that coached under Saban and coached big time players at PSU. He's no Snyder from what we've been led to believe.

Several good points here and I think this is a mostly fair assessment.

I'm never going to fault a guy for being aggressive as a head coach, but there were times we weren't aggressive, we were dumb last year... 3rd and 1 or 2 and we are throwing deep, or throwing at all, when Ali is averaging 6 yards a carry.

By the same token, 3rd and 7-plus and we run the F'n read option (with a QB that hasn't kept the ball all game) and inevitably punt. As mentioned, no idea how much of that was Cramsey and how much of it was Huff, but either way it was frustrating to watch.

In short, better situational football is something a lot of people are rooting for this year.

The kids seem to like Huff, he can clearly recruit, and he's never once lost a press conference... All of those things are good qualities to have as a head coach. Now let's go beat people that aren't bottom feeders.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

I really never forgave Doc for the 2010 WVU debacle....the 2021 ECU meltdown was almost as bad!

Meh...MU was like 2 years from a DC who could easily have shut down wvu. Rippon was the reason for MU losing.

Hopefully Huff learned from ECU. We will see.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Doc exits, Huff enters, and virtually nothing changed. The only constant variable was Cramsey. It might have been rifle, but someone tried to warn us about him showing all this time on the FBS level as an OC being average at best

So what is more of a concern?
Huff has a wealth of offensive experience in many of his stops and has been around top programs, so the guy does have an idea of what a good offense looks like, yet he retained Cramsey.
Or...
Cramsey somehow selling his abilities enough to be given control over the team when his previous year wasn't nearly what was expected.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

I’m just glad that some people have some expectations for CH. We spent last year discussing previous employees, as if their actions were relevant to the very disappointing season where we beat no I-A teams with winning records.

Thing is...even the HC's are sort of stuck existing in two worlds for fan "expectations."

Coach Huff's resume reads of a guy who clearly knows top programs, how they operate, talent, how to coach/manage it, etc.
With past jobs at "Penn State" and "Alabama" fans expected him to not make any mistakes, at least bad ones.

Oh, and he crushed his pressers.

But then they want someone "on the up and up" being some young hungry guy who will use MU as a stepping stone (which they are fine with but also shocked when he inquires leaving after 1 "meh" season), forgetting said person is likely NOT a HC, thus is prone to making mistakes...even rookie ones and dumb ones.

In short, MU fans got a guy from the best program in America, but are confused and mad he's actually young and inexperienced, which is also something they want.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

So what is more of a concern?
Huff has a wealth of offensive experience in many of his stops and has been around top programs, so the guy does have an idea of what a good offense looks like, yet he retained Cramsey.
Or...
Cramsey somehow selling his abilities enough to be given control over the team when his previous year wasn't nearly what was expected.

Huff retained Cramsey to keep the offense consistent. He had a past relationship with Cramsey and thought it would make the transition easier. He thought it would make life easier for Wells.

I'm questioning all the "wealth" of knowledge and connections that Huff has given the mistakes he made last year and his hiring to this point. Multiple assistants with questionable resumes. Hiring Trickett is a real head scratcher to me. You hire a guy with zero experience as being the OC. He has one season (not sure if it was a full season) as a co-OC at FAU. That's it. Huff doesn't know anyone out there from his 10+ years of coaching? Hope he knows something no one else does about Clint, but if I were a guy looking to move up the coaching ranks and quickly, I'd be bringing in someone that is the most proven that I possibly could.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Thing is...even the HC's are sort of stuck existing in two worlds for fan "expectations."

Coach Huff's resume reads of a guy who clearly knows top programs, how they operate, talent, how to coach/manage it, etc.
With past jobs at "Penn State" and "Alabama" fans expected him to not make any mistakes, at least bad ones.

Oh, and he crushed his pressers.

But then they want someone "on the up and up" being some young hungry guy who will use MU as a stepping stone (which they are fine with but also shocked when he inquires leaving after 1 "meh" season), forgetting said person is likely NOT a HC, thus is prone to making mistakes...even rookie ones and dumb ones.

In short, MU fans got a guy from the best program in America, but are confused and mad he's actually young and inexperienced, which is also something they want.

You don't have to be a seasoned HC to know not to do some of the things we did last year. If you've played the game all the way through the college level and been in the coaching ranks for a decade+ you would know not to do that stuff.

How many years do you have to be a HC before you learn that your best player should be on the field on pivotal downs? How many years do you need to be a HC to learn your backup needs as many reps as possible to be ready in case your starter goes down? How many years do you need to be a HC before you learn that with 7 minutes to go in a game and you're 3rd&short on their 35 you don't throw a back shoulder fade to the back of the endzone. Especially when you have a stud at RB that picks those two yards up easily and you maintain possession.

And as far as "winning the press conferences." I've seen some pick up on this, but Huff was throwing players under the bus all season and even got on the fans in a post game rant. Like that throw against ECU. He didn't say the call was bad. In fact he said it was the right call that Ahmed just didn't catch the ball. There were several instances of that all season long.

Also talk is cheap. Winning the presser is cool when your introduced as the new HC. After that your words only mean anything if you're winning games. Not choking 17 point leads at home to bad teams, getting embarrassed by MTSU on the road, being completely unprepared for a Conference Championship game that you host, and going into a shell in a hard fought bowl game. All the while you're talking to teams about taking other jobs.

2022 is put up or shut up time.

 

[Tonycried2]

You don't have to be a seasoned HC to know not to do some of the things we did last year. If you've played the game all the way through the college level and been in the coaching ranks for a decade+ you would know not to do that stuff.

How many years do you have to be a HC before you learn that your best player should be on the field on pivotal downs? How many years do you need to be a HC to learn your backup needs as many reps as possible to be ready in case your starter goes down? How many years do you need to be a HC before you learn that with 7 minutes to go in a game and you're 3rd&short on their 35 you don't throw a back shoulder fade to the back of the endzone. Especially when you have a stud at RB that picks those two yards up easily and you maintain possession.

And as far as "winning the press conferences." I've seen some pick up on this, but Huff was throwing players under the bus all season and even got on the fans in a post game rant. Like that throw against ECU. He didn't say the call was bad. In fact he said it was the right call that Ahmed just didn't catch the ball. There were several instances of that all season long.

Also talk is cheap. Winning the presser is cool when your introduced as the new HC. After that your words only mean anything if you're winning games. Not choking 17 point leads at home to bad teams, getting embarrassed by MTSU on the road, being completely unprepared for a Conference Championship game that you host, and going into a shell in a hard fought bowl game. All the while you're talking to teams about taking other jobs.

2022 is put up or shut up time.

The Press conference after the ECU was not good, I know he was upset and rightfully so for MU just pissing the game away but you can't tell equally upset fans that if they get off the boat they can't get back on.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

You don't have to be a seasoned HC to know not to do some of the things we did last year. If you've played the game all the way through the college level and been in the coaching ranks for a decade+ you would know not to do that stuff.

How many years do you have to be a HC before you learn that your best player should be on the field on pivotal downs? How many years do you need to be a HC to learn your backup needs as many reps as possible to be ready in case your starter goes down? How many years do you need to be a HC before you learn that with 7 minutes to go in a game and you're 3rd&short on their 35 you don't throw a back shoulder fade to the back of the endzone. Especially when you have a stud at RB that picks those two yards up easily and you maintain possession.

And as far as "winning the press conferences." I've seen some pick up on this, but Huff was throwing players under the bus all season and even got on the fans in a post game rant. Like that throw against ECU. He didn't say the call was bad. In fact he said it was the right call that Ahmed just didn't catch the ball. There were several instances of that all season long.

Also talk is cheap. Winning the presser is cool when your introduced as the new HC. After that your words only mean anything if you're winning games. Not choking 17 point leads at home to bad teams, getting embarrassed by MTSU on the road, being completely unprepared for a Conference Championship game that you host, and going into a shell in a hard fought bowl game. All the while you're talking to teams about taking other jobs.

2022 is put up or shut up time.

Every new coach makes mistakes. Hell, I still could kill Doc for having a freshmen carry the ball and then fumble to blow the WVU game. Not defending Huff but lets see how this season plays out. Has he learned? Hopefully so, if not, the record will reflect that and his seat will get hot. Granted, we could be better but the record not reflect that due to a better SB tilt. jmo.

 

[Tonycried2]

Every new coach makes mistakes. Hell, I still could kill Doc for having a freshmen carry the ball and then fumble to blow the WVU game. Not defending Huff but lets see how this season plays out. Has he learned? Hopefully so, if not, the record will reflect that and his seat will get hot. Granted, we could be better but the record not reflect that due to a better SB tilt. jmo.

If we run three QB sneaks with Anderson and even miss the chip shot FG, we still win, not enough time left for the Mounties to catch us! But, WTF, I'm over it with the help of therapy!

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

If we run three QB sneaks with Anderson and even miss the chip shot FG, we still win, not enough time left for the Mounties to catch us! But, WTF, I'm over it with the help of therapy!

True. Many of us needed therapy after that. lol!

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

You don't have to be a seasoned HC to know not to do some of the things we did last year. If you've played the game all the way through the college level and been in the coaching ranks for a decade+ you would know not to do that stuff.

How many years do you have to be a HC before you learn that your best player should be on the field on pivotal downs? How many years do you need to be a HC to learn your backup needs as many reps as possible to be ready in case your starter goes down? How many years do you need to be a HC before you learn that with 7 minutes to go in a game and you're 3rd&short on their 35 you don't throw a back shoulder fade to the back of the endzone. Especially when you have a stud at RB that picks those two yards up easily and you maintain possession.

And as far as "winning the press conferences." I've seen some pick up on this, but Huff was throwing players under the bus all season and even got on the fans in a post game rant. Like that throw against ECU. He didn't say the call was bad. In fact he said it was the right call that Ahmed just didn't catch the ball. There were several instances of that all season long.

Also talk is cheap. Winning the presser is cool when your introduced as the new HC. After that your words only mean anything if you're winning games. Not choking 17 point leads at home to bad teams, getting embarrassed by MTSU on the road, being completely unprepared for a Conference Championship game that you host, and going into a shell in a hard fought bowl game. All the while you're talking to teams about taking other jobs.

2022 is put up or shut up time.

You wanted a young, energetic coordinator from a P5 to take over MU and hoped they'd have to win championships to be considered valued (which, once more shuts down the stupid, "1 title in 10 years, duurrrrr!!!"), when in reality, they just need to show competency.
In this case, being competent in running a program in the G5, where a HC can say, "If only I had better resources, I could do more" then in chimes a P5 program.

You act like a 1st year coach is so dumb to have made complete rookie mistakes when even Nick Saban or Pete Carroll have managed to lose games they never should have, or made questionable calls in game deciding situations...yet both still kept their jobs.

Huff actually took accountability for the ECU game and said, "that's on me, first and foremost" and then said he wasn't going home, and would prepare for App (and it showed).

If its not one thing, it's another...and already there are a few who'll use the ECU game to never fully embrace the guy as being a good HC, even if he does win.

But congrats, this is your new reality...a rookie HC from a bigger program, expected to win and not make mistakes, when he literally cannot avoid them, who is just looking for the next ticket out of town.

MU may get lucky and win a SBC title here and there, but honestly, MU will not be valued any more than anyone else.
It'll be a constant gamble with fans like you already questioning someone before season 2 begins, you'll demand someone have the coaching know how of someone 10 years into it when they are half the age of their critics online.
We've already seen how low the bar is set for him to depart, 1 more win and he likely was gone.
He ain't the first and won't be the last to do that.
Hope you're ready.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Every new coach makes mistakes. Hell, I still could kill Doc for having a freshmen carry the ball and then fumble to blow the WVU game. Not defending Huff but lets see how this season plays out. Has he learned? Hopefully so, if not, the record will reflect that and his seat will get hot. Granted, we could be better but the record not reflect that due to a better SB tilt. jmo.

He'll still make mistakes. Saban makes them. Dabo makes them. Riley, Harbaugh, etc.
Do you really expect a 2nd year HC to not make them?

 

[W-S HerdFan]

He'll still make mistakes. Saban makes them. Dabo makes them. Riley, Harbaugh, etc.
Do you really expect a 2nd year HC to not make them?

GHMY - after being on here as long as you have, that you even ask that ? is hilarious!! We have the most psychotic fans in the history of fandom……

 

[HerdFB1]

I don't have Navy can cancel this contracted game? Did we get a cancellation fee?

 

[Gizmot]

All college football coaches get second-guessed and criticized - - it comes with the job they have and they know it. However, I think we've got an excellent coach who is a good motivator and disciplinarian - not a bad place to start. I think we have to let him learn about being a head coach and be able to make the most of the talent he has available. I expect the coach and the team to both makes improvements this year, in spite of playing a tougher schedule. Let's support the coach and team.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

I don't have Navy can cancel this contracted game? Did we get a cancellation fee?

The government can do whatever they want to

 

[i am herdman]

The government can do whatever they want to

Are you trying to get me to comment?

 

[nofancyname]

The government can do whatever they want to

23 Navy game is off!

https://fbschedules.com/navy-replaces-marshall-with-wagner-on-2023-football-schedule/

marshall.forums.rivals.com

 

[W-S HerdFan]

So for you scheduling gurus: According to “unnamed” sources, CS has lined up a game to replace the Navy game for ‘23. The only clue is that it’s a destination city……fire away!

 

[HerdFB1]

Navy HC is on the hot seat now after a bad loss to Delaware. We would have thumped them again next year.

 

[RhinoD]

So for you scheduling gurus: According to “unnamed” sources, CS has lined up a game to replace the Navy game for ‘23. The only clue is that it’s a destination city……fire away!

Just because its a "destination city" doesn't mean its a "destination opponent"... I will go with FIU as my guess... Miami/Ft. Lauderdale is a destination area and they are one of the only FBS teams in the country that still has an open date for 2023.

 

[goherd73]

Navy paid the contracted penalty for backing out of the game.

 

[herdfan06]

Navy HC is on the hot seat now after a bad loss to Delaware. They would have thumped them again next year.

I think he was already on the hot seat prior to this season.

 

[Pioneer_PA]

Just because its a "destination city" doesn't mean its a "destination opponent"... I will go with FIU as my guess... Miami/Ft. Lauderdale is a destination area and they are one of the only FBS teams in the country that still has an open date for 2023.

This is a good point but I see zero chance we go to FIU. Miami makes sense (move CC to Sept. 2, play at Miami Sept. 16). FIU does not.

But the destination city, not a big opponent thing is certainly an intriguing possibility.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

So, does that mean (an away “buy” game or not) that we would only have 5 home games next season?

 

[cincyherdfan]

No we have 6 home games next year….
Central Connecticut
Va Tech
4 conference games.

6 road
Navy replacement
East Carolina
4 conference games

 

[RhinoD]

This is a good point but I see zero chance we go to FIU. Miami makes sense (move CC to Sept. 2, play at Miami Sept. 16). FIU does not.

But the destination city, not a big opponent thing is certainly an intriguing possibility.

I doubt Spears puts us in a game with a P5 team in that spot... We already have VT next year and a game at ECU, both of which we will be an underdog. The last thing Spears/Huff want is to potentially start 1-3 in the nonconference and then have to go away to App State and Coastal.

FIU is awful and would ensure we start at worst 2-2 next year.

 

[oldeherd]

Navy paid the contracted penalty for backing out of the game.

Heard it came to around a buck 99 ($1.99) and a large bunch of coupons for a free Hill Billy hot dog that don't expire until late 2023!!

 

[oldeherd]

I doubt Spears puts us in a game with a P5 team in that spot... We already have VT next year and a game at ECU, both of which we will be an underdog. The last thing Spears/Huff want is to potentially start 1-3 in the nonconference and then have to go away to App State and Coastal.

FIU is awful and would ensure we start at worst 2-2 next year.

Not so fast on that underdog thingy when it comes to the VA Tech game. Will largely depend on whether the Hokies starting QB is a guy whom we are very familiar with11

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Actually Spears pulls the Wolfpack out of his hat! @ NCSU on 09/02 to open the season…..
Return game in Htgn in 2029. Taking Cincy’s series……

 

[mufan08]

Heard it came to around a buck 99 ($1.99) and a large bunch of coupons for a free Hill Billy hot dog that don't expire until late 2023!!

 

[The Real SamC]

Details:

Cincinnati dropped NC State, leaving NC State with an opening.

MU will play @ NC State. MU gets $250K from Navy, $150K from NC State, and $850K from Cincinnati.

2023 will see MU play @ NC State and @ East Carolina and host Virginia Tech and I-AA Central Connecticut State.

Assuming we play something like a reverse schedule in the SBC, meaning @ ASU and @ CCU, the over under on the season looks like 4 or 5.

 

[herdfan93]

Details:

Cincinnati dropped NC State, leaving NC State with an opening.

MU will play @ NC State. MU gets $250K from Navy, $150K from NC State, and $850K from Cincinnati.

2023 will see MU play @ NC State and @ East Carolina and host Virginia Tech and I-AA Central Connecticut State.

Assuming we play something like a reverse schedule in the SBC, meaning @ ASU and @ CCU, the over under on the season looks like 4 or 5.

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