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You shouldn’t expect too. This is a world class university with global recruiting and many top teams. Think Stanford, Duke, SoCal, NW, Vanderbilt, a couple of Ivies, as the pecking order for private school athletics.
 
You shouldn’t expect too. This is a world class university with global recruiting and many top teams. Think Stanford, Duke, SoCal, NW, Vanderbilt, a couple of Ivies, as the pecking order for private school athletics.
I agree, I had no such expectation.
 
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Did you see this? Wow, unbelievable is all I can say! Look guys we do well with what we have but we can't compete with this. Northwestern just spent 270 million on a facility for 500 student athletes.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/4/10/17219292/northwestern-new-practice-
facility


Make sure you watch the video of this. That is almost 10 times what we spent on our Cline facility

To put things in perspective, MU's 10 year campus master plan, approved in 2013, called for spending a little over $400 million in the following decade on campus projects (and a very significant part of the plan is essentially gathering dust).

With $270 million, MU could, based on the cost estimates in the 2013 Plan: (1) completely renovate and upgrade the Memorial Student Center; (2) tear down the 8 story Holderby residence hall and replace it with a new residence facility; (3) completely renovate and upgrade the original science building; (4) upgrade and renovate the Morrow Library; (5) finish the renovations of Jenkins Hall; (6) perform additional renovations in Old Main; and (7) do campus wide IT upgrades and overall campus landscaping, beautification, upgrades of walk ways, lighting, etc.
 
Did you see this? Wow, unbelievable is all I can say! Look guys we do well with what we have but we can't compete with this. Northwestern just spent 270 million on a facility for 500 student athletes.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/4/10/17219292/northwestern-new-practice-
facility


Make sure you watch the video of this. That is almost 10 times what we spent on our Cline facility

Its Northwestern...while its a shock of a price tag, its not surprising considering their alumni, private university tuition, prestige, and association of Big 10 money.

It is a nice looking IPF though.
 
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To put things in perspective, MU's 10 year campus master plan, approved in 2013, called for spending a little over $400 million in the following decade on campus projects (and a very significant part of the plan is essentially gathering dust).

With $270 million, MU could, based on the cost estimates in the 2013 Plan: (1) completely renovate and upgrade the Memorial Student Center; (2) tear down the 8 story Holderby residence hall and replace it with a new residence facility; (3) completely renovate and upgrade the original science building; (4) upgrade and renovate the Morrow Library; (5) finish the renovations of Jenkins Hall; (6) perform additional renovations in Old Main; and (7) do campus wide IT upgrades and overall campus landscaping, beautification, upgrades of walk ways, lighting, etc.

Which parts are gathering dust?

Seems like MU is doing some good renovating and building around the area.

Also, the unfortunate loss of Dr. Kopp and our new president may have made some edits and changes to the original Master Plan?
Also, witu some of the new programs MU just implemented, I don't doubt some funding went to them (Pharmacy school building and dorms for example).
 
There should be a room in that IPF that gives you sexual release through the use of microwave emitters.
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The point of comparing MU, an underfunded state college in a poor state which is punching about its weight by playing G5 football whose academic mission is to try to lift the victims of WV's generally awful public schools into productive members of society with Northwestern (tuition $49,047/year) a place of privilige and elitism where the lucky sperm rich spend daddy's money, in the P5 Big 10 is ? ? ?
 
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The point of comparing MU, an underfunded state college in a poor state which is punching about its weight by playing G5 football whose academic mission is to try to lift the victims of WV's generally awful public schools into productive members of society with Northwestern (tuition $49,047/year) a place of privilige and elitism where the lucky sperm rich spend daddy's money, in the P5 Big 10 is ? ? ?
To learn about sexual release through microwaves. Duh.
 
The point of comparing MU, an underfunded state college in a poor state which is punching about its weight by playing G5 football whose academic mission is to try to lift the victims of WV's generally awful public schools into productive members of society with Northwestern (tuition $49,047/year) a place of privilige and elitism where the lucky sperm rich spend daddy's money, in the P5 Big 10 is ? ? ?


Sam you should educate yourself on the demographic make up of the student bodies at “elite “ universities.
Really look at the numbers and I feel you will be pleasantly surprised.
I personally know dozens of students at top schools that came from average backgrounds, including my children.

Edit- I know you don’t believe half the things you type.
 
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Cold water etc. Been on those beaches.....Reminded me of Beach Fork lake, only a little bigger.....LOL
 
Sam you should educate yourself on the demographic make up of the student bodies at “elite “ universities.
Really look at the numbers and I feel you will be pleasantly surprised.
I personally know dozens of students at top schools that came from average backgrounds, including my children.

Aunt Becky says "hi".
 
Sam you should educate yourself on the demographic make up of the student bodies at “elite “ universities.
Really look at the numbers and I feel you will be pleasantly surprised.
I personally know dozens of students at top schools that came from average backgrounds, including my children.
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Not that I want to defend the board spaz known as Samantha, but your anecdotal evidence of knowing dozens of students from average backgrounds really amounts to nothing in the argument.

The elite schools have a significantly higher percentage of wealthy than other colleges. Ivy League schools, as well as other top schools (Stanford, MIT, UVA, Duke, etc.) are extremely expensive, especially for out-of-staters (pertaining to the public schools). An "average background" wouldn't allow for students to attend those schools without an overwhelming amount of scholarships and financial aid. But when looking at numbers for the top schools, that isn't the case for their students.

Brown has 40% of students receiving financial aid. That means the majority are either receiving huge scholarships or don't need any assistance. For a school that is over $50,000 in tuition, students that don't receive financial aid means they come from wealthy backgrounds.

Same thing with Cornell. Less than half of their students receive financial aid.

84% of Columbia's students have no student loan debt at graduation. Is that because they are all on full rides? No. It is because the majority of them come from backgrounds that allow their parents to pay tens of thousands of dollars each year for school. Princeton echoes that same 84% of students graduating with no debt.
 
Many of these schools, including Duke, waive tuition for any student whose family has income less than 100k a year. These schools all have need blind admissions policies. Like I said before these schools are not full of Muffy and Buffy students, and the Muffy’s and Buffy’s that are there usually are qualified to be there.
My anecdotal evidence is relevant when stacked against his stereotypical painting with a broad brush. I’m very familiar with Duke, Harvard, and MIT and know the great diversity in their student bodies.
 
Which parts are gathering dust?

Seems like MU is doing some good renovating and building around the area.

Also, the unfortunate loss of Dr. Kopp and our new president may have made some edits and changes to the original Master Plan?
Also, witu some of the new programs MU just implemented, I don't doubt some funding went to them (Pharmacy school building and dorms for example).
Are you referring to the master plan announced under Dan Angel?
 
Which parts are gathering dust?

Seems like MU is doing some good renovating and building around the area.

Also, the unfortunate loss of Dr. Kopp and our new president may have made some edits and changes to the original Master Plan?
Also, witu some of the new programs MU just implemented, I don't doubt some funding went to them (Pharmacy school building and dorms for example).

Virtually ALL of the plan began under Dr. Kopp and approved by the HEPC in 2013, not under Dr. Angel a decade earlier.

One project at very top of the list was the renovation and upgrading of the Memorial Student Center, going on 50 years old and virtually unchanged. A need for a serious makeover is one essential in terms of student recruitment.

Same can be said in terms of dorms. Many, like Holderby, are essentially outdated. Today's students don't like the traditional cell like rooms, with 2 people living in a tight, close cell like room as found in that dorm.

As for classroom facilities, Jenkins Hall recently underwent some renovations at a cost of $2 million or so. However, the Master Plan identified about 5 times that amount of work needed in terms of deficiencies, such as HVAC, classroom modernization, roofing problems, etc. Remember, Jenkins was built in the 1930s as was for years the home of the Marshall Lab School, and used for the University's student teaching activities.

Similar needs are detailed in the Master Plan for other existing, and aging, campus facilities, like the Science Hall, Morrow Library, Harris and Corbly Halls, etc.

Not to detract from all that's going on and has been done in the last decade to upgrade, improve and expand the Medical School, Pharmacy, etc. These are Professional Schools and certainly add a lot to MU and its academic prestige. However, the University needs to seriously GROW its Undergraduate Enrollment and it is competing in an ever more competitive market for potential students. And like athletes, those students shop with their eyes. A campus full of mid-sixties or so dorms, classroom facilities, student center and the like just won't cut it in today's Higher Ed. market!!
 
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Virtually ALL of the plan began under Dr. Kopp and approved by the HEPC in 2013, not under Dr. Angel a decade earlier.

One project at very top of the list was the renovation and upgrading of the Memorial Student Center, going on 50 years old and virtually unchanged. A need for a serious makeover is one essential in terms of student recruitment.

Same can be said in terms of dorms. Many, like Holderby, are essentially outdated. Today's students don't like the traditional cell like rooms, with 2 people living in a tight, close cell like room as found in that dorm.

As for classroom facilities, Jenkins Hall recently underwent some renovations at a cost of $2 million or so. However, the Master Plan identified about 5 times that amount of work needed in terms of deficiencies, such as HVAC, classroom modernization, roofing problems, etc. Remember, Jenkins was built in the 1930s as was for years the home of the Marshall Lab School, and used for the University's student teaching activities.

Similar needs are detailed in the Master Plan for other existing, and aging, campus facilities, like the Science Hall, Morrow Library, Harris and Corbly Halls, etc.

Not to detract from all that's going on and has been done in the last decade to upgrade, improve and expand the Medical School, Pharmacy, etc. These are Professional Schools and certainly add a lot to MU and its academic prestige. However, the University needs to seriously GROW its Undergraduate Enrollment and it is competing in an ever more competitive market for potential students. And like athletes, those students shop with their eyes. A campus full of mid-sixties or so dorms, classroom facilities, student center and the like just won't cut it in today's Higher Ed. market!!

Uhm...the place was renovated in 2006/2007...and countless changes have been made to the interior. They have also re-done the basement to house multi-purpose rooms imstead of unused space.

They have also added in several food vendors that certainly were not there when I attended.

I guess you didn't read President Gilbert's article in the H-D just a month ago, about the renovations scheduled for this summer...which specifically included the MU Student Center and bookstore. Towers is also getting its entire lobby and 2 floors re-done as well.

As for the dorms? I agree some need to be torn down if too expensive to update. But they did remove Hodges Hall and improved one of the buildings nearby to house the INTO MU foreign exchange program.

I don't know about Jenkins specifically, but given the ew Weisberg building, I doubt the labs are there anymore...which would explain why $2 million would suffice since a lab would require more in order to meet standards than whatever is in there.

Same with the Science Building...considering there are 2 science buildings right across the street...I am sure the Science building has had some upgrades but the newly built science building would house all the stuff that would require a large amount of possibly, unavailable funding.

Coconut Shell game if you will...but we aren't ripping anyone off.

Not sure about Corbly, but Brad Smith did just donate $25 million to MU's College of Business...perhaps some of it could go to a whole new building?
I dunno.

However, as I said, some if these changes CAN wait, because of MU really focusing its energy on research, I'll bet a few plans have needed to be held off on in order to maintain MU's academic progress.
So much of what you're saying has been addressed.
 
As I understand it, the "Master Plan" is a process the state requires. It is more or less a "wish list" where, if money was no object, this is what they would fix and build. Because money is always an object, and because sometime money, in the form of a private donation or, more often, federal money, restricted to a particular program, things get built that are not in the plan and things in the plan never get built. Multiple versions of the "Master Plan" are on the university website.

In sports, the plan calls for the HC to get extended with a larger "mezzanine" on both sides and some other extra space, to provide more retail and concession areas, while Gullickson gets a total rebuild.

Of significance is the University wants to make both 3rd and 5th far less busy streets, cutting both down to 3 lanes. Of course, that is not really up to the school. The pictures they draw look far more leafy New England college like than today. They also want a bus service to connect all the different off-campus sites, which is very WVU like.

The most recent plan was written before the Smith donation, but I think the idea is to build across Hal Greer between 4th and 5th. Assume Corbly will be turned over to other programs.

It is not in the plan, but anybody with sense understands that MU's future involves the main campus and student housing becoming a much more gated and controlled deal. I think that is what they are looking at with the street changes, the core campus surrounded by walls and fences.
 
Uhm...the place was renovated in 2006/2007...and countless changes have been made to the interior. They have also re-done the basement to house multi-purpose rooms imstead of unused space. Where you been? New College of Business building is on the drawing board and far past the planning stages.

They have also added in several food vendors that certainly were not there when I attended.

I guess you didn't read President Gilbert's article in the H-D just a month ago, about the renovations scheduled for this summer...which specifically included the MU Student Center and bookstore. Towers is also getting its entire lobby and 2 floors re-done as well.

As for the dorms? I agree some need to be torn down if too expensive to update. But they did remove Hodges Hall and improved one of the buildings nearby to house the INTO MU foreign exchange program.

I don't know about Jenkins specifically, but given the ew Weisberg building, I doubt the labs are there anymore...which would explain why $2 million would suffice since a lab would require more in order to meet standards than whatever is in there.

Same with the Science Building...considering there are 2 science buildings right across the street...I am sure the Science building has had some upgrades but the newly built science building would house all the stuff that would require a large amount of possibly, unavailable funding.

Coconut Shell game if you will...but we aren't ripping anyone off.

Not sure about Corbly, but Brad Smith did just donate $25 million to MU's College of Business...perhaps some of it could go to a whole new building?
I dunno.

However, as I said, some if these changes CAN wait, because of MU really focusing its energy on research, I'll bet a few plans have needed to be held off on in order to maintain MU's academic progress.
So much of what you're saying has been addressed.
 
If any building needs to be torn down/renovated it’s gullickson. Every classroom is dark and dank.
 
You haven't experienced real college dorm life unless you lived in Hodges Hall in the mid 60's
well I lived in the Pike House so I would say that counts. I did crash at Hodges one night after a long night of consuming adult beverages with a buddy who was on the football team who was a pledge.Both were great places IMO
 
Uhm...the place was renovated in 2006/2007...and countless changes have been made to the interior. They have also re-done the basement to house multi-purpose rooms imstead of unused space.

They have also added in several food vendors that certainly were not there when I attended.

I guess you didn't read President Gilbert's article in the H-D just a month ago, about the renovations scheduled for this summer...which specifically included the MU Student Center and bookstore. Towers is also getting its entire lobby and 2 floors re-done as well.

As for the dorms? I agree some need to be torn down if too expensive to update. But they did remove Hodges Hall and improved one of the buildings nearby to house the INTO MU foreign exchange program.

I don't know about Jenkins specifically, but given the ew Weisberg building, I doubt the labs are there anymore...which would explain why $2 million would suffice since a lab would require more in order to meet standards than whatever is in there.

Same with the Science Building...considering there are 2 science buildings right across the street...I am sure the Science building has had some upgrades but the newly built science building would house all the stuff that would require a large amount of possibly, unavailable funding.

Coconut Shell game if you will...but we aren't ripping anyone off.

Not sure about Corbly, but Brad Smith did just donate $25 million to MU's College of Business...perhaps some of it could go to a whole new building?
I dunno.

However, as I said, some if these changes CAN wait, because of MU really focusing its energy on research, I'll bet a few plans have needed to be held off on in order to maintain MU's academic progress.
So much of what you're saying has been addressed.

Obviously you have no clue as to the difference between routine maintenance and upgrades in things like carpeting, furniture, maybe lighting and rest room changes and MAJOR renovations, upgrades, improvements and additions.

The main lobby of the student center is basically the same, with some changes in the furniture and carpet the last time I was in there. In 2017 there was some work going on down in the basement where at one time a bowling alley was located; work appeared to be some material removal (insulation, perhaps even asbestos?). Again the needed/suggested improvements indicated in the 2013 plan came to over $20 million, so I doubt anything planned this summer will be a project of that magnitude.

Agree about the dorms; Hodges and Laidley the oldest residence facilities on campus and one is gone and Laidley has been shuttered. Even the prior "master" plan in 2003 suggested that MU replace those older low volume facilities with newer buildings that are more vertical, say 5 or so stories or more, given MU's lack of a lot of usable land. Tearing down Laidley and building, say, a new classroom facility, perhaps L shaped along 3rd Ave. and 18th Street, would mesh with other academic buildings in the area, e.g., Harris Hall, Science Bldg.

Not sure about "labs" in Jenkins. It is basically the home facility for the College of Education. The latest plan identified about $10-12 million in work, including upgrades in HVAC, roofing work, etc., that was needed and I think MU has done $2-3 million worth of work.

No, the building across Third Avenue is NOT a general science building. It is the Biotechnology Facility. Apparently handles much research in that and the medical fields. The "old" science building across Third Ave. is nearing 70 years old and, unlike the Bio Tech bldg., it houses basic sciences like Geology, Physics, Chemistry, etc.

Finally, back during the Joe Manchin administration in Charleston, nearly a decade ago, the state released funds from the lottery proceeds for college and university capital improvements to catch up on defrayed maintenance problems. At that time MU had identified the need for some $70 million in such defrayed maintenance. MU got something like $16-17 million out of that lottery fund disbursement. I don't think anything close to a repeat disbursement of such lotteries monies in that amount for higher education capital needs has occurred since.

So, no, the situations indicated in my earlier post as to MU's capital needs, renovations, improvements, etc., have NOT been addressed. Not even close!!
 
I can’t believe I know something that most don’t know about facility usage in MARCO/MU academic history. I didn’t know it myself until recently....read a portion of olde’s post again:

“Remember, Jenkins was built in the 1930s and was for years the home of the Marshall Lab School, and used for the University's student teaching activities....”

So, the “Laboratory” School........for the aspiring student teachers.......ready? .....had nothing to do with beakers and goggles.
It had everything to do with curls and glasses! A full-on, elementary thru high school group of youngsters who attended the “Lab” school. The student teachers would rotate through, gaining the needed experience working with actual students before graduating and getting into the school system. Actually a pretty neat idea. I have a 1st cousin who graduated from the University high school.
And now you know.....the REST of the story!
 
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“Remember, Jenkins was built in the 1930s and was for years the home of the Marshall Lab School, and used for the University's student teaching activities....”

So, the “Laboratory” School........for the aspiring student teachers.......ready? .....had nothing to do with beakers and goggles.

The pretext of the "Labrotory School", which most people called "Marshall College High School" was as a place to train teachers. While it did that, the reality was that it was a perk for the professors, as these highly educated people were not willing to send their kids to the public schools of that time. It was the school for the professor's kids, who got a tuition break, and the rich white landlord's kids. It was not an uncommon deal though out the south and midwest. WVU had the same thing, University Demonstration School, which it closed and gave to the county, which subdivided Morgantown High, creating University High. I know that Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, and Auburn also had such schools. Were pretty common back in that time.
 
Obviously you have no clue as to the difference between routine maintenance and upgrades in things like carpeting, furniture, maybe lighting and rest room changes and MAJOR renovations, upgrades, improvements and additions.

The main lobby of the student center is basically the same, with some changes in the furniture and carpet the last time I was in there. In 2017 there was some work going on down in the basement where at one time a bowling alley was located; work appeared to be some material removal (insulation, perhaps even asbestos?). Again the needed/suggested improvements indicated in the 2013 plan came to over $20 million, so I doubt anything planned this summer will be a project of that magnitude.

Agree about the dorms; Hodges and Laidley the oldest residence facilities on campus and one is gone and Laidley has been shuttered. Even the prior "master" plan in 2003 suggested that MU replace those older low volume facilities with newer buildings that are more vertical, say 5 or so stories or more, given MU's lack of a lot of usable land. Tearing down Laidley and building, say, a new classroom facility, perhaps L shaped along 3rd Ave. and 18th Street, would mesh with other academic buildings in the area, e.g., Harris Hall, Science Bldg.

Not sure about "labs" in Jenkins. It is basically the home facility for the College of Education. The latest plan identified about $10-12 million in work, including upgrades in HVAC, roofing work, etc., that was needed and I think MU has done $2-3 million worth of work.

No, the building across Third Avenue is NOT a general science building. It is the Biotechnology Facility. Apparently handles much research in that and the medical fields. The "old" science building across Third Ave. is nearing 70 years old and, unlike the Bio Tech bldg., it houses basic sciences like Geology, Physics, Chemistry, etc.

Finally, back during the Joe Manchin administration in Charleston, nearly a decade ago, the state released funds from the lottery proceeds for college and university capital improvements to catch up on defrayed maintenance problems. At that time MU had identified the need for some $70 million in such defrayed maintenance. MU got something like $16-17 million out of that lottery fund disbursement. I don't think anything close to a repeat disbursement of such lotteries monies in that amount for higher education capital needs has occurred since.

So, no, the situations indicated in my earlier post as to MU's capital needs, renovations, improvements, etc., have NOT been addressed. Not even close!!

Thr basement bowling alley was removed to make the multi-purpose rooms for events, meetings, etc.

Whst you're asking for is a complete restructuring of the student center...which is wanted but not needed. An exterior element of change may be nice but nothing that would require what you're talking about...why would they?

Love how you ducked the $25 million gift Brad gave, which could very easily put a whole new building on campus or completely renovate the current COB building.

Do you somehow think money just falls out of the sky at MU? As it has been said...MU just gained R2 research status.
That, is going to cost money to maintain...so the wants and needs of a university a
will change.
Yet, people with the word "olde" in their name seem to complain in the now...because an old building is still on campus...easily forgetting its a bit of a miracle MU has progressed as fast as it has with the resources its got.
 
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I can’t believe I know something that most don’t know about facility usage in MARCO/MU academic history. I didn’t know it myself until recently....read a portion of olde’s post again:

“Remember, Jenkins was built in the 1930s and was for years the home of the Marshall Lab School, and used for the University's student teaching activities....”

So, the “Laboratory” School........for the aspiring student teachers.......ready? .....had nothing to do with beakers and goggles.
It had everything to do with curls and glasses! A full-on, elementary thru high school group of youngsters who attended the “Lab” school. The student teachers would rotate through, gaining the needed experience working with actual students before graduating and getting into the school system. Actually a pretty neat idea. I have a 1st cousin who graduated from the University high school.
And now you know.....the REST of the story!
Thanks Clarence! I can always count on your support...you don’t have to say anything...we’re good!
 
well I lived in the Pike House so I would say that counts. I did crash at Hodges one night after a long night of consuming adult beverages with a buddy who was on the football team who was a pledge.Both were great places IMO

Fortunate to report I lived in the KA House
4 semesters...our room stayed pretty clean.... 2 roommates & I made our beds each morning before heading to class....we kept it neat. Now...the basement was a subject for another day.....Famous location for a money maker until the MU administration shut us down...Exotic Film Club.

HerdZilla22 in Charlotte
 
Fortunate to report I lived in the KA House 4 semesters...our room stayed pretty clean.... 2 roommates & I made our beds each morning before heading to class....we kept it neat. Now...the basement was a subject for another day.....Famous location for a money maker until the MU administration shut us down...Exotic Film Club.

HerdZilla22 in Charlotte
"Exotic".…..like Lions and Pumas?
 
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Of significance is the University wants to make both 3rd and 5th far less busy streets, cutting both down to 3 lanes. Of course, that is not really up to the school. The pictures they draw look far more leafy New England college like than today. They also want a bus service to connect all the different off-campus sites, which is very WVU like.
Are they still calling for 5th to be placed underground?
 
Thr basement bowling alley was removed to make the multi-purpose rooms for events, meetings, etc.

Whst you're asking for is a complete restructuring of the student center...which is wanted but not needed. An exterior element of change may be nice but nothing that would require what you're talking about...why would they?

Love how you ducked the $25 million gift Brad gave, which could very easily put a whole new building on campus or completely renovate the current COB building.

Do you somehow think money just falls out of the sky at MU? As it has been said...MU just gained R2 research status.
That, is going to cost money to maintain...so the wants and needs of a university a
will change.
Yet, people with the word "olde" in their name seem to complain in the now...because an old building is still on campus...easily forgetting its a bit of a miracle MU has progressed as fast as it has with the resources its got.


Then why was the student center renovation at the top of the list of future projects in the approved Master Plan, as prepared by outside architectural and engineering consultants? Apparently they and the MU BOG who approved and accepted their report had a little more knowledge of MU's needs than you. Perhaps your "youth" is the problem there!

As for the gift from the Smiths, I believe Dr. Gilbert has indicated that it will help go towards a new business facility, when other funds are identified and obtained. If you think $25 million alone will build much of a quality and showpiece facility in today's 21st century world of higher education then your knowledge of the subject is severely lacking.
 
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