2nd beer survey?

[Herd Fever]

I'm sorry licious but this is 2016 not 1995 playing Wofford. If you really thought we could be competitive at the 1A level with a 1AA budget and donor base, you are dumber than I thought

You want big time opponents to come here, pay up

You want competitive facilities, pay up

You want top recruits to take notice of your school, pay up

You want upward mobility, pay up

You want coaches to stick around longer than 1 year, pay up

Like I said the backwards mindset of WVians is astonishing. It is no wonder the state will REMAIN in the current state that it is in

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

we get it.

Wonder if they permitted lips to touch their necks and so on?

 

[GreenDuke]

Actually what you said GreenPuke is a swiiiing and a miss

You're dense as a two by four, my post had nothing to do with someone drinking a beer in the stadium. Heck I might have one myself.

 

[The Real SamC]

Like I said the backwards mindset of WVians is astonishing. It is no wonder the state will REMAIN in the current state that it is in

YES!!

Let us sum up the mindset:

- I want to pay what I paid in 1985 for tickets, give nothing the BG, and sit on the 45.
- I want to park on the street or in some private lot for $5. I want to show up 45 seconds before kickoff, then run out and drink up and chow down at halftime, not returning, if at all, until halfway through the 3rd, thinking nothing of bothering everybody else or how bad it makes us look on TV to play before a sea of empties. (Or the even worse subset that wants to impose their rejection of Jesus' first miracle on everybody else).
- I want the games to start only at some certain time of my own convenience, for I cannot possibly be expected to conform my Saturday to the Herd, the Herd must conform to me.
- I cannot demean my sensitive taste buds to drink, no pun intended, Bud. For I must have some double pumpkin seed IPA double bock winter stout ale made in some guy in Portsmouth's sink. Something no one heard of 3 years ago and no one will remember 3 years from now.
- I want every game to be on "free" TV (even though it is not really "free"). In fact I want every game on ESPN, because I don't have the sense to change the f***ing channel.
- I want to b*** and moan about whoever we play, because it is beneath me to watch the Herd play that which I consider unacceptable.
- I want to constantly post and talk about basketball in 1985 and football in 1995.
- If a game is not on TV, I want it "free" on the internet and cannot support the league and my team by paying for all-access.
- All I can do is complain about CUSA (Marshall's conference) and its supposed contrast to the holy land of THE AMERICAN!!!!!. Of course, if Marshall ever actually joined THE AMERICAN!!!!, I would complain about that. And give exactly zero dollars to make that happen.
- I think "what channel is the game on on Dumptruck Holler cablevision" posted 45 miniues before gametime is a proper question, because I don't even know what channels I get.

Everybody. Step up. Pay up. Grow up.

 

[andy4theherd]

for the record... ranked (AP) teams to play at the Joan:

2007 wVu #3
2010 wVu #23
2011 V. Tech #13

2016 UofL has a good chance of being ranked (Charlotte, @Syracuse, and FSU before our game)

in that same time span (1997-2015) Boise:
2009 Oregon #14
2011 TCU #24 (conference game)

 

[Refiner's Fire]

So if folks don't like it the same way YOU like it; your answer is BYE. Great response. Instead of the "family section" that you referenced; perhaps we need an "anything goes section" and allow any adult beverage, smoke anything you like and brawling is allowed. Oh, and of course if you don't like it---BYE!!

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Fire, they do have a whole stadium for that, it's called Puskar Stadium. Lol!

 

[Refiner's Fire]

Correct, and there are those that are wanting us to live up to the title of "little brother".

 

[Herd Fever]

Who said anything about living up to the title of little brother.

No it's call using all available and creating new revenue streams to continue fielding a football program that the fans force them to win 10 games and afford a staff to stay around for more than a year. I mean we always revert back to a 1AA program but I doubt the money and the younger fans like myself will stick around

 

[The Real SamC]

So if folks don't like it the same way YOU like it; your answer is BYE. Great response.

Yes it is. No longer are we going to cater to a TINY minority who wish to impose their beliefs on the majority. Marshall is going to move forward with a new revenue stream and one which will make the games more enjoyable for the vast majority.

Yes, we will lose a few. My guess is 10 or 12 people. Won't miss them. Will pick up 100s.

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

New I'm sorry licious but this is 2016 not 1995 playing Wofford. If you really thought we could be competitive at the 1A level with a 1AA budget and donor base, you are dumber than I thought

You want big time opponents to come here, pay up

You want competitive facilities, pay up

You want top recruits to take notice of your school, pay up

You want upward mobility, pay up

You want coaches to stick around longer than 1 year, pay up

Like I said the backwards mindset of WVians is astonishing. It is no wonder the state will REMAIN in the current state that it is in

Oh boy and yes indeedy, this quote is IT. I have close friends that went to Marshall I ask each year to join and give to the Big Green the MINIMUM of 50.00, to this day not 1 of them has done so. Not a penny. Yet they claim to love Marshall Football, and follow it even more closely than me, they have ample funds too. So? Hamrick is stuck, he has to figure out ways to do the above, and beer is one way to pay the ever increasing bills.

I've given to the big green for over 20 plus years, not huge amounts mind you, but every year I donate. I was rewarded for my giving when the seat move happened and I now sit on the 50, 16 rows up on the aisle, and do I ever love those seats, so much there is no way I'll stop giving now. This year if they sell beer I'm buying , and drinking and enjoying my beer, knowing I've made Marshall richer for doing so. ( yes they should create a family section, I agree)

We need money people, it's that's simple. Beer sales create revenue. Stop bitching!

 

[herdalicious]

I'm sorry licious but this is 2016 not 1995 playing Wofford. If you really thought we could be competitive at the 1A level with a 1AA budget and donor base, you are dumber than I thought

You're right, this isn't 1995, because in 1995, Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, FIU, and FAU didn't even have football teams, UAB, MTSU, North Texas, WKU and Marshall were all playing I-AA. No, we have long since transcended those days, and now we play on a completely different level. I mean hell, we have an IPF - nobody had any of those in 1995 - so how are we not in the CFP conversation today?

 

[Herd Fever]

You're right, this isn't 1995, because in 1995, Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, FIU, and FAU didn't even have football teams, UAB, MTSU, North Texas, WKU and Marshall were all playing I-AA. No, we have long since transcended those days, and now we play on a completely different level. I mean hell, we have an IPF - nobody had any of those in 1995 - so how are we not in the CFP conversation today?

You continue to prove how ignorant you truly are.

 

[19MU88]

The thing I like about Marshall is the accessibility. I've come to grips with the fact that the upward mobility they sold me on back in the 90's didn't and is never going to pan out. The primary competition that is college football is never going to swing through Huntington, and I'm never going to see two ranked teams play in the Joan.

Marshall's main selling point now is that it's college football with a hometown feel, it close, its easy, its no hassle. But then MU decides to continue with the facade, and they start acting as if we're a big time program. My season tickets jumped from $165 to $310, so I quit buying them. They mandated a BG donation to watch practice, I quit going. They turned the in-stadium experience into an obnoxious ad-fest. They took away the game stats and run Instagram on the scoreboard instead.

At halftime, I like to go to my car; I'm not in Morgantown, my car isn't a half mile away, I'm in a stadium with 17,000 people and my ride is across the street. The rub with beer sales is now I can't do that, and for what? A small uptick in revenue for a program that gets the majority of its revenue from institutional funding?

I hate to burst anybody's bubble, but here's the truth: after watching the last 20 years of college football, I'm convinced someone could T. Boone Pickens all over Marshall, and we'd still be playing North Texas on saturday for a chance to play Northern Illinois in the bowl game.

if you don't buy tickets no one really gives a f#@% what you think

 

[-CarlHungus-]

You continue to prove how ignorant you truly are.

As an outsider to the program, I think you both have legit points here. I don't think there's ignorance abounding anywhere, especially in Herdalicious (probably the most well written poster on the boards IMO).

You just disagree about what the program should be. I"m making some assumptions here, but the way I read it is that Fever wants to see more investment in the program to try to compete at a high(er) D-1 level; I assume with the goal be making a run at a BCS (yes, I know it's not that anymore)-like bowl game with national exposure like Boise or UCF or Houston have done in recent memory. You think this is possible but it will take more money. This is not unreasonable in my opinion, but you do have some hurdles.

However, 'Licious thinks this is a fools errand because you still have some hurdles (especially being in a pretty weak conference) and despite all this investment over the past ~10-15 years you're still stuck in a conference with teams that aren't good, didn't even exist in 1995, et al. He wants the program to satisfy a niche environment where you can have a nice Saturday with buddies from around town, see some good football, and enjoy some "comfort amenities" like his car/beer close by without breaking the bank. A policy change like no pass outs and beer could change that dynamic and could potentially hurt more than hit helps.

It's just two different visions for the atmosphere/program here.

 

[The Real SamC]

If that is two visions, then I take HerdFever's. Marshall cannot afford to be some mediocre diversion for a few old men in a dying town in a dying state. That takes us back to the bad old days of the 70s and early 80s. Rotten stadium, bad teams, low rent everything. And crowds of 10 or 12 K, paying less than it cost to go to the movies. That just won't work. It is a pathway to bankruptcy.

The only hope for there to be a Marshall athletics program in 20 years, after the loonie toonies finish destroying West Virginia, is for Marshall to be a national brand with national level academics and athletics.

If you want sports run out of a cigar box which means nothing to anyone, look no futher than your local Mountain East (old WVIAC) program. State is only 22 miles up the road.

 

[Herd In the Plains]

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Thanks Chris and Andy. Had never heard of nor seen. Very very nice!

 

[jocktalker]

The Marshall Athletic Department needs money. It's that simple. Marshall should follow WVU's lead and implement beer sales for this season. I think they are carefully moving in that direction but many at Marshall and in Huntington are still clutching to provincial thinking. The university is trying to gently persuade a sizable group of supporters that the world will not come to an end if beer sales are allowed at the Joan.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Sam C, one thing you are dead wrong on is the craft beer market.

The fastest growing segment in beer is craft beer. Adjunct sales are flat or dropping. People are waking up to the fact beer does not have to taste like piss.

There are bars here that do not even serve adjuncts. And they do great business.

Samuel Adams is now a major brand. Sierra Nevada is a sizeable player in the industry. AB Inbev bough Goose Island.

If AB gets the contract, surely we can serve something from Goose Island. I would NOT purchase beer if my only choice was Piss or Piss Light. Goose Island Autumn Ale? That would be awesome.

 

[herdalicious]

if you don't buy tickets no one really gives a f#@% what you think

If I ever had any doubts about your sports marketing acumen, please allow me to put those to rest. That's schedule poster material right there.

 

[Herd Fever]

@Raoul Duke MU have you ever indulge in the Craft Brewery market here in San Diego.....Amazing

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

Indeed if your going to serve beer add at least 1 to 2 good craft beers. An IPA is my flavor of choice. Try and keep it a WV craft brewery though. Helps the state and helps Marshall.

 

[ARandomHerdFan]

 

[MStap]

I would love to see Marshall partner with Backyard/Peddler once they get their brewery up and going. I think it would be a win for all parties involved. Fans get good craft beer, Marshall gets a new revenue stream, and the brewery gets some business and publicity.

 

[wisemaniac]

The Big Green should sponsor a beerfest, sell tickets, & have fans vote for their favorite beer. The winner gets a one year contract to sell at the Joan. The Riverdogs used to do this for their stadium.

 

[19MU88]

If I ever had any doubts about your sports marketing acumen, please allow me to put those to rest. That's schedule poster material right there.

why would we market to you? you quit buying tickets over $150 and joining the BG. you would be a waste of our $. like I said, no one gives a S#!T about your thoughts. we hope you come to games but why give a F#@% what you think? really?

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

why would we market to you? you quit buying tickets over $150 and joining the BG. you would be a waste of our $. like I said, no one gives a S#!T about your thoughts. we hope you come to games but why give a F#@% what you think? really?

Ouuuuuucccccchhhhh! I'm certain the AD cares about all fans, but at this point money is the point. The fan who sat on the 50 for 25 years without giving a dime now knows, charity is over, and Marshall needs them to step up....since they won't, beer revenue is a solution.

 

[herdalicious]

You are in no way required to give an eff pound ampersand percentage about anything I say or think, but you probably need to lay off the ess apostrophe exclamation tilde schwa.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

@Raoul Duke MU have you ever indulge in the Craft Brewery market here in San Diego.....Amazing

I have not been there since I was a kid.

Our craft beer scene around Louisville is pretty good. That should be no surprise, this is a serious drinking town.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Ouuuuuucccccchhhhh! I'm certain the AD cares about all fans, but at this point money is the point. The fan who sat on the 50 for 25 years without giving a dime now knows, charity is over, and Marshall needs them to step up....since they won't, beer revenue is a solution.

But yet people are whining about not being able to leave. They still have their seats. Everyone needs to step up. I get sick of the whining. Sell beer, no pass outs, enjoy the damn game.

 

[herdalicious]

The fan who sat on the 50 for 25 years without giving a dime now knows, charity is over

Yeah, cause f--- that guy.

 

[Herd Fever]

No more Charity!!!!

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

No more Charity!!!!

Only a small fraction of the people on this board are BG members. Fewer still donated to the Vision Campaign.

 

[bbneutralfan]

Twolf how do you know that to be a fact? I asked s fact. Show us your figures as to who belongs to the Big Green and who donated to the Vision Campaign. It is so easy to post material on here behind the curtain of anonymity. Are you included in the group that you are criticizing or do you honestly belong to the BG and gave to Vision? Bottom line whatever you post in response to this who would know the truth other than yourself.

 

[Herdmeister]

Twolf how do you know that to be a fact? I asked s fact. Show us your figures as to who belongs to the Big Green and who donated to the Vision Campaign. It is so easy to post material on here behind the curtain of anonymity. Are you included in the group that you are criticizing or do you honestly belong to the BG and gave to Vision? Bottom line whatever you post in response to this who would know the truth other than yourself.

Only something like 300 people donated to the Vision campaign. All the names are on bricks in front of the BIG buffaloes.

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

Only a small fraction of the people on this board are BG members. Fewer still donated to the Vision Campaign.

Indeed. You can join for as little as 50.00 and make a difference. In fact I'd take 5000 people giving 50.00 and another 250k from beer sales and the TV contact deficit is covered.

Mmmmmmm beer.

 

[Tim Hensley]

What part of I don't want beer sales without reentry doesn't our athletic department understand?

 

[A Cousin From Richmond]

NM

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

If youre against beer sales , join the big green for 50.00 be a part of the survey and let thy voice be herd!

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Twolf how do you know that to be a fact? I asked s fact. Show us your figures as to who belongs to the Big Green and who donated to the Vision Campaign. It is so easy to post material on here behind the curtain of anonymity. Are you included in the group that you are criticizing or do you honestly belong to the BG and gave to Vision? Bottom line whatever you post in response to this who would know the truth other than yourself.

For the last decade or more the BG has hovered around 3200 members. As Meister said, only 350 or so donated to the Vision Campaign.
Yeah, I don't know who on this board donated or not, but the members on this board seem to be younger in general than those on other boards; and I know on other boards, maybe 20% of posters are BG members and even less donated to the Vision Campaign.

It kills me when people rant about our fans base and how cheap it is, but yet in some cases they don't donate or purchase season tix.