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Walter Brennaneer

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Clinton f*cked up. She just keeps letting critical security information out. She's getting dterd and Greed goofy-like.
 
So if everyone who would need to care about such things knew we had assassinated somebody, it would be cool to put that in an email on an unsecured server and send the info out?

It's one thing to "know", it's another to have it confirmed for you.
 
What she revealed turned out to be fairly common knowledge amongst those who would need to care about such timing.

It is common knowledge among anyone that knows anything about national security issues. It's a factor of simple math.

The Department of Defense itself long ago made it public knowledge in a documentary filmed on nuclear proliferation. They even filmed an actual drill for it.
 
It is common knowledge among anyone that knows anything about national security issues. It's a factor of simple math.

The Department of Defense itself long ago made it public knowledge in a documentary filmed on nuclear proliferation. They even filmed an actual drill for it.

Which means the response time is not 4 minutes. False propaganda.
 
Which means the response time is not 4 minutes. False propaganda.

What means that? That it is common knowledge? It is. My second paragraph alludes to the fact that "how" things happen is not secret. Rocket science is not a secret. That orders have to be sent and launch keys turned is not a secret. How many nukes we have is not a secret. Technical details and codes are secret...but everyone knows how fast each missile accelerates because of physics and stuff.

Or you just think you know more than you do, because you were in the Army?

Dude, it is simple math. And since I am not teaching math or a rocket science course you can google it. Missiles have to reach a certain altitude before we even know where the target is. It would be a bitch to nuke China when all they did is finally decide North Korea is a burden.

Keep in mind that the time for decision making is before an actual response, and after the President is actually notified. That takes a couple of minutes, too. There is no magic button that launches an attack lol. There is another couple minutes (gotta format EAM's) before shit is fired, and another minute before EAM is verified, missile is fire and out of blast radius (because the first thing targeted will be our missile sites and strategic air bases). POTUS has five minutes at best, and less if it is subs off the coast firing (12 minute flight time vs 30)..but both sides assume subs fire last in the case of all-out exchange.

Google "launch under attack" for more details about how the timeline is actually a component of detering an attack under MAD.

I'll see if I can pull up a journal article on that, but I don't know if you can read it without a subscription.
 
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Ok, back on desktop...I hate my phone.

Here is a recent article on the topic. It says maybe seven or eight. I think that is generous; there will be a demand to re-verify shit, because it is the most serious of shit. I am sticking with five. And I disagree with this fellow's conclusion; launch under attack is the only rational protocol, if the bastards want to take all of us out we have to respond quick and give it back to them.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/05/our-nuclear-procedures-are-crazier-than-trump/
 
What means that? That it is common knowledge? It is. My second paragraph alludes to the fact that "how" things happen is not secret. Rocket science is not a secret. That orders have to be sent and launch keys turned is not a secret. How many nukes we have is not a secret. Technical details and codes are secret...but everyone knows how fast each missile accelerates because of physics and stuff.

Or you just think you know more than you do, because you were in the Army?

Dude, it is simple math. And since I am not teaching math or a rocket science course you can google it. Missiles have to reach a certain altitude before we even know where the target is. It would be a bitch to nuke China when all they did is finally decide North Korea is a burden.

Keep in mind that the time for decision making is before an actual response, and after the President is actually notified. That takes a couple of minutes, too. There is no magic button that launches an attack lol. There is another couple minutes (gotta format EAM's) before shit is fired, and another minute before EAM is verified, missile is fire and out of blast radius (because the first thing targeted will be our missile sites and strategic air bases). POTUS has five minutes at best, and less if it is subs off the coast firing (12 minute flight time vs 30)..but both sides assume subs fire last in the case of all-out exchange.

Google "launch under attack" for more details about how the timeline is actually a component of detering an attack under MAD.

I'll see if I can pull up a journal article on that, but I don't know if you can read it without a subscription.

No, it doesn't mean I think I know more. What it means is they are not going to give away what response times are. They might make a documentary that give some details, but it won't answer everything.

They intentionally mislead all the time.
 
No, it doesn't mean I think I know more. What it means is they are not going to give away what response times are. They might make a documentary that give some details, but it won't answer everything.

They intentionally mislead all the time.

In this case that does not matter, there is nothing to mislead. Again, it is simple math and rocket science; there is no fudging of numbers and no magical way to know exactly what is happening until certain parameters are met and read. Read that article. If anything, it should make you (being my age) a little more understanding of just what we lived under each day in the Cold War: some really scary shit. It would have happened that fast. Did you do the nuke drills when you were a kid? We did. What a joke. Everyone would have had a minute or two to put their heads between their legs and kiss their ass goodbye.
 
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