Whether we want to admit it or not, the cats in Charley West would close Marshall before they ever seriously cut WVU’s resources or funding. They’d do it in a heartbeat.
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Who said anything about suing? Your post is fear based. There is leverage because the P5 stands on the G5. There are only 10 schools maybe 15 programs in the P5 that could laugh it off because they're that far above the rest of the P5. The other 40-50 P5s would bottom out quickly if their OoC games had to feature other P5 schools.
Things are the way they are now because too many schools operate in fear. So what you get something withheld as a threat. It happens to us now. We get stuff withheld to inflate WVU so they can appear on the same level of the top schools/teams. You know how many times we've tried to get programs, but we're denied because WVU either already has them and we don't need two(one of the reasons we get denied a law school) or we can't afford for both to have it. WVU would be one of the programs that would bottom out in a P5/G5 split. They're just middle of the road now. Take away those Bill&Mary games and they're screwed.
I mean we act like if we just keep the status quo that somehow we actually belong.
It's the same deal with Notre Dame. They mess up so much because they're independent and for some reason conferences are scared to death to take a stand. If all the conferences agreed to freeze them out they'd have to join a conference. They already do for their other sports. The ACC grew somewhat of a backbone when they told them in order to bring in their other sports they'd have to agree to schedule X number of ACC teams each year in football.
Most of the messed up crap in life is because good people sit on their hands and do nothing out of fear of what could happen even though the current situation is already equally messed up and is going to eventually lead them to their feared outcome.
And let me be clear. I'm not demanding Marshall or the G5 be given a "seat at the table". I'm saying we should leave those corrupt programs, conferences, bowl execs, and the like to cannablize each other and rot. This is what they've always wanted. They just can't see past their arrogance that what they want would do them in.
The G5 would be better off. FCS teams have no issues fielding teams and building facilities without the bowl system.
If we don't have a season this year or even have a season, but with no fans every team is going to be faced with hard decisions.
And they would do it in a heartbeat. Don't think that there hasn't been efforts made for WVU and Marshall to merge and do to us what they did to Tech. I've heard the conversations between some of the higher ups in the state. They honestly believed that the state would look better if it had just one major University. You know because people look at North Carolina and think they're a bunch of uneducated backwoods hicks.
No, they could just play among themselves. Raise ticket prices and tv revenue could go up. Yehh the might lose more games, but all of the sudden you have better games and better tv games. Schools like Marshall need the money games. Florida just replaces Marshall with Indiana and so on. Not a big deal.
People follow the NFL and nobody is perfect. Teams win division with mediocre records. It is all relative. The SEC is going ot survive whether their teams are playing Troy State or not. Notre Dame makes it because they have one of the biggest followings on the planet and they can get their own tv deals.
It hurts the small schools more than the big schools. Not saying it doesn't hurt them as well, but they will make and eventually the money will talk.
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All the public schools in North Carolina do fall under one university system, called the University of NC System. It is the collection of 17 state run schools.
System yes. UNC, Duke, NCST, and Wake are still their own entities. As are the other universities. They want Marshall to actually be a part of WVU and dissolve athletics at Marshall. We'd be WVU at Huntington. I listened to the conversation and it blew my mind. A lot of it just sounded like fueled hatred for Marshall and pure WVU ignorance.
It's never gained traction, but it's maddening to know they talk about it.
I think you're completely wrong. Games are not going to be more compelling. You're assuming you're going to get the prime bowl matchups in the regular season. Now what's going to happen is Alabama is going to replace their G5 opponent they usually play with a team like Indiana or Rutgers. The bottom of the P5 are going to end up taking place of the G5/FCs patsy game. Eventually the bottom half of the P5 are going to start hating life pretty quickly. Their fans are going to stop showing up and money is going to dry up pretty quickly. Team like UK that have "magical" 8 win seasons will no longer be sniffing around that mark. Those 6-8 win P5s are going to now be 3-5 win schools. Teams like WVU that are on the fringe of very good to good in the P5 are going to fall down a rung and be lucky to get 6-8 wins a season. WVU struggles now to finish better than a middle of the road P5.
Schools like Marshall need the money games because we are trying to keep up with an arms race that in reality we aren't even in. The same goes for the rest of the G5. Take those schools in the AAC for example. They are spending their butts off because they have this delusion that there is a place being held for them at the table. They even call themselves P6. Considering Houston, Cincy, and USF were already evaluated during realignment and were denied. Considering Houston was pushed out a long time ago because the P5/BCS whatever you want to call them schools did not think they belonged with them.
Teams in the G5 have to chase pay days to stay in "competitive" in the current system.
I'm saying we walk away from the current system. Let the arrogant elitist P5s have what they want. All this talk of we won't matter or we're going to lose money. Wake up. Look around and what's happening. I don't even mean with this virus garbage. Media deals were already imploding. Disney has told ESPN to cut costs. All that wild spending that went on 10 years ago for conference media packages isn't happening going forward. Article after article has been written about it. That here soon that ESPN will just be doing a la carte deals. They'll just be bidding on and getting the games they think will draw the most viewers instead of making deals with an entire conference for hundreds of millions. Look at CUSA. Look how much we've fallen. We had a deal with ESPN then went to FS1 then CBS Sports then to Stadium then to whatever that Localized network was 3 years ago with what was it Sinclair Broadcasting to now most of our game are on FB Live or Stadium Live where if you're lucky you're Stadium's game of the week and you get put on their "TV" channel that you may or may not get in your area.
We can stay the path we're on right now. We can keep watching coaching salaries go up while the money goes down and eventually find ourselves in a graveyard. It's going to happen if things do not change. ODU just admitted that they opened an exploratory committee to look into leaving CUSA because it's costing them an average of 2 million more per season than they anticipated. Charlotte has been asking the same questions. Did Coastal Carolina really need to move up?
See that's the other problem. FBS has gotten what too big. There are too many teams that really have not business playing up on this level. They don't have the history, the fan base, or the funding to do it. They were better off in the FCS, but they wanted that FBS affiliation in hope it would boost attendance and enrollment. It spiked for schools like ODU and Charlotte, but I told all those people preaching market and "potential" that they would enjoy a honeymoon phase and then crash back down to earth. That as the losses mounted the excitement would erode and so would all that funding.
It was easier to do this 10, 15, or 20 years ago when your HC wasn't making 1 million plus a year and TV deals were being thrown around.
And to those that think we won't matter any longer if there was a split. No one outside of the competing schools gives to craps about their bowl game. Sure people watch them because it's bowl season, but you could ask 10 random college football fans and they wouldn't know the name of the bowl Marshall played in this year or the teams involved. A G5 playoff wouldn't be any worse. ESPN televises FCS playoff games so that is a moot point. And to those that will cry about the loss of that "valuable" month of practice time leading up to the bowl. We seemed to be able to improve quite effectively under a playoff system in the late 80s and the 90s. It didn't seem to hold us back.
But I guess we could just stay status quo, bow to our P5 overlords, and spend ourselves into oblivion in hopes we may get to play in a random named bowl that won't exists once the naming rights contract runs out in 3-5 seasons.
I made a point about how there are some higher ups in the state gov that believe if West Virginia had only one major University the state would look better. I used NC to point out a state that is full of major universities and that doesn't seem to hinder people's opinions on them or degrade their schools.
Just shows the ignorance of some that have been running the state of wv.
I'd say about 90% of the P5 would need the G5. The truly elite 10% don't. They'll have marquee games and take all the TV and revenue to themselves.
Its doubtful the elite P5's would shake in their boots at the idea of a G5 unified "pay us more or thabk you, **** you, bye"
The 10% of the P5 control the 90% of the P5...and they can certainly cherrypick from the lower levels of the P5 and really not have to worry about it.
The remaining body of the P5...not so much.
I don't see CUSA making it orsurviving in its current form. Bad product spread out over a continent and now a near depression. And, every time there is a flu, seasonal allergy, cold, or case of strep throat the American public will bow down and the nanny state will be screaming shut it down.
I do see the MAC surviving(it is like a one of those bug you can't kill). It will always be around. Somehow is just survives.
I see Marshall coming out this with two choices. Going down to FCS or going back to the MAC in order to reduce costs. That's just my opinion. It was coming anyway and this just accelerated it.
The amount of budget cuts coming to states and higher education will be astronomical. This thing that was suppossed to a 2 to 4 week slow the bell curve turned into a change of the whole country, perhaps forever.
How they hell is Mashall going to field football teams and volleyball teams to fly to El Paso , Texas when the govt is paying people 3 or 4 grand a month not to work or planning on giving citizens two grand a month because of a virus?
This is why I say go. I know they won't ever share and be equal partners. That's what the G5 needs to stop lying to themselves. We went from a possibility of access to four new year's bowl games to now 65 teams strive against one another for one "premier" bowl. The new playoff system ensured that is our ceiling.
Screw em!
I tell you one thing that that could be looked at. With CUSA schools and other G5s suffering the Sun Belt and CUSA should do a swap. Merge CUSA East with the SunBelt East and then CUSA West with SunBelt West. I assume the two Western divisions would be CUSA seeing how the brass has that Texas bias. That would save both conferences a ton of money we spend on travel.
Yea we'd be the Sun Belt, but we'd still retain our CUSA East brethren and we'd be back on ESPN as the Sun Belt has a deal with them.
No G5 conference should be spread out like these two conferences are. Ours more so, but still.
The only downside is losing Southern Miss.
There is a reason there are more and more “neutral” site OOC games. Why pay insert “g5/1-aa here” when you can get paid to go play Oregon at Jerry’s world and make more money
It's a chicken-egg proposition I think. On one side, you have the folks who work in the Athletic Department, whose careers (both professional and financial) are tied to the performance of the teams they field. There is an onus to raise as many resources as they can, but also to allocate all of those resources in the hopes of having the best effect on the outcomes for the teams.
At the same time, they are behoven to a small group of well-heeled donors, whose large donations play a big part in the budget, and also come with expectations. Expectations that the team will do well, but also that the athletic department will honor their "sacrifice" by spending all of their resources on the same effort. An Athletic Director who keeps a cash reserve, or budgets under revenues is treated as "doing nothing" for the program, and would very quickly be out of a job.
We're entering a period where we are forced to be rational about things, but this is one of the most irrational dynamics in our society, and I have to think that once the smoke clears in ten years or so, everything will be right back to the way it was.
If in the event Akron drops to I- AA, would you the fans be okay with a return to the MAC? Or would you be better with a CUSA/Sun Belt East and West split? Akron is expected to make some sort of announcement in the near future about the athletic budget and related topics. I'd personally be okay with the second choice if Akron stays at Division I for football. Better matchups old and new plus saving on $. Only drawback is not having Southern Miss. The only thing about the MAC is those damn Tuesday and Wednesday night games, but at the end of the day, it's better than what we currently have as far as our conference.
I have no interest in going to the lowest rated football conference in America. I would prefer creating a SB/CUSA merge but even staying in current CUSA would be better that the MAC. As we are seeing now, the MAC may be in bigger trouble than all the other G5 leagues with the cuts they have announced
No way we can afford to stay in CUSA in its current form. The league and AD's need to figure out something quick before the league implodes. Possibly split and merge regional teams from the SB and create a more geographically friendly league. We have no business going to Texas or LA, and certainly need to cut down trips to FL, if not eliminate them altogether. We would still recruit there, as we did years before we were ever in CUSA.
As I said, I would prefer to consolidate with some SB schools. I just don't want to go back to trips to Kent, Ypsilanti and Mt. Pleasant
Honestly herdmeister and I’m not trying to slam you, but I really hope that our athletic department isn’t making decisions off of where our fans prefer to travel. During this time and for the foreseeable future expense management is going to be huge for everybody in FBS with the exception of the most wealthy of the FBS schools and even with them I’m not sure that they are coming out of this unscathed.
Marshall needs to be in a conference where the travel is regional. It’s bad enough having our money making sports travel to places where they have to take planes let alone our softball or women’s basketball, baseball etc going to places like El Paso or Houston or Louisiana or even Florida.
The powers that be in the G5 conferences including the American conference have to look at what makes sense geographically and realign to make it work. Because the budget situation going on with colleges right now, not just in Athletics but academia in general is not good so the old standard of how things are being done is not sustainable. So if you have to travel to Cleveland or Oxford or Bowling Green instead of Dallas and Orlando then that’s something you are going to have to accept.
THIS! Recently, our fans don’t travel that well anyway. Not a lot to get excited about on the football side.
Totally understood. I and the group I meet up with, enjoy the whole weekend experience, not just a game.
We pick a great place for dinner on Friday night and depending on the game time we tour the area on Saturday and then the game at night, or if a day game then another great restaurant Sat night
WVU - The MU-WVU issue is older than anyone here. It never will change, unless there is a massive political change statewide that never will happen. The only differences are the shrinking state population and the fact that Marshall's half of the state is the one doing most of the shrinking.
But understand that WVU is a de facto private school. Management has no interest in dealing with WVians outside a few non-typical wealthy areas. Its main interest in WV is in WV taxpayer $$. Nothing more. And in making sure that programs WV needs at other schools go unfunded, such as their 40 year war on the MU med school and the osteopathic college in Lewisburg, and many other examples.
The time is coming when hard decisions must be made about WV colleges. Of course, IMHO, the best decisions involve padlocks at the state colleges, but understand that WVU's goal is to get yet more money to educate the people it cares about, rich upper middle class white suburban kids from the east coast drawn by the "big football - drunken - Animal House" atmosphere, close to open admissions, and ultra low WV taxpayer subsidized tuition (often lower than the in-state tuition at their own school which turned them down.)
Akron - This thread starts from an Akron article, but it is wrong to assume that Akron is unique and MU could theoretically drop into its slot. The same thing you could write about the same article about most of the MAC. Its model is just not sustainable anymore, and when the Disney Dollars run out, that is all she wrote.
I-AA - The blunt fact is that I-AA football is a recipe to lose money at all but a handful of schools. The idea that MU can just play-pretend that the last 25 years never happened and excite the fanbase over wins over mighty Furman, or Howard, or San Marcos State, is just wrong.
But understand that WVU is a de facto private school. Management has no interest in dealing with WVians outside a few non-typical wealthy areas. Its main interest in WV is in WV taxpayer $$. Nothing more. And in making sure that programs WV needs at other schools go unfunded, such as their 40 year war on the MU med school and the osteopathic college in Lewisburg, and many other examples.
The time is coming when hard decisions must be made about WV colleges. Of course, IMHO, the best decisions involve padlocks at the state colleges, but understand that WVU's goal is to get yet more money to educate the people it cares about, rich upper middle class white suburban kids from the east coast drawn by the "big football - drunken - Animal House" atmosphere, close to open admissions, and ultra low WV taxpayer subsidized tuition (often lower than the in-state tuition at their own school which turned them down.)
Akron - This thread starts from an Akron article, but it is wrong to assume that Akron is unique and MU could theoretically drop into its slot. The same thing you could write about the same article about most of the MAC. Its model is just not sustainable anymore, and when the Disney Dollars run out, that is all she wrote.
I-AA - The blunt fact is that I-AA football is a recipe to lose money at all but a handful of schools. The idea that MU can just play-pretend that the last 25 years never happened and excite the fanbase over wins over mighty Furman, or Howard, or San Marcos State, is just wrong.
Wait till the 10% elite schools figure this out for themselves...everyone will be screwed.
I feel wvu is going to be hit much harder than MU simply because the lack of out of state students on campus. Wvu thrives off of that (many schools do). Lack of campus presence = no money.
Even online wouldn't be able to bail them out.
