She is sitting in jail over a religious belief. There could have been an alternative measure.
No reason to really jail her other than some activist judge making his point.
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She is sitting in jail over a religious belief. There could have been an alternative measure.
No reason to really jail her other than some activist judge making his point.
Toes, is the POTUS enforcing the immigration laws of this country?
Simple yes or no will do.
How about the sanctuary cities breaking federal law?
Should we start jailing them?
Herdman, are you seriously taking this position, or just stirring the pot? I mean, it is a no-brainer.
You would be ready to nuke Mecca if a Muslim clerk denied a Christian a government service.
You would be ready to nuke Mecca if a Muslim clerk denied a Christian a government service.
There were alternate measures. She could have resigned. She could have had her deputies do the gay marriage certificates. Those were things she could have done.
Rand Paul took the same position last night I heard him.
I am serious. I would not have her put in jail. There could have been alternative measures put in place other than putting a woman in jail for a religious belief. Jail? Are you kidding me?
Temporarily remove her. Suspend her. Hell, restraining order against being with 500 ft of her office. Hell, home confinement. House arrest. Jail? Give the power to the deputy clerk(s). Bring in a mobile office from another county. Set it up at the 4H.
Jail? Cruel and unusual punishment.
one day you'll hopefully get it through your thick skull. she wasn't put in jail for her religious belief(s). she was put in jail for not following a court order that said she had to do her job of upholding the constitution of the united states.
you think in all your pussification rants, this would be another one of them. this lady was crapping on the constitution of our country, that you fought for and your son is fighting for, because of her personal feelings. she's basically saying piss on the constitution, piss on america, and yet you're backing her...
I understand (incorrectly perhaps) that there are 2 punishments for civil contempt of court....fines or jail.
for the billionth time, she wasn't put in jail for her religious beliefs.
Let's say I had a religion which taught followers that all women should obey men (sounding familiar, Christians and Muslims?), AND that women are ordered to have sex with any man who requests it from them.
So, due to my religious beliefs, I forced my way into girls. Would i be going to jail for my religious beliefs or because I violated the law?
Let's say I had a religion which taught followers that all women should obey men (sounding familiar, Christians and Muslims?), AND that women are ordered to have sex with any man who requests it from them.
So, due to my religious beliefs, I forced my way into girls. Would i be going to jail for my religious beliefs or because I violated the law?
But doesn't she have a government job? And isn't one of her Job duties is issuing certificates to sodomites. I agree with her beliefs but her job comes first and if she doesn't want to perform her job duties, then she can quit
He has deported more illegal immigrants then any other president in US History
I wouldn't be shocked we trained this guy like the majority of the ISIS fighters
You mean the same way Dems dumped Hillary last time she ran for an unknown "well spoken" 1 term black senator?
Imagine the outrage from bc and herdman if there was a Muslim running a local DMV and they refused to grant one of their wives a driver's license because of their deeply-held belief in Sharia Law which forbids certain rights to women.
This is the EXACT same thing. Do your job or get out of the way and someone else will do it for you. This idiot **** isn't being jailed for her religious beliefs; she's being jailed because she's not performing the duties of her job and she's in a position that she can't be properly "fired."
This is the EXACT same thing. Do your job or get out of the way and someone else will do it for you. This idiot **** isn't being jailed for her religious beliefs; she's being jailed because she's not performing the duties of her job and she's in a position that she can't be properly "fired."
Do you not find jailing her to be above and beyond what was necessary. The old murox would not have like judges who make law(including the Supreme Court) and the federal government coming into a county a jailing an elected official.
So here is the head scratching point. Why is the woman still in jail?
The fed judge tossed her in jail and now the deputy clerks are performing the task. In essence through this judges ruling he made it so the subordinates can do this. So, why is she still in jail.
Her authority in the matter obviously means nothing to the Nazi in The Robe.
The fed judge tossed her in jail and now the deputy clerks are performing the task. In essence through this judges ruling he made it so the subordinates can do this. So, why is she still in jail.
Her authority in the matter obviously means nothing to the Nazi in The Robe.
This judge did not make the law. He is following the law as it pertains to her "contempt" (which she is guilty of). Being held in contempt of a court order permits incarceration.
Rand Paul is basically saying the same thing. No need to throw her in jail. That is ludicrous to do so.
They obviously can issue the certificates without her certification.
They obviously can issue the certificates without her certification.
Well, looks like another law suit. Might be a good point. How are they valid if the county clerk doesn't certify them?
What is the point of having a county clerk if a deputy can certify something anyway.
Oh yehh....get the lawyers this is going to be good.
Herdman, she has proven to be a little tyrant that forbid her deputies to sign the licenses, closed the office rather than face her duties, and threaten to fire the deputies if they did their job.
She holds the keys to her own cell. All she has to do is agree to issue the papers, agree to allow the deputies to do so, or resign if her she feels she can't do the first two. No one but herself is keeping her in jail.
I assure you a deputy clerk can sign a marriage license. The clerk's name just needs to be typed in. This happens every day in Louisville, because Jefferson County has six satellite offices for the County Clerk where deputies sign the paper.
I am surprised a law and order guy like you is looking so lightly at someone thumbing their nose at a judge. A Christian, Republican male judge at that.
She holds the keys to her own cell. All she has to do is agree to issue the papers, agree to allow the deputies to do so, or resign if her she feels she can't do the first two. No one but herself is keeping her in jail.
I assure you a deputy clerk can sign a marriage license. The clerk's name just needs to be typed in. This happens every day in Louisville, because Jefferson County has six satellite offices for the County Clerk where deputies sign the paper.
I am surprised a law and order guy like you is looking so lightly at someone thumbing their nose at a judge. A Christian, Republican male judge at that.
No need for her to be in jail since the certificates are being issued anyway. Her authority was rendered useless. Son why is she in jail.
She's in jail because she refuses to agree to allow her deputies sign the licenses. She would just go back to her office and refuse to issue licenses again. Judge is not going to allow that again.
There are 30 magistrates in NC not issuing marriage certificates. The way NC law is written that it let's them out based on religious convictions.
KY needs to rewrite its legislation and all will be good.
KY needs to rewrite its legislation and all will be good.
North Carolina passed a law allowing magistrates to opt out of performing all marriages.
Exactly extra green. That is my point. KY should do the same thing. Opt out of all marriages. If I were a clerk or magistrate and had the choice to opt out then. I would. Nobody get a license or married by me.
There's a huge difference between handing out a marriage license and actually performing a marriage.
Sure. Till they do though the lady preventing her job from being done will have to stay in jail or resign.
I ageee, hokies she will. No need to but she will. The federal judge has stripped of her all he power. She could just go file paperwork and sweep the floor as the federal judge has ruled that her subordinates hold the same authority.
And you would be in violation of KY 402.080, which states the license shall be issued by the clerk of the county. Whoops.
Raoul is stated if they passed legislation similar to north carolinas. Utah has the same deal as well.
It protects homosexuals and the authorities right to religious freedom.
It protects homosexuals and the authorities right to religious freedom.
This has nothing to do with religious freedom. She can still believe her gobbledygook all she wishes.
Kentucky can change the law if they like. What they can't change is the counties that would support it will still be backwoods shitholes with no economy. Corporations do not like to set up shop around bigots and ignoramus populations. And that's fine, Louisville, Lexington, and NY KY will just continue to grow and prosper, and maybe get smart one day and form a 51st state.
Kentucky can change the law if they like. What they can't change is the counties that would support it will still be backwoods shitholes with no economy. Corporations do not like to set up shop around bigots and ignoramus populations. And that's fine, Louisville, Lexington, and NY KY will just continue to grow and prosper, and maybe get smart one day and form a 51st state.
I don't think that law hurt NC at all.
Corporations are not coming to Rowan County or Pike County anyway.
What I like about the NC regulation is that it lets the magistrates opt out if they desire to.
By magistrate, you mean a judge perfoming the ceremony? I have no problem with them opting out as long as the law allows it and they can opt out for any reason....I wouldn't marry a child molester to a 17 year old, for example.
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