B1G made it official
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School presidents said they won't care what coaches and players want to do. Bottom line, it's either an agenda, or more than likely, scared this could potentially go south, and costs them a fortune in liability costs.
Serious question: what on earth would that agenda be?
I would love to answer your question, but recent forum rules changes indicate I would be in violation of policy.
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Tough Spot. They had said yesterday they were most likely going to cancel. Players, Coaches, Prez (Not Political); tried to convince them otherwise. This morning there was optimism they would wait and see, Big-10 Governors probably didn't wait to walk back yesterdays vote, save face and just go ahead with the cancel. So does this include basketball as well; it's a fall sport.
Pac-10 will soon follow, Governor out here is putting pressure on California teams to not play. Then it's wait and see what the rest do. SEC and CUSA seem to have decided to play. If the rest follow suit, could be a fun year.
Checking other message boards Colo St. and Boise St. fans are looking for a one season conference to join.
In college, basketball is considered to be a Winter sport, despite starting in November. Good chance though, it will be moved to a later start
It is going to be interesting to see when the announcements come as much as anything... With the Big10 gone, MountainWest gone, MAC gone, Pac12 gone tomorrow and multiple other teams saying no thanks (UConn, UMass, ODU) the chances of a season being played this fall are slim to none, and slim is saddling his horse to leave town.
Also, no conference is going to let schools leave for a year because they don't like a conference decision... The only way BSU, Colorado State, etc could change leagues is if another league wanted them (no one does) and they left the MountainWest for good, thus making themselves independent for future seasons (the schools don't want/can't afford that).
Fall football will be dead in the next two weeks... Maybe the Big10 can figure out a way to pull it off in the spring and get others on board. Otherwise, see you guys for tailgating in September 2021.
If the Big-12, SEC, ACC still stick around? They will be football. I'm not sure if anyone cares what UConn, Umass, and ODU think (all three should have cancelled with FCS; since that is where they should be)..
Neb. is trying to join the SEC. Believe me under the circumstances MTW would make exceptions. Are they really going to toss Boise aside? Lose their gift horse? Probably, not.
I mentioned yesterday, how is spring going to work? If it starts in March or April and only play Conference play it would still take 3. - 3.5 months. That put the end of NCAAF in June or July. What? Have a one month break and start getting ready for the 2021 season? Again, Probably not. Sure as hell the NFL is not going to postpone their draft less then a month before Training Camp starts and try to negotiate all of the contracts. If NCAA football does not play this fall, don't play at all.
The Big12, ACC and SEC wont stick around to play fall games... They will draw it out but cancel. The P5 operates almost like a cartel and they know that sticking together is their best option.
BSU can leave the MountainWest if it wants to pay to get out, but they wont... In the most uncertain time of our lifetime, they will not want to risk years of additional uncertainty for the possibility of a few football games this year.
Nebraska is not leaving the Big10, the conference commissioner said as much today and they have been walking back Scott Frost's statements for the last 24 hours..https://www.espn.com/college-footba...urces-big-ten-pulls-plug-fall-football-season
I agree that spring football is not a good plan, and if that's the route the powers that be want to go, they should just wait to next fall.
BSU can leave the MountainWest if it wants to pay to get out, but they wont... In the most uncertain time of our lifetime, they will not want to risk years of additional uncertainty for the possibility of a few football games this year.
Nebraska is not leaving the Big10, the conference commissioner said as much today and they have been walking back Scott Frost's statements for the last 24 hours..https://www.espn.com/college-footba...urces-big-ten-pulls-plug-fall-football-season
I agree that spring football is not a good plan, and if that's the route the powers that be want to go, they should just wait to next fall.
We are not allowed to answer that per the rules. Don't try to bait any of us.
What a country liable for someone catching a virusI am Sure it is totally all that. We believe that .
Guess every cold and flu season is out from now on.
I chose to play college football on my own free will. I caught a virus from somewhere that nobody could ever prove where and it is the liability. Oh wait, we play football where people blow knees out, have broken necks, broken legs, and concussions all the time and take a chancre on getting put in a wheelchair for life but it is the liability of a virus that has a small chance of effecting 20 year olds. lOkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
Meanwhile I can go through Taco Bell and buy a taco from some dude making 7 bucks an hour. Gotcha.
Is the state of Georgia worried about lawsuits with school kids in school right now. Don't you think they have ugggh lawyers???
Disney World is open. Do you think Disney has ugghgh lawyers?
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Kinda’ like how football is considered a fall sport despite starting in the summer, eh?
The P5's and schools who opt to play, should (and we all know they won't) have an official statement declaring why they are playing and should also make it clear that "Dr. _______ has agreed/spoken that this is safe" or whomever they consult.
You might end up getting that too, since I believe the SEC is wanting a medical board panel for ALL the NCAA.
However, with the Pac-12 and Big-10 showing, you'll get very few doctors who actually think its a good idea, but they'll be hand picked by whoever opens their checkbook, and whichever doctor is ready to toss in their medical credentials for said blank check.
It'll be the same as the NFL finding that one doctor who denied the head trauma/contact from playing caused CTE.
Under current basketball rules, it is now a year round sport.
Teams can start practicing w hours a week as a team the week following the NCAA tournament. Marshall starts in late April and doesn't stop until we play our last game whenever that ends up being
I have a lot of the same questions.
But I can’t wrap my head around why 4 conferences (so far) are willing to lose millions, possibly jeopardizing their programs, if it isn’t due to fear of liability down the road.
Listening to Caridi and the wvu clan on the radio last night, there are fears from the schools about testing. And keep in mind, it isn't just football. It's the testing of ALL Fall sports athletes. Brad Howe mentioned last night that pro baseball is having trouble testing their players. BILLIONAIRE owners, with less players to manage, are having trouble with testing. They're testing 3 times/week and many times are testing players for the 2/3 time that week, without knowing the results of the test taken prior.
Now, again, if it's not a liability issue, why would these owners be testing that much? If pro teams with much smaller rosters are struggling, how can you expect athletic programs (not just football teams) to perform at even a slightly lesser rate?
You're making a logical argument, I get what you're saying. But these schools aren't liable if Sam Jones gets COVID from John Smith who makes $7/hr at Taco Bell. But these schools are liable if Sam Jones spreads it through a whole team because testing was inadequate and/or proper protocols weren't followed somewhere along the line. You know how people are. They'll sue for every dime they can get.
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If a mining company knows a mine is not stable, yet still sends miners into that environment and a collapse occurs, the mining company can be held liable for damages in a court of law.
Does that scenario give you equal discomfort?
Absolutely. In a courtroom you know that the plaintiff will fi d do tors to say that the college had been warned and should have known the danger, That money took a president over safety.
Believe me, I'm not saying I condone or agree with this but facts are facts
It would have been interesting, had Universities attempted to have their players sign a waiver, eliminating them from liability. One has to wonder how many disappointed players (and parents) would have signed on the dotted line.
I’m not sure what to think about the liability angle.
I don’t think it is completely congruent with on campus open fall classes (I’m not sure which colleges are back in person and which aren’t though).
Travis is a troll, but some merit here, no?
*if it matters at all, I’m slightly in camp of no on campus classes. Bars/social gatherings/churches are where we’re seeing our cases.
I don’t think it is completely congruent with on campus open fall classes (I’m not sure which colleges are back in person and which aren’t though).
Travis is a troll, but some merit here, no?
*if it matters at all, I’m slightly in camp of no on campus classes. Bars/social gatherings/churches are where we’re seeing our cases.
I also think the “liability” angle may be more of an attempt to protect amateurism as well. If the players take some risk to play it makes more sense to pay them.
If they start allowing the players to have unions and sign contracts/waivers you begin even further down the “pay them” route ...
If they start allowing the players to have unions and sign contracts/waivers you begin even further down the “pay them” route ...
Yeah, that's legit. But most schools are giving people the option to not be on campus. It's all about money too at the end of the day. The liability angle may be overblown, but when looking at "Risk vs Reward", what are they really gaining by having empty stadiums? You also have all of the other fall sports programs to worry about too, who lose money during normal times. You can't shut them down and play football.
I think you're hitting on something here too. By making players sign a waiver, you're begging them to unionize. It's coming anyway, but making them sign a waiver is ensuring that presence is real on the other side of this thing.
I'm not sure that is a good analogy. But in any case, I'm going back through my records of everytime I have been sick in recent years and calling an attorney. Thanks for the info.
Let me also add, when it comes to the waiver aspect, the language in the waiver is important. Who puts out the waiver? The conferences or the schools? What happens if Trevor Lawrence prefers the language in Justin Fields' waiver? Or if the Big10 players like the language in the SEC's waiver and they battle over that? What if football players band together and say they won't sign it unless there is X amount of testing per week? Because if you test the football team, you also have to test the volleyball, soccer, field hockey, cross country, etc teams that much as well.
Again, this is mid-August.
Again, this is mid-August.
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Here's the major difference: regular students only receive a service from the school, student athletes also provide a service to the school (in exchange for compensation in the form of a scholarship and room and board).
A regular student is free to choose to attend or not attend without penalty. Also, the regular student is not being asked by the school to perform any task that would require them to incur risk of infection. Student athletes, on the other hand, have an agreement with the school to perform for compensation, and in doing so, expose themselves to potential infection.
Posts above regarding their amateur status being a major roadblock are spot on. If the college athletes had a player's union or other collective bargaining entity, the liability the schools face would be greatly reduced. That's the biggest difference between college and pro's.
Personally, I don't think in-class instruction is going to be possible until the vaccine is available. I think all of this debate and hand-wringing is just an exercise in delaying the inevitable decision that everyone kind of knew was coming even back in the Spring. Everybody is just afraid to admit it. I know everyone is getting political about this, but the truth of the situation is that its mankind vs. a disease.
It's not Trump's fault it exists, its not a Liberal conspiracy, its just a terrible fact that we all want to just wish away, but we can't. So we're doing the only other thing we know how to do in a crisis: screaming at each other.
it's a terrible fact with greater than 99.9% survival rate for the age group that the players are in.
So, you think Disney World and the State of Georgia are willing to take that risk?
How do you sue someone over a virus?
I am working every day. You think my employer is liable if I catch a virus?
Myrtle Beach SC just had a high school wrestling tournament, a girls softball tournament. You think they are going to get sued?
the mining analogy was a terrible analogy. There is MSHA, OSHA, etc. Gross negligence of unsafe practices.
I am going to sue someone over getting the flu? Get Real. You don't think Disney Corporation has lawyers? hhaaaa
I think Disney is hemorraging cash and took the risk in desperation, but they are implementing social distancing guidelines in their park and taking steps to prevent employees from being infected. Read up on it, they've changed a ton of practices in response to the pandemic, including ending guest interactions with mascots. No word on whether they are requiring their employees to tackle guests in the open field.
As to what you can and cannot be sued for - and I'm sorry guys, this requires a little reading as well - that is still in debate. Mitch McConnell wants a provision in the next relief package that would essentially make it impossible to sue, no matter the circumstances, but even President Trump opposes it. Its a major sticking point in the current negotiations, but again, you'd only know that if you read the news.
There are approximately 12,650 Division 1 College Football players.
0.1% of that number is 12.650. I wasn't sure how to represent the 0.650 of a young person that you're okay with seeing die for college football.
So does this mean you’re all in on the HERD or are you going to remain a fan whore and have two teams still?
