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Birthright Citizenship is no more with Executive Order

This is an easy case for the Supreme Court. And trump trying to rile up his base like these two idiots. No way in hell this executive order makes it anywhere outside of a trash can. It usurps the constitution. You two “comstitutionalists” should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this
 
This is an easy case for the Supreme Court. And trump trying to rile up his base like these two idiots. No way in hell this executive order makes it anywhere outside of a trash can. It usurps the constitution. You two “comstitutionalists” should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this
It’s all about hate. Big cuntry and the other ass clowns on here support anything based on hate that trump says. Doesn’t matter if it flys in the face of the constitution if it contributes to the hate message it’s all good.
 
This is an easy case for the Supreme Court. And trump trying to rile up his base like these two idiots. No way in hell this executive order makes it anywhere outside of a trash can. It usurps the constitution. You two “comstitutionalists” should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this
Who said, I supported it? I am just relaying the news of the day.
 
It’s all about hate. Big cuntry and the other ass clowns on here support anything based on hate that trump says. Doesn’t matter if it flys in the face of the constitution if it contributes to the hate message it’s all good.

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Maybe.

How do you interpret “subject to the jurisdiction thereof?”

I interpret you watch too much Faux and read too many far-right blogs.

Let me ask you the question that should be asked: given "unlawful immigration" was not an issue in 1866, what do you think was intended at that time? I would say it should be interpreted to mean the children of diplomats...you know, people not subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Or would you prefer the interpretation you hint at, which could be extrapolated to mean all foreign nationals in the US are not subject to our jurisdiction?

A modern view question would be, have we since moved to expand or limit citizenship under the Citizenship Clause, thus showing a continuation of both intent and spirit? I believe the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 makes that clear (understanding "Indians not taxed" is important to understanding that whole issue, it really turns it into an issue of granting birth citizenship regardless of what you, and far-right idiots, are thinking of as "jurisdiction"). Also, have we contained or expanded any right of the government to revoke the citizenship of native born people (answer: we had contained it in both code and SCOTUS decision).
 
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Let me ask as you the question that should be asked:
got damn, mr. should-be-able-to-carry-conversation-with-no-grammar-issues-with-college-educated-people, aka grammar nazi, what in the actual fvck happened here?
 
Good read on this issue.

It's actually a closer call than I initially thought, but think he will ultimately lose before SCOTUS.

 
It is going to the Senate being introduced by Sen Graham South Carolina.
 
got damn, mr. should-be-able-to-carry-conversation-with-no-grammar-issues-with-college-educated-people, aka grammar nazi, what in the actual fvck happened here?

Doing three things at once, multi-tasking and shit while trying to edit my comment. Obvious edit leftover should be obvious, verses the mouthbreathers that don't know their from there.

* I fixed it, you happy now you fairy?
 
Doing three things at once, multi-tasking and shit while trying to edit my comment. Obvious edit leftover should be obvious, verses the mouthbreathers that don't know their from there.

* I fixed it, you happy now you fairy?
if you're going to give people shit for grammar, dickface, wear it . . . all the time. no excuses. :D
 
The 14th Admendment and "subject to the jurisdiction of" is not as decided/settled as some lead on. The 14th Amendment has come in front of the SC 10 times, but never for a matter related to birthright citizenship of people who are in the country illegally or anything remotely similar to that.
 
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The 14th Admendment and "subject to the jurisdiction of" is not as decided/settled as some lead on. The 14th Amendment has come in front of the SC 10 times, but never for a matter related to birthright citizenship of people who are in the country illegally or anything remotely similar to that.

Tell me more about those kids that did not die in Alabama and Oklahoma.

Glad to see you are still reading the right wing blogs too....as well as believing the bullshit you are being fed.

Plyler v Doe, while dealing with education but also Fourteenth Amendment issues, held that "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment 'jurisdiction' can be drawn between resident immigrants whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident immigrants whose entry was unlawful."

Please see US v Wong Kim Ark for the concept of jus soli and English common law. It's not only the definitive case for this absurdity being put forth by your Orange Leader, but it is a virtual primer on English common law, citizenship, and the concert of jus soli (recall that the Founders were very learned in English Common law, as I would bet the authors of the Fourteenth also were, instead of the sorts of morons we have today in Congress), and a lesson in the intentions and reading of citizenship law up to the time of the case (including the absolute truth that the Fourteenth simply granted to negroes what had been assumed for whites*). Anyway, here is the passage you should chew on for a bit:

To hold that the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution excludes from citizenship the children, born in the United States, of citizens or subjects of other countries would be to deny citizenship to thousands of persons of English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage who have always been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.

VI. Whatever considerations, in the absence of a controlling provision of the Constitution, might influence the legislative or the executive branch of the Government to decline to admit persons of the Chinese race to the status of citizens of the United States, there are none that can constrain or permit the judiciary to refuse to give full effect to the peremptory and explicit language of the Fourteenth Amendment, which declares and ordains that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

Also it is interesting to note that case calls his parents "subjects of the Emperor of China".

* From Wong: As appears upon the face of the amendment, as well as from the history of the times, this was not intended to impose any new restrictions upon citizenship, or to prevent any persons from becoming citizens by the fact of birth within the United States who would thereby have become citizens according to the law existing before its adoption. It is declaratory in form, and enabling and extending in effect. Its main purpose doubtless was, as has been often recognized by this court, to establish the citizenship of free negroes, which had been denied in the opinion delivered by Chief Justice Taney in Dred Scott v. Sandford In plain English, the phrase you and BC are salivating over while readin' yer blogs was never meant to be exclusionary to anything other than the settled practice of the times: diplomats didn't count, and foreign soldiers while at war against the US did not count.
 
I think the writer, regardless of who it is, does a nice job of putting forth the historic context to frame the intent of the 14th given the inclination to distance from Common Law. It's okay if you don't agree with his take, but to dismiss it because it was written the under a pseudonym (I don't know if it was, take your word for it) is a weak sauce way to avoid the points.
 
Wong Kim Ark was a faulty, and biased, interpretation that needs revisited.

http://www.federalistblog.us/2006/12/us_v_wong_kim_ark_can_never_be_considered/

OK, I got this far and had a fit of laughter:

"In reading the majorities opinion in Wong Kim Ark, one cannot help but wonder why so much emphasis is being placed on such obscure and irrelevant historical overviews as colonial and foreign law."

Let me rewrite this sentence in a way the Federalist Society folks would appreciate:

"In reading the debates, writings, and intentions of the Founders one cannot help but wonder why so much emphasis is being placed on such obscure and irrelevant historical overviews as colonial and foreign law."

One sentence in and I got a hoot out of it. Excellent.

For an even better understanding, I scrolled down to the comments, because that Birds of a Feather stuff can be enlightening...I got to read a comment from a Birther lawyer. Nice!
 
Actually read the first link and then the second. Again, you just dismissed the links because you don't like the source.
 
written the under a pseudonym (I don't know if it was, take your word for it) .

JFC, as the kids say. Is this your first time reading the Federalist Blog? Like some other far-righter said, "here, read this link!" and you came here to repost it? The writers there write under a pseudonym, they say, because Hamilton, Jay, and Madison wrote The Federalist papers under pseudonym. Honestly, they just do it because they are borderline Nazis. When you are too far right to be on the actual The Federalist website, you pop up on the blogs belonging to various chapters of the The Federalist Society, under a pen-name of course. An example would be John K Bush, who is crazy as a loon, wrote some crazy shit under a fake name, and still got on the USCA-6th. Strange days we live in....
 
Oh, and it was my first time on that site. Been googling articles on the 14th Admendment and reading different viewpoints. Something that obviously is not in your wheelhouse. TDS.
 
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