Blame Huff

[redsfan5590]

If this is happening in year 3 or 4. The fact is our best QB was Grant Wells and he’s simply not good enough to be a winning QB at this level.

we were absolutely out coached don’t get me wrong but this team was severely flawed from the start because Doc mailed it in recruiting the last few years.

 

[Tim_N_Montana]

I do blame Huff for keeping Cramsey. If we had any kind of offense that could just give the D a few minutes rest then they wouldnt be gassed in the 4th and we wouldn't have blown 5 games. All gas no brakes was all bullsh!t and no real plan.

 

[redsfan5590]

I do blame Huff for keeping Cramsey. If we had any kind of offense that could just give the D a few minutes rest then they wouldnt be gassed in the 4th and we wouldn't have blown 5 games. All gas no brakes was all bullsh!t and no real plan.

Do you watch the games? We don’t really run a hurry up offense. We no huddle but then we stop and look over at the sideline, readjust and go. We don’t run any quicker tempo than most teams. The problem is we can’t put drives together because our QB play has been atrocious. Defense doesn’t have to respect the pass, so they key on the run. Leads to a lot of short drives.

If cramsey is still here next year and the year after I’ll agree with you that it is Huffs problem. He kept him for 1 year. We’ll see if he makes it a 2nd

 

[Jartard]

S&C seems to be an issue with how many games we were just gassed in the 4th quarter and blew leads.

 

[caliherd]

The last 2 touchdown drives were brought about due to long pass plays where we rushed 3 and our DBs were 50 yds behind the WR like has happened all year. Every time we drop 8 in coverage and get no pressure everybody sees how bad our secondary is. If it wasn’t for our front 7 we would give up 500 yds passing a game.

Our offense absolutely didn’t help the defense at all today but I don’t think the last 2 scores were from being gassed as much as our D coordinator sharing the headset with Cramsey.

 

[bbneutralfan]

Is this shades of Doc hanging onto Bill Legg until he finally cut him loose - for Cramsey?

 

[goherdorgohome2]

Cramsey was a carbon copy of bill legg, and we have had the same issues about play calling and offense not controlling a game since Cato graduated.... Crapsey needs gone and just because I like saying it, bill legg needs fired also..

Two guys that are holding back our team...!

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Is this shades of Doc hanging onto Bill Legg until he finally cut him loose - for Cramsey?

Bill Vanilla Legg is an upgrade over this fool. Legg was predictable, but at least he attempted to advance the ball.

3/4s of Cramsey's playbook is behind the LoS.

 

[HerdFan300]

I'm sure Huff has a say so in the play calling as well. He has some culpability. Doc could have done what he (Huff) did last night.

 

[mlblack16.]

I saw them put up the stat about Huff being our first head coach since 1996 (or was it 97) to finish his first year with a winning record.

That really isn't an accolade for Huff so much as it is an indicator for how bad our coaching hires have been since Pruett's departure.

But I'm sure that's something Huff will RT on the Twitterverse tomorrow.

 

[Herdmaster]

I do agree we need to find some more talented coaches but before Huff can cut a coach lose, he has to find a replacement that is a lot better and is harder than it looks based upon what Marshall can pay its coaches. Let's see what happens over the next month then we will know what the next season will bring the Herd.

 

[ilmherdfan]

All the coaches were just out visiting the recruits. Is he going to cut any loose right after that? Not saying he shouldn’t.

 

[muthed]

S&C seems to be an issue with how many games we were just gassed in the 4th quarter and blew leads.

When the other team has the ball for 15 minutes more than you do, and you have a lot of 3 and outs, well, you're going to be gassed, no doubt.

 

[Jartard]

When the other team has the ball for 15 minutes more than you do, and you have a lot of 3 and outs, well, you're going to be gassed, no doubt.

I get the defense, but hell, our offense looked exhausted in the 4th too. They should have been fresh because of the D being on the field so much.

 

[redsfan5590]

Bill Vanilla Legg is an upgrade over this fool. Legg was predictable, but at least he attempted to advance the ball.

3/4s of Cramsey's playbook is behind the LoS.

I agree with that to an extent. But if I’m cramsey I wouldn’t let Wells throw the ball down field either. We’re running 3 yard screens and outs in hopes of gaining enough yards to keep the chains moving. I think his run schemes are way too vanilla. I can’t tell if his passing is vanilla out of necessity because of QB play. Or if he’s just vanilla.

 

[ekal]

Why no play action passes? A fake to Ali would freeze the defense and allow time to find a receiver.

 

[The Real SamC]

So this is the post-bowl loss "Blame the previous administration" thread.

Current coach: Charles Huff.

7-6
6-6 vs. I-A
0-5 vs. teams with winning records
0-1 in bowl games

 

[redsfan5590]

So this is the post-bowl loss "Blame the previous administration" thread.

Current coach: Charles Huff.

7-6
6-6 vs. I-A
0-5 vs. teams with winning records
0-1 in bowl games

Sam, since you are big on predicting the future and not playing the games or waiting on the results I’ll let you finish my response to you

 

[raleighherdfan]

Huff said it best in his post press conference. “We played a championship program tonight. None of our players on this team have won a championship. It’s not in their DNA yet.”

 

[raleighherdfan]

Sam, since you are big on predicting the future and not playing the games or waiting on the results I’ll let you finish my response to you

Sam doesn’t want Huff or BB to really succeed. When they do he’ll have absolutely nothing else to whine about except WVU and legislature

 

[ARandomHerdFan]

So this is the post-bowl loss "Blame the previous administration" thread.

Current coach: Charles Huff.

7-6
6-6 vs. I-A
0-5 vs. teams with winning records
0-1 in bowl games

You’re being unrealistic, as expected from one of our more rotten fans.

The OOC schools that we lost to have rich and storied histories. The losses to CUSA schools should be celebrated and the losses should be shrugged off, considering that the CUSA programs rival that of the Southeastern Conference. Going 6-6 against our peer schools should be cheered from the rooftops, considering where our program was decades ago.

Also, bowl games are the ultimate test of skill, which put two titans of the college football world against one another. There’s no shame in losing… think of the ~50 teams that didn’t make it to one.

Maybe Marshall football isn’t for you, SamC.

 

[Jartard]

 

[raleighherdfan]

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This team is the best conditioned team we’ve had in a couple of years. We have limited depth and are way undersized in key positions. We’ve been “small” for a long time.
This is a case of Smock looking at a stat and pointing out the wrong flaw.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

The last 2 touchdown drives were brought about due to long pass plays where we rushed 3 and our DBs were 50 yds behind the WR like has happened all year. Every time we drop 8 in coverage and get no pressure everybody sees how bad our secondary is. If it wasn’t for our front 7 we would give up 500 yds passing a game.

Our offense absolutely didn’t help the defense at all today but I don’t think the last 2 scores were from being gassed as much as our D coordinator sharing the headset with Cramsey.

Our DB play has been horrid all year. We need to replace the DB coach

 

[muthed]

So this is the post-bowl loss "Blame the previous administration" thread.

Current coach: Charles Huff.

7-6
6-6 vs. I-A
0-5 vs. teams with winning records
0-1 in bowl games

I don't see this as a blame on the previous staff. But the results posted probably mirror pretty closely to last year's results.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Huff said it best in his post press conference. “We played a championship program tonight. None of our players on this team have won a championship. It’s not in their DNA yet.”

Sounded like a bunch of excuses to me.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

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4th quarter playcalling has been atrocious. It's just an easy out to say we were gassed. Going back to the ECU choke job. Huff looks lost at times and Cramsey's play calling is horrendous.

We didn't lose that game last night because we ran out of gas.

The game shifted big time after the hit on Willie. We should have taken a shot and hit them right in the mouth. Exactly how Golic Jr was saying during the call. Instead we ran the ball once and threw two passes at or behind the LoS. We came out with ZERO intensity.

Then on their go ahead TD it's 3rd and Long and they looked out of sorts. What do we do? We call the dogs off, rush 3, give their QB all the time in the world, and he drops a huge bomb. It was reminiscent of what Rippon did on ECU's final drive in 2012.

No this staff coaches like a bunch of cowards. All that talk and bravado that Huff portrays in his press conference NEVER translates to the field. Oh wait he throws bombs against bad teams with the 3rd stringer in blowout wins.

All this guy does is talk and he has yet to back any of it up. This team played soft. When Pruett and Donnan were here we played like bullies. Pennington and Chapman said when they stepped on the field they were offended by the thought that the other team thought they were going to beat them. Save for Ali and Porter this team has no balls.

Our staff folds like cheap lawn chairs. Huff was supposed to fix that. Yea I know it's Doc's players, but the second halves have been beyond soft.

 

[raleighherdfan]

All this guy does is talk and he has yet to back any of it up. This team played soft. When Pruett and Donnan were here we played like bullies. Pennington and Chapman said when they stepped on the field they were offended by the thought that the other team thought they were going to beat them. Save for Ali and Porter this team has no balls.

There you go speaking “culture”. A culture we haven’t had here in some time
We get it. You want the culture back. Championships back. This team, these players have never won a championship at this level.

They played a championship attitude team. No matter how much you want to whine about a coach changing it in one season, you can’t flip that with a bunch of players who don’t have “it” turned on in themselves. This team was fighting each other at the end of last season, now they should just go fight someone else because fans say so?

Calm down, relax. I think we are going to be fine. The pieces are here to have a very good program. Otherwise, take Mollette’s post game advice and move on.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Sounded like a bunch of excuses to me.

We get it. You mad.

 

[MUMAN3419]

I do not understand how any player or coach can tell the fanbase that is dying to move on. How about they pony up and win some important games. Get mad and quit making excuses....we were so close yada yada, if you don't like us losing take your ball and go home(first said by coach Huff) yada yada. I could care less that the players say that, because I feel like the take a loss the hardest. The players are awesome and work their tales off. What the players should have said is....Maybe we would have won if Coach(Huff) wasnt out the whole off season looking for a job after winning 53.84% of his games his first year.

 

[ohio herd]

Now that we are on the other side of this season I think we are no worse than we have been for some time now. We are still a good team that can't get to the top. Playing a 12-1 team in our bowl game didn't help any this year. It did show me that we are able to play with the better teams in the SB- UL and Appy. It appears Huff will be a solid recruiter like Doc was. With the transfer portel now available he might even take us up a notch or two ( as evidenced with the recent adds of the 2 FSU layers). That being said, I hope he will search far and wide for a new OC. The defense actually improved as the season wore on. They cannot be expected to stay on the field as long as they were and never have a let down IMO. Huff made a few rookie HC mistakes but seemed to learn from them and move on which is good iMO.

 

[MUMAN3419]

Allow me to just say….You’re an idiot. That is all.

Solid reply. Well thought out and articulate.

 

[herdfan429]

This is the same team that completely imploded last year. The emphasis needs to be on player development. We haven’t had player get better over their career in a loooong time. If we start seeing players develop and get better then we have elevated as a program

 

[The Real SamC]

Solid reply. Well thought out and articulate.

Exactly. Understand that to the amen chorus anything but sycophantic praise of CH must be attacked, and understand that there is no logical and reasonable way to do so, so their reply will be childish grade school things like you received.

They have nothing else to say. When the name calling and childishness starts, the adults win. We win.

 

[ARandomHerdFan]

Exactly. Understand that to the amen chorus anything but sycophantic praise of CH must be attacked, and understand that there is no logical and reasonable way to do so, so their reply will be childish grade school things like you received.

They have nothing else to say. When the name calling and childishness starts, the adults win. We win.

If that’s all it takes for a “win,” then most of the board is undefeated against you right now.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

DOC couldn't develop talent and so far, neither can this staff. Looking at all the players to come through here in the last decade, only Cato stands out as having improved greatly from his freshmen year to his senior year. He had the inner drive and fire to improve - Thank God!

 

[Marshall2004]

The Marshall fan base and administration made the decision that what Doc was doing was not enough. Huff was hired to "close the gap" as he put it. Not one single thing was better this year than under Doc. Not one. The team wilted down the stretch. The team appeared mentally fragile in all of the big moments. The team did not beat any team with a pulse. Key players did not develop. Play calling was scared. Wells continued his streaky play, not able to fight through tough moments. Whatever cultural/locker room/personality issues were on the team have not changed. If anything we utilized key weapons better in recent years. Gaines and Keaton were non-factors the last couple of weeks.

This season was an unmitigated disaster from the perspective of this coach and this staff. The microcosm for the entire year was Wells running out of bounds 3 yards short of a first down while staring right at the marker on a key drive when Betty White and Gabourey Sidibe in a three legged race could have picked up the first.

I am increasingly disheartened by the coaching staff redefining what constitutes success this year, not acknowledging any urgency or expectation, and blaming fans for performance. I am supporting Huff and hopeful his recruiting and general maturation can turn the tide, but am concerned.

 

[MUMAN3419]

I'm not sure why I was attacked and called an idiot above. I support Huff and Hope he is the coach every Herd fan wants him to be. Just saying that he said that this team was ready to win now, he has done nothing to prove to me that he is some great coach. But I am more than willing to give him 4 years. But I also reserve the right as an alumni and booster to voice my displeasure about the program and the woe is me excuses that he gives after another disappointing season. If anyone has a problem about it, then maybe they should take more than 1 second/1 brain cell to do so. Nothing wrong with questioning a team or coach that IMO has failed their first season.

 

[usaHERD]

Remember Huff has Doc players. Give him time to bring his recruits in and then evaluate. If he is here 4 years from now and not getting it done then we have a problem Houston.

 

[Marshall2004]

Remember Huff has Doc players. Give him time to bring his recruits in and then evaluate. If he is here 4 years from now and not getting it done then we have a problem Houston.

I am definitely on board with giving Huff time, but I viewed Doc as a fairly effective recruiter of raw talent that he then under-developed and under-utilized. I do not think this team was a rebuild from a talent perspective, despite holes. I hoped Huff would develop and coach the same players better than Doc did. I believe this was the mandate and expectation. This did not happen in year one.