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CBS is now reporting democrats support the wall

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OOPS , this is old news, they did support it in 2006. That included SCHUMER, Obama and Clinton. According to the article over 700 miles has been put in place since 2006. I guess Pelosi is wrong , it isn't immoral to protect our border according to Obama and Schumer. Yes folks their opposition is just politics at it's best!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secure-fence-act-heres-what-democrats-agreed-to-in-2006/

3-2-1 comes the apologists why this is different yada yada yada. So if it was a good idea then, why is it a bad idea now to upgrade the wall now? A 2007 Republican amendment gave the Department of Homeland Security control over where to build the barriers. Since much of the rest of the border is protected by natural barriers, like rivers. What is in play here is filling in the gaps and upgrades.
Finish the wall and get people back to work. The Democrats are against the workers who need to get paid
 
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*The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was passed under the GWB administration.

*The act called for around 700 miles of wall.

*Obama, Schumer, and Hillary Clinton voted for the act.

*A 2016 Associated Press report from the border described "rust-colored thick bars" that form "teeth-like slats" 18 feet high. "There are miles of gaps between segments and openings in the fence itself," the report said.

*The act also authorized the use of more vehicle barriers as well as satellite surveillance and unmanned aerial vehicles.




The legislation was written in a way to garner bipartisan support for the wall. The use of walls in high population areas (thus the 700 miles and not across the entire border) with the increase in satellite surveillance and drones was why this legislation was passed in a bipartisan way. The comparison between what was passed in 2006 and what Trump is demanding are two entirely different universes. The comparison and belief that this is some kind of gotcha moment is absurd. Apples and oranges.

I’ve been to El Paso. I crossed the RG into Mexico and spent some time in Juarez. The need for border security fencing in areas like this where the Mexican population is shoved up against the border is certainly warranted. But to equate that belief to a need to place an ineffective barrier across 2000 miles of US/Mexican border to appease a president who has painted himself in the corner with ridiculous campaign promises, who needs a victory to sustain political viability is beyond ridiculous.

But the question is, why do we want to waste money on an idea that that is totally ineffective. The majority of the drugs...let me rephrase...the overwhelming majority of the drugs entering this country comes in through legal points of entry. They come into ports by boats, through airports, and predominantly through land check points smuggled in hidden compartments in trucks and vehicles. They are brought in through tunnels. Over 225 tunnels were detected between 1991 and 2016 and that’s just the ones caught. They are brought in by catapults over existing walls. They are brought in through our northern border with Canada. They come in the mail from China (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...-flaw-to-ship-illegal-drugs-investigators-say). Quite simply a wall to curb the drug flow is a ridiculous notion.

And illegal immigration...how effective would a wall be for curbing it? Here are some statistics from the Center for Migration Studies...

  • In 2014, about 4.5 million US residents, or 42 percent of the total undocumented population, were overstays.
  • Overstays accounted for about two-thirds (66 percent) of those who arrived (i.e., joined the undocumented population) in 2014.

So overstays, those who come here on visas and vacations, represent 66% of those who joined the undocumented population. A wall doesn’t fix that. And there are other ways illegals get in. They are smuggled in hidden compartments in vehicles. For example, Falfurrias Station checkpoint in Texas is the busiest port of legal entry on the southern border. On a busy day more than 30,000 vehicles pass through this checkpoint. More undocumented immigrants are caught here than any other port of entry. What they catch represents only a fraction of what gets through.

I’ve mentined tunnels used for smuggling drugs, but they also bring across illegals as well. Again, more than 225 have been detected since 1991. Some with ventilation systems, lighting, and even an elevator.

So...the bottom line here is an attempt by Mulvaney (Trump’s a “terrible human being”) is to politicize the division by making a comparison that is absolutely ridiculous. The need for security on the southern border has never been disputed by either side. What is disputed is whether a complete border wall would solve anything. Facts bear out that they will not. This division was created by our president and his blustery campaign rhetoric and heightened by the fact that he has painted himself in a political corner. This no longer about the efficacy of a wall, because facts bear out how useless it is. But sadly we are dealing with a president whose reason for the wall being transparent was so smugglers wouldn’t hit border agents with 60 pound bags of drugs as they were tossed over the wall. I sh** you not.
 
Semantics. They are ‘opposed’ to it because of two reasons.

1. This was Trump’s primary campaign promise.

2. More potential democrats.
 
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Great point GK - It would be a valid point if you ignore the "fence" Clinton, Schumer et al supported was approved, funded and built.

Nope...."The Wall" is Trump's promise with Mexico footing the bill. Hours upon hours of video exist of him making that ultra, crystal clear.
 
Glad to know we could come up with 3 billion for "Cash for Clunkers", but can't find 5 billion to work on solving the security issues at our southern border.
 
The majority of the drugs...let me rephrase...the overwhelming majority of the drugs entering this country comes in through legal points of entry. They come into ports by boats, through airports, and predominantly through land check points smuggled in hidden compartments in trucks and vehicles. They are brought in through tunnels. Over 225 tunnels were detected between 1991 and 2016 and that’s just the ones caught. They are brought in by catapults over existing walls. They are brought in through our northern border with Canada. They come in the mail from China (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...-flaw-to-ship-illegal-drugs-investigators-say). Quite simply a wall to curb the drug flow is a ridiculous notion.

This is 100% accurate^^^
 
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“First, [Obama] wouldn’t have made such a dumb proposal that nobody supports.” He might be right. Obama would just tell a massive, misleading lie to get the proposal through.

I'm just curious if anyone here operates/owns a business where you deal with individuals and are required to get their personal information to complete the transaction (Name, D.o.B, SSN) - especially in the southern half of the country. If you do, you understand just how bad the situation hits not only legal immigrants but natural born citizens.
 
So...you’re against politicians that lie and mislead? I’m with you on that one.
Always have been. I don't know what happens when a person gets elected to the House, Senate, or the big chair, but it seems like they go full blown sociopath. These politicians who criticize Trump are literally no different because they're all full of shit. And again, I didn't vote for Trump & yes he lies like a career politician. Elizabeth Warren, days after declaring her bid, just went on the record criticizing Gowdy for becoming a lobbyist & saying his decision should be illegal. All that's a lie & she knows it. Her supporters don't, but it won't matter because no one (other than Gowdy) will call her on her bullshit. Booker's entire shtick is a facade. Hillary seems totally incapable of telling the truth. O'Rouke, the somehow Irishman who is a Mexican, got caught lying about trying to leave the scene of a DUI.
I still don't understand why the news outlets pay so much attention to Twitter but it's hard to read it and not think these are the types of politicians we deserve.
 
Democrats believe in a partial wall?

Haaaaaa

This post is confusing. Schumer, Obama, and HC all voted for the partial wall (or fence) with increase of satellite and drone surveillance. So that makes them for it. And because they supported the 2006 and 2013 acts, no way equates to support of a complete border wall. Equating the two is a construct of the new chief of staff and a president who painted himself in the corner with his own campaign bluster.

This isn’t about Trump wanting to curb drugs and immigration as much as it is his desperately needing this victory to save face. Ann Coulter and the other Fox foot soldiers have further backed him in the corner with their waning support. Coulter said that if Trump “folds” on the issue (she predicted he would) that...

“Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever," she said in a podcast interview with The Daily Caller.



If Trump would have presented the border security without bluster and arrogant boasting in his campaign he wouldn’t be in this mess. He could have updated th 2006 and 2013 acts and carried on as usual...taking credit for any increases in good numbers and blaming someone else for anything that appears negative.
 
I have an idea for a great thread. I say we alternate between Obama and Trump lies (ones easily verified). We’ll start with a Trump lie and a link to the verification of it being a lie. Than the Trump supporters can list an Obama lie with a link of verification. Alternate back and forth and the last lie standing is the winner.

Anyone?
 
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I have an idea for a great thread. I say we alternate between Obama and Trump lies (ones easily verified). We’ll start with a Trump lie and a link to the verification of it being a lie. Than the Trump supporters can list an Obama lie with a link of verification. Alternate back and forth and the last lie standing is the winner.

Anyone?
To prove they're both liars?
 
This post is confusing. Schumer, Obama, and HC all voted for the partial wall (or fence) with increase of satellite and drone surveillance. So that makes them for it. And because they supported the 2006 and 2013 acts, no way equates to support of a complete border wall. Equating the two is a construct of the new chief of staff and a president who painted himself in the corner with his own campaign bluster.

This isn’t about Trump wanting to curb drugs and immigration as much as it is his desperately needing this victory to save face. Ann Coulter and the other Fox foot soldiers have further backed him in the corner with their waning support. Coulter said that if Trump “folds” on the issue (she predicted he would) that...

“Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever," she said in a podcast interview with The Daily Caller.



If Trump would have presented the border security without bluster and arrogant boasting in his campaign he wouldn’t be in this mess. He could have updated th 2006 and 2013 acts and carried on as usual...taking credit for any increases in good numbers and blaming someone else for anything that appears negative.


Illegal immigration is illegal. Don't know how there is a defense to it. When you look at the drain on this country then it is evident something needs to be done. You can it a wall, a fence, a barrier, and blockade. Doesn't matter. Something needs to be done.

It is also evident Democrats supported immigration reform and even parts of a wall, fence, etc. Then, became against even partial measures when Trump ruined their election.
 
Illegal immigration is illegal. Don't know how there is a defense to it. When you look at the drain on this country then it is evident something needs to be done. You can it a wall, a fence, a barrier, and blockade. Doesn't matter. Something needs to be done.

It is also evident Democrats supported immigration reform and even parts of a wall, fence, etc. Then, became against even partial measures when Trump ruined their election.

Yes...illegal immigration is illegal. Illegal drugs are illegal as well. I agree...something needs to be done about all the illegal illegal stuff. Lol.

What you fail to address is how the wall/fence/barrier/blockade will stop the overwhelming amount of drugs that enter through legal points of entry, northern border, tunnels, and mail. You also need to tell me how the wall/fence/barrier/blockade will stop the illegal immigrants who come in legally (who make up 66% of the undocumented) when they overstay their visas. Or the ones who come through tunnels. Or the amount smuggled in in hidden compartments of vehicles through legal points of entry.

Your argument makes zero sense and doesn't address any of the facts about how the vast majority of drugs and illegal immigrants get here...none of which can be solved by a completed wall.
 
When you look at the drain on this country then it is evident something needs to be done

What drain? Once again, contrary to your fairy tale beliefs, your belief is unsubstantiated. But you will continue to repeat it anyway.
 
Illegal immigration is illegal. Don't know how there is a defense to it. When you look at the drain on this country then it is evident something needs to be done. You can it a wall, a fence, a barrier, and blockade. Doesn't matter. Something needs to be done.

It is also evident Democrats supported immigration reform and even parts of a wall, fence, etc. Then, became against even partial measures when Trump ruined their election.
Even a new poll by the left leaning AP states that 49% say immigration is a top five problem they hope the government addresses. 37% of Democrats cite it as a top issue, up from 20% just two years ago. I work in an industry that is key to the economy and just in identity theft alone it's made doing business in areas with high numbers of illegals a nightmare. Not only for us, but for law abiding citizens trying to do things legally. If your identity gets stolen, I genuinely feel bad for you because it's just the start of the shitshow.
 
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What drain? Once again, contrary to your fairy tale beliefs, your belief is unsubstantiated. But you will continue to repeat it anyway.
I saw 6 houses getting shingles today. Not one Caucasian or black man doing the work. How about up your way?
 
Yes...illegal immigration is illegal. Illegal drugs are illegal as well. I agree...something needs to be done about all the illegal illegal stuff. Lol.

What you fail to address is how the wall/fence/barrier/blockade will stop the overwhelming amount of drugs that enter through legal points of entry, northern border, tunnels, and mail. You also need to tell me how the wall/fence/barrier/blockade will stop the illegal immigrants who come in legally (who make up 66% of the undocumented) when they overstay their visas. Or the ones who come through tunnels. Or the amount smuggled in in hidden compartments of vehicles through legal points of entry.

Your argument makes zero sense and doesn't address any of the facts about how the vast majority of drugs and illegal immigrants get here...none of which can be solved by a completed wall.
The wall is a big step to stop it. I am more for fining the employers or even in some cases jail time. It is modern day slavery. The wall is not the be all and end all but, it is a very good first line of defense. Border Patrol agents agree.
 
Is roofing houses illegal there in the big city??
No, but I guarantee if I yelled ICE they would be coming off that roof fast. Not to mention what it does to wages and the big builders and developers are taking advantage of the immigrants. Form of modern day slavery. Do you care about that?
 
Drugs rarely come from some poor mule walking across the damn desert and into America. Why? Because it's a lot easier to ship that stuff here in trucks and boats, through ports of entry.

Go on Google Earth and follow the current wall. Then find the un-walled areas and tell me if you think tens of thousands of people are actually pouring through those areas (hint: they are not). If there are high-traffic areas that need a better wall, I am not against that. I am against blowing money on a wall where statistically no one is crossing. I am also against a wall in very scenic areas, but that is another argument.
 
No, but I guarantee if I yelled ICE they would be coming off that roof fast. Not to mention what it does to wages and the big builders and developers are taking advantage of the immigrants. Form of modern day slavery. Do you care about that?
liberals don't care about slave labor and human trafficking
 
I don't know what happens when a person gets elected to the House, Senate, or the big chair, but it seems like they go full blown sociopath.

So you think trump wasn’t a sociopath before he took office?

LMAO!

You are a special kind of stupid.
 
So you think trump wasn’t a sociopath before he took office?

LMAO!

You are a special kind of stupid.
Holy shit, you seriously are an idiot. I'm not surprised you're incapable of understanding context, you little bitch. Still butthurt I'm calling you out for the uninformed, sad pathetic little bitch you are?
 
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