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Chuck Landon: WVU should revisit in-state football series with Marshall
Jan. 13, 2015 @ 01:34 AM
Isn't this the right time to reopen the discussion about renewing the Marshall-WVU football series?

I certainly believe so.

Particularly since WVU has hired West Virginia native Shane Lyons as its new athletic director.

The 49-year-old Lyons is a native of Parkersburg, where he starred as a 6-foot-6 basketball player at Parkersburg High School.

Then, Lyons graduated from WVU in 1987 with a sports management degree and in '88 with a master's.

The crux of the matter is he's a state native, born and bred.

Need I say more?

That means Lyons -- of all people -- should understand the significance a Marshall-WVU football series could mean to the state economically, socially and in every other way imaginable.

Obviously, that was one of former WVU athletic director Oliver Luck's more profound shortcomings. As Luck once said, "My responsibility is to my school and not necessarily to the state or the economic impact of the game. ... "

Lucks' narrow-minded perspective led to the seven-game series ending after the 2012 season.

But there's a new WVU president in E. Gordon Gee and new athletic director in Lyons now. So, let's hope for a new, more rational perspective as well.

I mean, what's not to like about this in-state series?

It would benefit the state, Marshall and, yes, even WVU. The Mountaineers have resisted that notion for years, but the facts are undeniable.

WVU isn't drawing as well -- only three of six home games were sellouts in 2014 -- and the Mountaineers have non-conference openings starting in 2017.

After playing Georgia Southern, Liberty and Maryland in 2015 and Youngstown State, Missouri and BYU in '16, WVU's non-conference scheduling is wide open.

As for attendance, WVU averaged 56,686 fans in 60,000-seat Mountaineer Field last season. By comparison, the five MU-WVU games in Morgantown averaged 59,108. In fact, three of those five contests were sellouts.

In 2006, a crowd of 61,077 watched WVU defeat Marshall, 42-10. In 2008, WVU beat MU, 27-3, in front of 60,154 fans.

When the 2009 matchup was moved from the usual September date to Oct. 17, it resulted in cold, windy, rainy conditions and a crowd of 54,432 to watch WVU's 24-7 win.

But in 2011, a crowd of 60,758 showed up despite a 3:30 p.m. kickoff on a Sunday to watch WVU's 34-13 win, which included a four-hour lightning delay.

The final game in 2012 was just short of a sellout at 59,120 to watch WVU wallop MU, 69-34. As for the two games in Huntington, Marshall averaged 40,883 fans in 38,227-seat Edwards Stadium.

That's five sellouts in seven years.

Meanwhile, WVU drew 56,414 fans for Towson; 52,164 for Kansas; and 47,683 for Kansas State during the 2014 season at Mountaineer Field.

So, yes, this series would be mutually beneficial.

And, surely, a state native such as Lyons should see that.

After all, he's joining WVU from Alabama's athletic department and the Crimson Tide plays an annual in-state battle against Auburn.

All the pieces and people are falling in place. Lyons, Gee, MU interim president Gary White, Herd athletic director Mike Hamrick and West Virginia Governor Earl Ray Tomblin can make this happen.

And they should.

The timing is right to renew this series.
 
The Chuckster reminds me of the old song, "Stir it Up."

The mighty have fallen it WVU is playing Liberty.................................
 
Only way is home and home. No 2-1 or 3-1s. Hamrick is not respected by WVU. If Tomblin cared it would have been done. Same ole crap. We live in a state that does not seem to care about there two D-1 programs playing each other without the big one dictating the terms.
 
I have trouble seeing us having an extended home and away with any P5 team - I don't think we would have much better of a chance getting one from WVU, especially considering all the bad blood between schools. 2-1 is reasonable in my view as long as we're careful with our other 3 OOC games to not go under 6 home games.
 
Originally posted by bbneutralfan:
Only way is home and home. No 2-1 or 3-1s. Hamrick is not respected by WVU. If Tomblin cared it would have been done. Same ole crap. We live in a state that does not seem to care about there two D-1 programs playing each other without the big one dictating the terms.
+1
 
Chuckie is just trying to find something to write about that will increase paper sales, website hits, letters, etc. Besides, I'm hearing that this new guy hates MU as much as Ollie. Not sure why.
 
2-1 is unacceptable when we can get 1-1 series' with other P5 programs. Just because it's WVU doesn't mean we cough up one additional game than we would vs other options. If we can agree to a home-and-home that's not long term, that's fine. Have a 1-1 series every decade or something.
 
2-1? Absolutely not. Never, ever ever happen. Unless they agree to pay us $1 million or so for the single.

Something like a 5-4 or 4-3? For sure.

Giving them the one game for "free" is worth a ton of money. They have to pay teams like UNLV and BGSU nearly a million. If you structure the deal where each road team only gets travel costs, the home teams get a guaranteed sellout, and WV get's a premiere Go5 home game for basically pennies on the dollar. Everyone wins.

We give up a lot in that deal to get 3-4 home games. We could play Ohio State/SEC/super power X for $1.5 million in a one off. Instead, we take one one off for $200-300k.

The first series we signed with them was the worst contract in the history of college sports. We got FLEECED.
 
I have been watching and supporting Marshall since the early 70's. My fondest times of the Herd DOES NOT include WVU.
We don't need them and "should" care less about them.
 
Originally posted by SuperAnjario:
2-1? Absolutely not. Never, ever ever happen. Unless they agree to pay us $1 million or so for the single.

Something like a 5-4 or 4-3? For sure.

Giving them the one game for "free" is worth a ton of money. They have to pay teams like UNLV and BGSU nearly a million. If you structure the deal where each road team only gets travel costs, the home teams get a guaranteed sellout, and WV get's a premiere Go5 home game for basically pennies on the dollar. Everyone wins.

We give up a lot in that deal to get 3-4 home games. We could play Ohio State/SEC/super power X for $1.5 million in a one off. Instead, we take one one off for $200-300k.

The first series we signed with them was the worst contract in the history of college sports. We got FLEECED.
Perhaps with the first 'series', but he first GAME we signed with them we made out like a bandit. We got a guarantee (same as any MAC school - about $225k if my memory is correct), plus we got 7500 tickets and got to keep the income from selling them. The fact that we made so much money off that game is one of the reasons the next several broke down - we wanted a similar arrangement, and WVU wanted us to go back to the regular MAC visiting team payment.
 
Must be 1 for 1............BUT the key part should be the very next game MUST be AT Marshall!!!!!!!!!! (not WVU and then maybe at MU).
 
I would love a 1-1, and that shouldn't be too difficult to arrange for a one off (relative to an extended series).

Extended series.... Like I said earlier, I would be okay with 2-1, but the 3-4 or 5-4 would be MUCH better. Absolutely not a 2-5 again.

Honestly, playing them once every three years or so would be just fine with me. Frequently enough to satisfy those from each school obsessed with the other school, and a quality opponent within driving distance every now and then; yet not so frequently that we lose an annual OOC game to a faux-rivalry.

Out of all the regional schools, I would much rather see an extended series with either VT or Louisville.
 
The state needs to force us to play by law. Besides, since they are a big conference team it helps our strength of schedule.
 
I personally just want to schedule a big time opponent period i dont care who it is but i will say i really dont see any big boys playing a 1 for 1 cmon. Im the kind of fan that says we will play anywhere anytime anyday because we aint scared.
 
Maybe all these changes in people/attitude will make a difference. I'd go 5/4, if not 1 for 1 -- nothing less; something that would lock it in for the long term. If they come with a 4/2 or 2/1, I tell them to go stick it where the sun don't shine. We can get plenty of other P5 schools.
 
Hiome and home....1 for 1 or NOTHING!!!! F THEM!!!! They are NOTHING special. We don't need them!!!! Don't care one bit if we ever play them in anything! Cancel the basketball, baseball, women's basketball, ping pong, I don't care. THEY DON'T EXIST IN MY MIND, and they shouldn't in Marshall's either F THEM!!!
This post was edited on 1/13 2:22 PM by Herd020
 
a long term 5-4, 4-3 or 3-2 would be more than fair for us. heck even a 2-1 to get things started would be reasonable and a big improvement over the recently completed 7 game series which was 5-2.

reading this thread let's me know one thing....wvu doesn't have the market cornered on idiots.
 
19MU88 posted "reading this thread let's me know one thing....wvu doesn't have the market cornered on idiots." Are you including yourself?
 
WVU will not come offering a series.

If it is desired, then hamrick will have to offer WVU something that is acceptable to them.

WVU does not need Marshall.

We do not need WVU
 
Chuck is a bit of an idiot.

Auburn and Alabama play because they have to. Theyre in the same division.

Our series with wvu is more akin to Colorado vs. Colorado State.
Except Colorado actually has a real mining school and has won a title.

I dont think Hamrick should be ridiculous in his approach by soewing 1 for 1 or done. But he should be firm and very, very public about it. Use numbers to help emphasize the financial benefits of the series. Focus on helping the state's economy. If the new AD is the same as Luck, Then go public saying wvu does not care about the state.

I agree the governor needs to support a renewal.
Of course...the consensus from wvu is we havent ever beaten them so they should dictate the parameters.
Remind them that OSU and OU play one another (and would regardless of conference) despite their insanely lopsided W/L record...and its every year...their house and then our house.

I dont know how the new wvu AD will approach us...but I bet he is going to get a ton of people to listen...all the simple minded folks needed to read on his resume was "Alabama" and they will believe anything he says.
 
Regardless.....the next game between MU and Wvu should be played AT MARSHALL (both basketball & football)........don't give in Mr. Hamrick!!!!!!!!
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Being very public about it would be the worst thing Hamrick could do. No one likes to be called out publicly, especially the party that controls the situation. The embarrassing capital steps challenge only further deteriorated the relationship. D'antoni's foolish statement calling them scared if they don't play home & home was similarly stupid and will probably end the basketball series. Nothing will get done unless it is negotiated in private and meets their demands. And even then I don't think they will ever be willing to play in Huntington again, even in a 2 for 1.

Just move on. We got Pitt, now schedule the rest of their old rivals that they no longer play.
 
Honestly, get it done. Move it from the home opener to October, prettiest month in the state of WV. Tourism would increase 100% as people would enjoy an instate rival game with a nice drive though fall colored mountains.

He's right though, I can see Gee saying its time to get off the high horse and play. IF Kopp were still alive I'm certain it would get done, they ( he and Gee) bonded on Gees visit. Now that he's gone, I can see it going 50.50.

Economics dictate it.

Just do it.
 
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Manchin gave you guys SEVEN chances to beat WVU. You came close in 2010 only to be fumbled away by Tron Martinez. The last time we played WVU hung 69 on you. I don't think Shane Lyons will get snookered like Eddie Pasthisprime should Manchin get elected Governor again in 2016. And after Danny d'Antoni running his yap, I think the basketball series is over also. He made a HUGE mistake poking Huggy.
 
Originally posted by dangerousdaneerfan:

Manchin gave you guys SEVEN chances to beat WVU. You came close in 2010 only to be fumbled away by Tron Martinez. The last time we played WVU hung 69 on you.
and you guys needed 29 chances to beat Penn State after 1955... what's your point? if being one-sided meant games should not be played we would no longer have the Army/Navy game and many other current "rivalries" that are horribly one-sided...
 
Originally posted by dangerousdaneerfan:

Manchin gave you guys SEVEN chances to beat WVU. You came close in 2010 only to be fumbled away by Tron Martinez. The last time we played WVU hung 69 on you. I don't think Shane Lyons will get snookered like Eddie Pasthisprime should Manchin get elected Governor again in 2016. And after Danny d'Antoni running his yap, I think the basketball series is over also. He made a HUGE mistake poking Huggy.
Big sensitive Huggie. Don't poke him he'll cry.
 
Originally posted by dangerousdaneerfan:

Manchin gave you guys SEVEN chances to beat WVU. You came close in 2010 only to be fumbled away by Tron Martinez. The last time we played WVU hung 69 on you. I don't think Shane Lyons will get snookered like Eddie Pasthisprime should Manchin get elected Governor again in 2016. And after Danny d'Antoni running his yap, I think the basketball series is over also. He made a HUGE mistake poking Huggy.
A huge mistake? What's going to happen? WVU refuses to play Marshall in basketball? So what. Marshall doesnt need to play WVU in basketball anymore than we need to play WVU in football or any other sports. It would be nice and good for the state but if we dont, we dont. The fact is Huggins and the rest of the WVU administration will do what they are told by the Governor and legislature just like Patsylong if that is what the they want. Huggins is the one who better keep his mouth shut because the game in Charleston is a big political function anymore. If Huggins starts making threats, the legislature could get involved and force not only the basketball series but also a football series. Chuggins needs to be careful.
 
Could somebody explain to me how it is financially better for WVU to play a 1 for 1 series versus Marshall as opposed to playing 2 home games verses small schools or a 1 for 1 against another p5?
 
Simple, mjs4wvu. One for one with another Power school means at least one, probably two, losses for WVU; don't need those, get plenty of them in Big 12. One for one with MU will probably come with a smaller $$$ guarantee between the 2 schools than what WVU is now paying to those 1-AA types to come to Morganhole for 1 game only. Plus, the MU game in the Hole will more than likely draw a few thousand more paying ($$$) fans than the games with 1-AA teams. Finally, game in Huntington gives MU a great crowd, thanks in part to a lot of WVU fans in southern WV who are grateful for a game close to home.
 
Why not go public?

People need to be called out on things. Wvu controls the situation because nobody seems to stand up to them.

Bring someone influential to go public in calling them out. The wvu fans will deny it, but if it keeps being brought up, they'll hear it.
You'd be amazed at how much it can change an opinion if another view is brought into the argument. Wvu is going to have a very tough time defending their stances now.
The idea of "You're not competitive against us" is getting old and worn...especially this season where Marshall was actually good.
Just bring up 1997 and onwards...the strange gap in playing until Marshall was hit with NCAA violations and wvu was at their best in over a decade?
Then the cease in playing when Marshall enters the national spotlight and wvu is an afterthought?

Plus, wvu fans really can't get as excited for Texas to come to town or Oklahoma anymore because they're starting to realize, even with the bad OU and UT teams, wvu still loses...and UT and OU, won't freak out or bat an eye if they should lose, because they don't care about wvu one bit.
Also, their fans are getting sick of crappy schools coming to play them at home. Nobody gets excited for Towson to come play in morganhole...ever.
Also, wvu is not some mecca for attracting OOC schools with any sort of a pulse...most of their "home" games are at neutral sites to begin with.

But they'll continue to bleed money playing teams who only play them at neutral sites and have blinders on to everything else.


Oh the new division in football can't come soon enough! Can't wait to see wvu fans literally commit suicide when they realize they're worth absolutely nothing.
 
oh the eerdiots are here. 1) screw Huggins and his big fat drunk @ss. 2) literally, the 7 game series had the worst timing for MU and the best for wvu as our worst teams of the last 25 years got to play wvu at an all time high. we still should have won once in huntington and once in morgantown...not to mention our first game in 1-a that we should have one if not for the homer refs.
 
Originally posted by TheGreenhouseEffect:
Honestly, get it done. Move it from the home opener to October, prettiest month in the state of WV. Tourism would increase 100% as people would enjoy an instate rival game with a nice drive though fall colored mountains.
That would present the same dilemma as playing the Capitol Classic in January. It would be right in the middle of the conference schedule.
 
Originally posted by 19MU88:

oh the eerdiots are here. 1) screw Huggins and his big fat drunk @ss. 2) literally, the 7 game series had the worst timing for MU and the best for wvu as our worst teams of the last 25 years got to play wvu at an all time high. we still should have won once in huntington and once in morgantown...not to mention our first game in 1-a that we should have one if not for the homer refs.
I don't recall "homer refs" in '97 causing Chad to throw 2 late picks or having anything to do with our complete inability to tackle Amos Z. I thought they were just deeper than we were and wore us down on a hot day.

Your point about the timing of the previous series being to WVU's advantage is spot-on though.
 
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