Fared better?? How??
When was the last time you watched a Villanova vs. New Hampshire game? Exactly that would have been the fate of the G5. No TV, No bowl games, No Money
Committee BS strikes again...
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Fared better?? How??
When was the last time you watched a Villanova vs. New Hampshire game? Exactly that would have been the fate of the G5. No TV, No bowl games, No Money
That was more or less my point. I don't know if they would have fared better, I mean being honest if there was a split and separate division ensued, the P5 would gain even more of a recruiting advantage than they already have. Money wise it would have been a BIG risk, would networks continue to want to air a G5 game if they are not considered in the same division as the P5 schools??
Here is the Answer, the level of recruits would diminish and no Network would air G5 games
you should be given full power and control to investigate the Kennedy Assassination and the "true" story of the moon landing/s. You see conspiracy everywhere.
Is ESPN too powerful in college sports, yes!!! But you totally ignore amount of money that FOX is beginning to dump into college sports at the Power level, without FOX, the BTN never happens, PAC12 and Big XII are dependent on FOX money too, as is the Big East in BBall and they will likely be the big winner in the "race for the Big Ten rights.... You forget too, that they were the original BCS rights holder and helped escalate the cost of CFB rights. The reality is that the P5 committee is about protecting the revenue of the P5, not placating ESPN or FOX...... its all about not just the money, but protecting the process. The BCS got a little to "open" for them and they shut it down under the guise of reacting to Fan's desire for a playoff. There is NO DESIRE among this group to have the G5 gain any semblance of parity in this process. When the P5 guys go after the 85 rule and transfer rule, and they will, you'll see the pendulum really swing in their direction....
I've said it many times in many forums, there are NO stewards of the games any longer. The NCAA is powerless, the President's and Conference Commissioners have abdicated in favor of protecting their own and even the G5 commissioners were complicit in voting for and allowing the current autonomy legislation that likley will widen the gap further and further.
You are so right when you say,
There is NO DESIRE among this group to have the G5 gain any semblance of parity in this process.
The committee hasn't exactly been nice to Baylor or the myth of THE AMERICAN!!!! (had to Sam C, lol).
Ranking them at 6 and 8 is justified for TCU and Baylor, with Memphis being the only real legit team so far, at 13 I believe...and with Baylor barely beating out KSU yesterday, they'll likely fall in the polls.
My only gripe is why they can't find more qualified people to rank these teams...conference AD's don't watch nor really know college football...they also haven't made a living off of it. Kirk Herbstreit would be pretty damn qualified considering his only job is to watch football games...analytical types would fit as well, Chad Pennington is a prime example of that. But Arkansas' AD or Nebraska's AD are totally pointless in all of this.
Ranking them at 6 and 8 is justified for TCU and Baylor, with Memphis being the only real legit team so far, at 13 I believe...and with Baylor barely beating out KSU yesterday, they'll likely fall in the polls.
My only gripe is why they can't find more qualified people to rank these teams...conference AD's don't watch nor really know college football...they also haven't made a living off of it. Kirk Herbstreit would be pretty damn qualified considering his only job is to watch football games...analytical types would fit as well, Chad Pennington is a prime example of that. But Arkansas' AD or Nebraska's AD are totally pointless in all of this.
If the P-5 threaten to leave the NCAA...I'd encourage them to do it (If I were the NCAA)...the moment they left, I'd pick up the phone to the IRS and say,
"Tax the hell out of them. We no longer protect them from tax exempt status..." and no way, in any court system, would a judge believe the P-5 was "doing this for educational purposes" because the entire livelihood of their existence as of late, has been about money.
Let them go...and see how much of their billion dollar TV contracts they actually get after taxes.
No one would be complaining if they had kept the old computer system and had the playoff from the beginning. The P5 powers got what they wanted and that is their own people voting on who should be ranked.
so, you think the IRS would just listen to the ncaa about taxes? so, the ncaa, which would be almost nothing if those schools left, would somehow have more sway with our government than a collection of the largest, richest, universities in the country. interesting theory...
Great insight Dan. I think many posters on this board fail to understand the growing division between the P5 and G5 schools.
I think the P5 has been smart to take things slowly but if, as you say, the P5 increase the number of scholarships, relax transfer rules and begin accepting any certain number of Props, the G5 schools will be left scrambling for the scraps.
i'm afraid the G5 schools will begin to separate as well. Those G5 schools in locations where many quality high school prospects abound will have significant advantages over schools like Marshall. WV just doesn'the produce many Division 1 athletes each year. Fan base and facilities help but I worry about Marshall'score future in this Brave New World.
i'm sure you are losing sleep at night over Marshall...
i would be more worried about wVu in the above scenario. the top P5 teams are stronger now than they were 5 years ago. if there is a separation with an increase in scholarships/transfers/ect the top of the top will pull further away from the wVu's of the world. Marshall will always have the fan support of an upper G5 school. that has been proven regardless of record or opponent. I don't see any scenario where Marshall starts getting less money than it currently gets from football. we will be fine. wVu will fall further off the map that a watered-down Big East and 1 big time game a season allowed them to draw in crayon...
They wouldn't have to...they'd probably go right after them.
The size and political power of a school can only go so far...the mere fact such a thing as taxes and money being involved, the schools are probably going to have their own civil wars...considering several faculty members are probably going to be against the school's emphasis on athletics.
I'm not saying the NCAA is in the picture...the NCAA can do what they want even if they cease to exist, I'm saying that the umbrella of protection from taxes is going to be lifted as the P-5 are going to have to convince America they are still educating people...and THAT is what is going to work against them...because the Federal Government is going to be involved...raise their eyebrows and say,
"Hmm, speaking of taxes and exemption..."
We may not even have to worry about that though...the education system is going to turn out like the Real Estate crash anyways...
Ha! You're right! I'm battling an incurable form of cancer so when I lose sleep, it's usually about my treatment regiment or my family's future.
But I've had a passion for college athletics and I've lucky to cover some of college football and basketballs greatest games, teams, and programs. College athletics provide a great stress reliever for me and a welcome diversion from life and death scenarios that are so much more important than games at any level.
You make a solid point about WVU--another team that I have covered and follow. But since this is a Marshall board for Herd fans, I didn't think it appropriate to talk about their obvious dilemma.
WVU has accepted a major challenge of attempting to compete in a big boy league that features a pair of college football blue bloods and other teams in the conference surrounded by some of the best high school players in the country. As mentioned previously, the state of WV offers very few Division 1 players each year which forces WVU to go to other states to recruit players.
WVU's budget, which is certainly not in the neighborhood of Texas, Ohio State or Michigan (and it never will be) is somewhere in the middle of the P5 group of schools. Approaching $100 million, you have to wonder how much is enough? I disagree with people on this board who think WVU lacks the resources to compete. The right coach can win there. Look at TCU and Baylor. While WVU will likely never win a national championship, three BCS Bowl championships against Georgia, Oklahoma and Clemson suggest that WVU can compete at a national level.
However, I don't lose sleep over them either. Consider them ramblings from an old guy who saw his first college football game in 1963 and watched eventual Eisman Trophy winner Roger S taubach dismantle WVU 52-7. Agree or disagree with my observations matters little to me. It's part of what makes watching college athletics so great IMO. If you strongly disagree with me, just utilize the ignore feature and be done with me.
Ha! You're right! I'm battling an incurable form of cancer so when I lose sleep, it's usually about my treatment regiment or my family's future.
But I've had a passion for college athletics and I've lucky to cover some of college football and basketballs greatest games, teams, and programs. College athletics provide a great stress reliever for me and a welcome diversion from life and death scenarios that are so much more important than games at any level.
You make a solid point about WVU--another team that I have covered and follow. But since this is a Marshall board for Herd fans, I didn't think it appropriate to talk about their obvious dilemma.
WVU has accepted a major challenge of attempting to compete in a big boy league that features a pair of college football blue bloods and other teams in the conference surrounded by some of the best high school players in the country. As mentioned previously, the state of WV offers very few Division 1 players each year which forces WVU to go to other states to recruit players.
WVU's budget, which is certainly not in the neighborhood of Texas, Ohio State or Michigan (and it never will be) is somewhere in the middle of the P5 group of schools. Approaching $100 million, you have to wonder how much is enough? I disagree with people on this board who think WVU lacks the resources to compete. The right coach can win there. Look at TCU and Baylor. While WVU will likely never win a national championship, three BCS Bowl championships against Georgia, Oklahoma and Clemson suggest that WVU can compete at a national level.
However, I don't lose sleep over them either. Consider them ramblings from an old guy who saw his first college football game in 1963 and watched eventual Eisman Trophy winner Roger S taubach dismantle WVU 52-7. Agree or disagree with my observations matters little to me. It's part of what makes watching college athletics so great IMO. If you strongly disagree with me, just utilize the ignore feature and be done with me.
Too bad you mentioned two teams deep rooted in Texas...the thing is, they don't need to spend as much as wvu does...and wvu used to own the fertile recruiting grounds of MD, PA, NJ, NY, and northern VA. However, with all the schools around them, moving up themselves and being somewhat competitive, its going to take its toll...and it requires more than just a coach.
You mentioned TCU and Baylor...TCu had 7 donors PAY FOR THE ENTIRE NEW STADIUM THEY PLAY IN NOW...let that sink in...they have money...and LOTS of it.
Baylor has the coat tails of RG3 and Art Briles' success, and with UT or OU down, its even more competitive.
3 BCS bowls suggests that wvu can compete? Yeah, when they had maybe 1 or 2 opponents on the schedule to actually worry about.
Now, essentially, every game is against a bowl caliber opponent...and ee are seeing the results.
Wvu simply and fundamentally cannot compete week in and out with the Big 12. Its evident as wvu has had, statistically, some really good teams, and still cannot find ways to win...but hey, because of an aging bowl win against a team who has a nickname that embodies their habit of mid-season collapses, its alright...they're still competitive, lol.
look at TCU and Baylor?!?!?!?!?!
ok... Fort Worth, Texas and Waco, Texas
this is why wVu fans are so delusional. you honestly think a coach is the only thing holding you back in the Big 12. high school kids in Texas do NOT dream of playing in Morgantown, WV. other than Pat White, i doubt many know anything about wVu. schools like TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech are the fallback schools for these kids behind Texas, Oklahoma, Texas AM, ALL SEC schools, ect. wVu will NEVER be a yearly contender for a Big 12 title because of geography. plain and simple. they may sneak in there once every 10 years or so like in the old Big East days, but that is about it...
ok... Fort Worth, Texas and Waco, Texas
this is why wVu fans are so delusional. you honestly think a coach is the only thing holding you back in the Big 12. high school kids in Texas do NOT dream of playing in Morgantown, WV. other than Pat White, i doubt many know anything about wVu. schools like TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech are the fallback schools for these kids behind Texas, Oklahoma, Texas AM, ALL SEC schools, ect. wVu will NEVER be a yearly contender for a Big 12 title because of geography. plain and simple. they may sneak in there once every 10 years or so like in the old Big East days, but that is about it...
If I'm not mistaken, Ft. Worth has, per capita, the highest concentration of millionaires in the U.S.
It is 16 teams in every other division, and there are 10 conferences, so it must be 16 teams to allow for all conference champions and to also give the opportunity to the independents and top at-large teams to make the playoff. 8 teams allows for the G5 schools to continue to be excluded.
Well, with the amount of money that would be going to the G5 conferences with an expanded playoff, it certainly would help in recruiting against the P5 schools that are considered to be among the elites. Think about it, top G5 schools would actually have better access level to the playoff than the mid-tier or less P5 schools. it would be a game changer in our favor if it were to ever happen.
i know, but he was pretty popular nationwide and still not so far removed that high school kids in Texas may remember him.
8 teams could happen in 2021... That would be a money-making move.
16 will never happen in D1 for several reasons, but the most important reason is that the P5 schools simply wont allow it.
Good luck getting Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Florida State, USC, Notre Dame, etc. to agree to a playoff system where they would have to allow the conference champs from CUSA, the MAC, AAC, Sun Belt and Mountain West to have a spot... If you think that is possible, ever, I have some ocean-front property in Arizona that I would love to sell you.
16 will never happen in D1 for several reasons, but the most important reason is that the P5 schools simply wont allow it.
Good luck getting Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Florida State, USC, Notre Dame, etc. to agree to a playoff system where they would have to allow the conference champs from CUSA, the MAC, AAC, Sun Belt and Mountain West to have a spot... If you think that is possible, ever, I have some ocean-front property in Arizona that I would love to sell you.
I wouldnt be surprised if the G5 begins marketing the Access Bowl...still a major bowl and a good way to display talents. Until things change, that could be our selling point for talent...that and just gettimg players who can put up great stats to boost their potential careers after college football.
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