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Maybe it's just that I am getting old and difficult, but customer service seems to drop off drastically year-by-year. When I get my food at any casual take-out place, I always say "thank you." It is rare that any of the workers say "thanks" to me for giving them business. Same with grocery stores. I always say "thanks" to the cashier and bagger, but it's rare that it is said back to me. And it didn't used to be like that.

Yesterday morning, after a workout, I walked past a kiosk in the mall. It was a place that was selling some sort of formula used to clean sneakers. One employee was cleaning the shoes of a teenage girl while her dad/brother stood there watching. As I was walking past, I heard another employee say "You're way too rich to be looking like that." I stopped to ask him "what" acting like I didn't hear him. He approached me and said "You're way too rich to be looking like that, let me fix you up for a few minutes while motioning to my sneakers." I asked him what he meant by that comment and said "You're really talking shit about how I look as I walk past your kiosk?" He said "I saw you walk past the first time and knew you were rich by how you carried yourself, so yeah, you're too rich to be looking like that." I repeated, "So, again, you're talking shit about the way I look trying to get my business? That's not a good way to get my business, but it is a good way to get your 150 lbs. thrown to the floor."

Nearly two months ago, I went to a UPS Store (privately owned stores that UPS doesn't control) to send a shipment to Canada. I was told how much it would cost. I asked to make sure there were no other fees for it be delivered other than the $40 I was having to pay. I was assured that it would be delivered by a certain day and that the $40 was all it would be. Two days later, the intended recipient stated that he received a notice stating that there was a notice on his door stating that there was another $80 that needed to be paid before they would make the delivery, and that they would try three total deliveries before 1) sending the package back to me, which I would have to pay for 2) confiscating the package and then disposing of it if not paid in a certain amount of time. I immediately contacted the UPS Store. The manager said she'd leave a note for the owner. I called back after not hearing from him, at which point, I was prompted to email him since he checks it every day. Of course, still no response from him. I had no choice but to pay an additional $80 for the final delivery, which brought the total to $120 of shipping for something worth only $200. It's been two months and the owner takes two to three weeks to respond to a single email. Nearly a month ago, he asked for a receipt of the additional charge that I had to pay. I have since emailed him and talked to the store manager on the phone since the owner (who goes to the store every single day) takes weeks to respond. Finally, today, he responded that the store would "take half liability" and give me $40. Of course, that doesn't work for me, and I called him out for being a moron who has dragged this on for two months instead of just doing the right thing. Online reviews of the store and this owner in particular show that this is far from the first time he has pulled this scheme - according to others, he claims that he didn't know international shipments would be an additional charge on the other end . . . and he has used that excuse multiple times.

Last night, I bought six individual bottles of one quart oil. After paying for them. the cashier handed me my receipt. He didn't bag up the bottles. Did he expect me to carry all six bottles and just put them in my car like that? In front of him, I started bagging the bottles myself. He saw it and simply moved to the register next door to help the next customer in line without saying anything.

I was talking to a college student who works at a pizza joint. The employees there are given two missed day chances before they are punished. A "missed day" is simply not showing up without calling ahead on a day you were scheduled to work. So you are scheduled to work, don't call out or let anyone know, simply don't show up, and you can do that twice without facing any type of punishment.

People are simply clueless. I hate to be the guy who says "It didn't used to be like this," but employees saying "thank you" was the standard everywhere just 10-20 years ago. Now, it is done less than half of the time unless it is a server at a sit-down restaurant.
 
Today's youth have zero people skills. They have spent the greater part of their life texting, emailing, etc.

I've hired college students in the past, and each year they keep getting worse in regards to dependability, (call off all the time and couldn't care less who it impacts) awkward with people not their age, and horrible work ethic, even when they do show up.
 
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Long story about dummies.

No showing the pizza joint? Man, back in my day you might get away with the boss for a no-show (decent help is hard to find), but if the kitchen was slammed extra hard because they were down a man you might very well get punched in the nuts sometime during your next shift.

Was the UPS store owner a foreigner? And by foreigner, I mean Indian or Arab. Those fvcking people are THE WORST at service and most seem to be arrogant.
 
This is a quality and valid bitch session. I have said this for the last few years. Customer service has gone way down hill. I think it is because of the Amazon, google, and WalMart society that we live in. Plus, morons and business who do not give a flip about the customer. They want the quick sale and low margin sale and not the long term relationship.
 
Maybe it's just that I am getting old and difficult, but customer service seems to drop off drastically year-by-year. When I get my food at any casual take-out place, I always say "thank you." It is rare that any of the workers say "thanks" to me for giving them business. Same with grocery stores. I always say "thanks" to the cashier and bagger, but it's rare that it is said back to me. And it didn't used to be like that.

Yesterday morning, after a workout, I walked past a kiosk in the mall. It was a place that was selling some sort of formula used to clean sneakers. One employee was cleaning the shoes of a teenage girl while her dad/brother stood there watching. As I was walking past, I heard another employee say "You're way too rich to be looking like that." I stopped to ask him "what" acting like I didn't hear him. He approached me and said "You're way too rich to be looking like that, let me fix you up for a few minutes while motioning to my sneakers." I asked him what he meant by that comment and said "You're really talking shit about how I look as I walk past your kiosk?" He said "I saw you walk past the first time and knew you were rich by how you carried yourself, so yeah, you're too rich to be looking like that." I repeated, "So, again, you're talking shit about the way I look trying to get my business? That's not a good way to get my business, but it is a good way to get your 150 lbs. thrown to the floor."

Nearly two months ago, I went to a UPS Store (privately owned stores that UPS doesn't control) to send a shipment to Canada. I was told how much it would cost. I asked to make sure there were no other fees for it be delivered other than the $40 I was having to pay. I was assured that it would be delivered by a certain day and that the $40 was all it would be. Two days later, the intended recipient stated that he received a notice stating that there was a notice on his door stating that there was another $80 that needed to be paid before they would make the delivery, and that they would try three total deliveries before 1) sending the package back to me, which I would have to pay for 2) confiscating the package and then disposing of it if not paid in a certain amount of time. I immediately contacted the UPS Store. The manager said she'd leave a note for the owner. I called back after not hearing from him, at which point, I was prompted to email him since he checks it every day. Of course, still no response from him. I had no choice but to pay an additional $80 for the final delivery, which brought the total to $120 of shipping for something worth only $200. It's been two months and the owner takes two to three weeks to respond to a single email. Nearly a month ago, he asked for a receipt of the additional charge that I had to pay. I have since emailed him and talked to the store manager on the phone since the owner (who goes to the store every single day) takes weeks to respond. Finally, today, he responded that the store would "take half liability" and give me $40. Of course, that doesn't work for me, and I called him out for being a moron who has dragged this on for two months instead of just doing the right thing. Online reviews of the store and this owner in particular show that this is far from the first time he has pulled this scheme - according to others, he claims that he didn't know international shipments would be an additional charge on the other end . . . and he has used that excuse multiple times.

Last night, I bought six individual bottles of one quart oil. After paying for them. the cashier handed me my receipt. He didn't bag up the bottles. Did he expect me to carry all six bottles and just put them in my car like that? In front of him, I started bagging the bottles myself. He saw it and simply moved to the register next door to help the next customer in line without saying anything.

I was talking to a college student who works at a pizza joint. The employees there are given two missed day chances before they are punished. A "missed day" is simply not showing up without calling ahead on a day you were scheduled to work. So you are scheduled to work, don't call out or let anyone know, simply don't show up, and you can do that twice without facing any type of punishment.

People are simply clueless. I hate to be the guy who says "It didn't used to be like this," but employees saying "thank you" was the standard everywhere just 10-20 years ago. Now, it is done less than half of the time unless it is a server at a sit-down restaurant.
You are 100% correct. I told my wife recently that I would hate to be a franchise owner these days. Having to rely on this generation to maintain standards of quality and customer service would be a sure way to lose your shirt.
 
Was the UPS store owner a foreigner? And by foreigner, I mean Indian or Arab. Those fvcking people are THE WORST at service and most seem to be arrogant.

White, local guy. I have never met him - emailed a handful of times and he called once. He called on a Friday and said he would get back to me on Monday. Two weeks later, he still hadn't. I sent another email to him and left him a voicemail. It took another week for him to respond.

I looked into how this guy could still be in business (even though I know that a UPS Store next to a huge college campus will always stay in business) and read that his mother, the former owner/operator, passed away in February, so he is pretty new at running it. Still, since that time, he has had quite a few online complaints about him misleading customers and then playing dumb about it.

I understand stupidity, but I just can't understand how I always say "thank you" as a customer and how frequent it is that I get a "sure" back or nothing at all.
 
Was the UPS store owner a foreigner? And by foreigner, I mean Indian or Arab. Those fvcking people are THE WORST at service and most seem to be arrogant.

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You’re right, though.
 
I was in Wal Mart last night getting some things to pack for my son's lunch this week. The girl working the register had two of those circular tribal loop earrings in her ears that stretch the hole in her ear. She had partially blue hair. She had an ear bud in one ear listening to music, and she complained the whole time she was ringing up the person ahead of me. When it became my turn, I said "how are you?" She replied "oh, I'm here. I somehow managed to make it through the day, and I have to find some way to come back here tomorrow and do this all over again." I said "well that's called being an adult, and I figured that out just a few short years ago myself." She went on to tell me how hard it was to stand there and ring people up all day, so I told her she was under no obligation to work there and could simply not come back to work if she wanted.

I'm sure this one isn't unique, but out of every ten times I'm in McDonald's drive thru, I bet they mess up my order at least five times. It's so infuriating. A few weeks ago, I ordered two hamburger Happy Meals for my kids and got home only to discover that neither one of them had hamburgers in it. Just apples and French fries. How on earth can you mess that up?

I've had clients tell me that I'm the best banker they have ever worked with simply because I answer the phone when they call or that I call them back shortly thereafter. That's a pretty low standard. Client service seriously lacks in our society. That is an absolute fact.
 
Had another one at the grocery store tonight, but this one was more that the kid was just stupid.

The woman in front of me bought two balloons which needed helium in them. The guy cashier tried finding the amount she needed to be charged for the helium. The customer explained to him that if a customer buys the actual balloons from the store, the helium is free. The customer explained to him that the only time there is a charge for helium is if the customer brings in balloons they bought elsewhere. Not believing her, the cashier called for a manager. The manager came over and explained exactly what the customer had said. By this point, the customer had paid and was on the other side of the counter near the helium container. So I was waiting (with three people behind me) while the cashier was having this explained to him instead of this being told to him at the beginning or end of his shift. But then, with the manager still there putting helium in the balloons for the customer, the cashier got out his book that had bar codes in them so he could learn which one he would have to scan for a helium charge (again, instead of doing that at the end of his shift). He then scanned my two items while the manager was still explaining it to him. He took my receipt, had it in his hand, and turned his head to talk to the manager more about the situation with the other customer. After about more seconds of that, with three people still behind me in line, I took the receipt from his hand and grabbed my two items and walked out of the door.

The kid didn't mean to lack customer service and be a moron, he just wasn't a bright person.


And if you guys don't think I am petty enough already, here is an email that I sent a month ago to the CEO and Vice President of Jack in the Box. As I have mentioned in the past, I also take time to give managers compliments about employees who are good at their job:



Marcus,

I'd like to thank Jack in the Box for providing me with one of the worst fast food experiences I have ever had. Not surprisingly, even after leaving the restaurant, the experience continues to get worse.

At 11:28 pm (I know the exact time because I ended a phone call when I was in the drive-thru), I pulled into the drive-thru at your XXXXXX location. After a few minutes of waiting in the car line, I realized it was going to be a long wait, because none of the four cars in front of me had proceeded yet. However, another car had pulled behind me, so I couldn't leave the drive-thru if I wanted because the lane is extremely narrow even for one vehicle, and there is no way to leave the line; not great design. Sixteen minutes later, I finally pulled up to the menu/speaker to place my order. After waiting another 4-5 minutes, I spoke into the speaker to see if somebody would respond. There was no response. About three minutes later - so 7-8 minutes after I had arrived at the speaker and 24 minutes after being in line, the lighted menu went dark. I tried talking and again there was silence. After waiting another two minutes, I pulled around the corner to the windows to see if I needed to order there and/or to get some feedback about what was going on. There were two cars waiting there. I waited as each of those vehicles received their food. I then finally pulled up and saw the window was closed and no employees were visible. I waited a couple of minutes and beeped my horn. A female employee opened the window and simply said "Oh, we are having computer problems." That was it - no explanation, no comment if they can or can't take an order, no apology. I responded "Well, I have been in line for almost 30 minutes now, and the two cars in front of me just received their food." She sat there with a blank expression and no response. I then asked if I can still order food. She responded that I will be able to in a while when the computers come back on. I asked how long "a while" was, which she wasn't able to answer. At that point, I said that I needed to speak to the manager. She claimed that she was the manager. I inquired if she was the general manager, at which point, she said she was the team lead manager at that time. I told her that I had been in line for more than 30 minutes, no employees even bothered telling those of us in line that they had computer problems, and that I needed to be compensated somehow for my time and gas money. She again sat there expressionless. I asked for a business card or contact information for the general manager. She said she didn't have it. I asked for contact information for the corporate office. She again claimed that she didn't have it. At that point, I saw that there was a sticker on the window with the contact information for Jack in the Box customer service. I took a picture of it with my phone and requested her first name (she wasn't wearing a name tag). She once again looked at me expressionless. I then said "I need your first name so that when I contact your corporate office, I can tell them which manager it was that I spoke with and how she didn't even have the basic customer service skills to apologize for what has happened." At that point, she gave me an ugly look and shut the window in my face. I then watched as she ran - literally ran - to the back of the restaurant to hide from the window so that the next cars that pulled up after waiting forever in the drive-thru wouldn't be able to see her.

I then pulled into the Shell gas station next door, as I decided to get food in there. While walking in, I saw at least four cars in the drive-thru line, including one that had pulled up in front of the window. I went inside the Shell station, looked for food, paid for it, came out, and the same four cars were still in the drive-thru (and once again, if any car wanted to get out of that line, they wouldn't be able to due to the poor design of your restaurant). It was extremely disrespectful for your employees to hide from customers and waste their time instead of telling them that they couldn't place an order at that time.

But that's not the end of the awful experience with Jack in the Box. Attached, you will see the picture that I took of the sticker on the window. Go ahead and go the website that it lists under the "How was your visit" section (www.jackinthebox.com/contactus). As you can see, that page doesn't exist. Then, go ahead and call the number listed in that section (858-522-4716). As you can now tell, that phone line is dead, as there is no ringing that takes place.

Jack in the Box wasted ten minutes each way of my driving and gas (20 minutes total), approximately 35 minutes of waiting in the drive-thru and using my gas, had horrendous customer service by the employees not telling cars in the drive-thru of the issue, the team-lead having no tact by not apologizing, the team-lead refusing to give her first name, the team-lead refusing to provide the general manager's or corporate contact info, and the team-lead running away from the window instead of telling the cars not to waste their time waiting. The fact that the sticker for customer service on the window doesn't even have a working web address or working phone number answers a lot of questions about how your computers went down and how the team-lead lacked such basic customer service skills; clearly, it is an issue at the corporate level that trickles down to incompetence at franchise locations.

I wasted nearly an hour of my time and gas, not to mention the time trying to go the invalid web address and dead phone number, and the time to type this email.
 
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My wife and I had a similar experience at Long John Silver's. We pulled into the drive thru with about six minutes to spare until the store closed. At that time, we witnessed two other couples walk into the store, as the doors were still open. The lights were all on, and the automated voice asked to take our order. I proceeded to order and, upon finishing, was greeted with silence. We waited for a couple minutes and then drove up to the window, asking what was going on and if we needed to order at the window or what. The lady replied that the store was closed and they weren't serving any more food, while simultaneously a guy behind her was ripping open a bag of fish and putting it into the fryer. My wife, a stickler for customer service, asked what they were doing with the food that was being opened and cooked as she spoke to us. The lady, who was also the manager on duty, had no response. She simply said they were closed and shut the window in our face.

My wife, which I would swear is riflearm's customer service clone, looked up the phone number and called the store after we drove off. Another lady answered and started laughing at us when my wife asked to speak to the manager. She said "OMG, I told you it would be that guy and girl that just left here." The manager on duty picked up the phone, started cursing at my wife and then hung up the phone. So...rather than go and kill the girl, my wife decided to call their corporate office and ask for someone to call her back. It wasn't until a few days later that the actual store manager called and offered us two free meals for our trouble. My wife kindly (not really) explained to the manager that we were given, by far, the worst customer service experience we had ever had and that there was no way we were eating there ever again.
 
No offense intended, rifle, and not saying yore miserable as i'm really not going to read an essay of why yore life is so grand and yore so happy and not miserable, just like I merely read just the first couple lines of the email you sent jack off in a box, but if I EVER get to the point of my existence that I am miserable enough - because that's what it'd take for me to do it, pure misery - to write a complaint, let alone one of that length, somebody please either help me pull the trigger and end it all or change the diaper that i'm sure I'll be wearing at that point of my life.
 
I see big c is bitchin about fat food, too. It's fast food boys. These people aren't paid minimum wage because they're geniuses. And, some of you want to raise that and over pay them. Ha.

My fast food story: I asked a rag head at a McDonald's in Annapolis for biscuit & gravy, as 1) I thought all mcd's had biscuit/gravy and 2) mcd's biscuit/gravy is actually pretty decent for fast food.

He gave me a biscuit and grape jelly.
 
This one is a little different in that it's awful customer service, but to the internal customer.

Some time last summer, I went to Chipotle to pick up dinner for my family. The place was slammed, so I had quite a long wait standing in line. While I waited, I couldn't help but notice the manager was being a pompous little ass to his staff. He kept correcting them in a very demoralizing manner as if he were their supreme leader and they were his little peons. At one point, he embarrassed the hell out of one of the servers. Rather than cause a scene myself standing up for these poor souls, I waited till I got home and emailed Chipotle customer service. Surprisingly, I received a response in about an hour and it was on a Saturday evening, no less.

When I visited that same Chipotle about a week later, that manager was still there, but you could tell someone had ripped his ass. He was being respectful to his staff members and treating them like actual human beings.
 
No offense intended, rifle, and not saying yore miserable as i'm really not going to read an essay of why yore life is so grand and yore so happy and not miserable, just like I merely read just the first couple lines of the email you sent jack off in a box, but if I EVER get to the point of my existence that I am miserable enough - because that's what it'd take for me to do it, pure misery - to write a complaint, let alone one of that length, somebody please either help me pull the trigger and end it all or change the diaper that i'm sure I'll be wearing at that point of my life.

Jesus...is that one sentence?
 
No offense intended, rifle, and not saying yore miserable as i'm really not going to read an essay of why yore life is so grand and yore so happy and not miserable, just like I merely read just the first couple lines of the email you sent jack off in a box, but if I EVER get to the point of my existence that I am miserable enough - because that's what it'd take for me to do it, pure misery - to write a complaint, let alone one of that length, somebody please either help me pull the trigger and end it all or change the diaper that i'm sure I'll be wearing at that point of my life.


If you think the Jack-In-The-Box one was bad, you should see the one I wrote a couple of weeks earlier for Avis Rent-A-Car.

The regional manager called me and admitted that, yes, the manager at the location lied to me and was simply trying to make a better margin on the vehicle. It's a good story. In the meantime, I discovered that they are taking advantage of a huge company that rents numerous cars from them each day, simply because they know the huge company won't worry about a couple of hundred dollars extra per day.
 
If you think the Jack-In-The-Box one was bad, you should see the one I wrote a couple of weeks earlier for Avis Rent-A-Car.

The regional manager called me and admitted that, yes, the manager at the location lied to me and was simply trying to make a better margin on the vehicle. It's a good story. In the meantime, I discovered that they are taking advantage of a huge company that rents numerous cars from them each day, simply because they know the huge company won't worry about a couple of hundred dollars extra per day.


The gas options are the biggest rip offs for rental cars. The three options are usually...

1. They give you full tank and you bring it back full.
2. You bring it back without filling and then pay them for the gas to fill it at an exhorbitant cost per gallon.

And this one that Avis tried to get me to take...

3. “If you are going to use a full tank, let us sell you the first tank at discounted local market value.”


I got all kinds of pressure to take option three. The ONLY option to take is option 1 from a monetary point of view. You pay only for the gas you use. On two and three, if you don’t coast in on fumes you’ve just bought gas for the rental car company. Option 3 sounds good on the surface. If you get a nickel discount on the cost per gallon that sounds pretty good. But do the math. In a 16 gallon tank you save 80 cents on a fill up. After you have used the first tank, if you bring it back with even one gallon you end up paying $2.50 to $3.00 (whatever the local rate is) to save that 80 cents. Bring it back with a quarter of a tank and you pay $10 to $12 for the 80 cent saving.


My young adult daughters were standing with me and I was able to use the situation to teach them. If you are being pressured to take a certain option, it almost always means that it is to the benefit of the entity that is applying pressure...and at your expense.
 
1) I thought all mcd's had biscuit/gravy.

Fvck no. You need to get out more. And it's random, you would think every McD's in the south would have B&G but fvck no. But some in Michigan do. WTF? Not only does it make no sense, but it is near the top of my list of "things I see on road trips that make no sense".

And here's a crazy one: the Waffle House nearest me no longer has omelettes on the menu. But you can order omelettes. Good thing I asked, because I was starting to get pissed. It should be state law for all greasy spoons to have omelettes on the menu. But why would a restaurant take an extremely popular item off the menu? And then still have it available?
 
After he rubbed his dirty pecker on it for getting smart with him.
this particular mcd's gets to know me and a couple buds quite well throughout the summer months. it's last stop before putting boat on the chesapeake at 4:30 to 5 a.m., and typically one or two of us will have the buzz on by then. this was the only time i remember this guy being there. i repeated "biscuit & gravy" probably 5 or 6 times. at that point i knew i wasn't getting that but was interested to see what it was. pecker rubbed biscuit and grape jelly. one of the other workers stood there and laughed.

there's been other instances where we didn't get what we ordered there. once, the amazonian female (i think female, anyhoo) that took my order was about to go off on me when i told her it was wrong. she gave me that "i'll kick you the fvck completely out this state" look, so i politely told her i would eat it and like it.
 
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Fvck no. You need to get out more. And it's random, you would think every McD's in the south would have B&G but fvck no. But some in Michigan do. WTF? Not only does it make no sense, but it is near the top of my list of "things I see on road trips that make no sense".

And here's a crazy one: the Waffle House nearest me no longer has omelettes on the menu. But you can order omelettes. Good thing I asked, because I was starting to get pissed. It should be state law for all greasy spoons to have omelettes on the menu. But why would a restaurant take an extremely popular item off the menu? And then still have it available?
when i "get out more", mcdonald's is the last fvcking place i'll eat. the only reason we hit that one is it's the only place open on that strip at 4:30/5 a.m.

waffle house use to be the tits for me. i wouldn't miss one for breakfast when on a road trip. then, ate at one when living in va beach back in summer '97. took a bite of an omelette and pulled about a 15" long hair out of my mouth. something about a hair in your food will make ya not want to eat at a particular place, or even chain, again. it wasn't until coming back from vacation 2 years ago somewhere in georgia that i could force myself to eat at a waffle house. since then, i've been on a couple drunken trips with by BFF who goes to gun shows in NC and buys guns at a yuge discount to sell. waffle house 2 a.m. fukt up ain't bad.
 
Who orders biscuits and gravy from McDonald’s?!?!!
who orders anything from mcdonalds? it's shit like the rest of their menu . . . but it ain't bad shit in a pinch. if you've never had it, you don't know what you're missing. lol.
 
Fvck no. You need to get out more. And it's random, you would think every McD's in the south would have B&G but fvck no. But some in Michigan do. WTF? Not only does it make no sense, but it is near the top of my list of "things I see on road trips that make no sense".
Might not make sense, but every restaurant I've been to up here has biscuits and gravy, and many even have grits. Most people look at Michigan and think I'm the only white dude that lives in the entire state. Truth be told, there's not all that many bros that make up the population of Michigan. Michigan is 79% white, 14% colored, 3% Asian, and 4% other (which is mostly the Mexicans and the terrorists that populate Dearborn). There's plenty of rednecks up here. Based on the numbers, I'm one of 8,000,000 of them. Not saying all whites are rednecks up here, but they might be.
 
Might not make sense, but every restaurant I've been to up here has biscuits and gravy, and many even have grits. Most people look at Michigan and think I'm the only white dude that lives in the entire state. Truth be told, there's not all that many bros that make up the population of Michigan. Michigan is 79% white, 14% colored, 3% Asian, and 4% other (which is mostly the Mexicans and the terrorists that populate Dearborn). There's plenty of rednecks up here. Based on the numbers, I'm one of 8,000,000 of them. Not saying all whites are rednecks up here, but they might be.
i'm hoping to meet the great michjackass next summer for beers at some bar on a lake where we can get drunked up and laugh at liberals with the some of the other michigan rednecks. i had tried to plan a michigan vacation several years ago, but lost out to the wife and kids and ended up on a cruise or in the carribean, can't recall which year it was. anyhoo, i'm pulling an admin decision next year and heading for the ewe pee . . . i think.

the only problem i have at this point is figuring out how i'm going to get around that shit hole known as uhia to get there.
 
when i "get out more", mcdonald's is the last fvcking place i'll eat. the only reason we hit that one is it's the only place open on that strip at 4:30/5 a.m.

That's the whole point of McD's on the road...early and fast breakfast. Although if you pull into one around rush hour your ass is going to wait awhile. Until dinner I pretty much live off of Diet Coke and jerky. Once I arrive at my destination, fvck no I am not eating McD's.

McD's is like 50/50 good service. Either you get a really good one, or you get an all-black/all-methhead/ one.
 
Think the wait is sometimes long now, just wait until they bring the McRib back again. Damn brothers tear that shit up. Me, I can't eat the glob of fat. I'm not even sure what kind of meat it is, but it damn sure doesn't taste like any ribs I've ever eaten over the last 58 years.
 
Agreed. Anyone who goes into a restaurant six minutes before they close deserves some jizz added to their food.


They close at 10:00 pm, not 9:54 pm. It usually takes 3-4 minutes to complete a drive thru order. Also, the the restaurant had multiple people inside and people were still walking in. It was busy. We thought by going through the drive thru that we were being courteous because we would take our food home and eat, rather than make the employees stay long after 10:00 pm.
 
They close at 10:00 pm, not 9:54 pm. It usually takes 3-4 minutes to complete a drive thru order. Also, the the restaurant had multiple people inside and people were still walking in. It was busy. We thought by going through the drive thru that we were being courteous because we would take our food home and eat, rather than make the employees stay long after 10:00 pm.

Still an asshole.
 
The general rule is that with a sit down restaurant (i.e., not fast food joint), then you should be there at minimum, 30-45 minutes prior to closing time. Even then, you should be ready to order and eat quickly. Most nicer establishments even list a cutoff time for ordering, or as most of you likely have seen, Kitchen Closes at "X", even though the establishment is open beyond the time the kitchen closes. As for a place like Taco Bell or McDonalds, if they close at 10, then it's okay to order right up until the point they actually close. It's expected. Afterall, it's a fast food joint. It doesn't mean you may not end up with an oozy as one of your condiments though.
If you're at one of those places at closing time, usually in the wee hours of the morning, you're likely high enough though that a thick oozy on your burger will go unnoticed.
 
They close at 10:00 pm, not 9:54 pm.

Yep, that's "things assholes say" when showing up to a restaurant six minutes before it closes.


. It usually takes 3-4 minutes to complete a drive thru order.

Perhaps, "usually" . . . but not when the drive-thru drawer has been counted and closed, when one of the grills has been turned off and cleaned, when all but one of the food prep guys has removed their gloves, when the garbage has been changed and taken out for the night, etc.


We thought by going through the drive thru that we were being courteous because we would take our food home and eat,
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You were at a fast-food spot. They weren't going to let you sit there for an hour to casually enjoy your meal after they closed. Even if you went inside to get the food, your ass would have been told that they close in six minutes, so enjoy your food in the car or at home.

rather than make the employees stay long after 10:00 pm.

You realize that by showing up six minutes before they closed, you're doing exactly what you think you are not making them do, right? You think that everything automatically is finished right when they close? If they close at 10, everything still needs to be cleaned, changed, counted, etc. For them to not have to "stay long after 10 pm," those things all need to be started a good 15 minutes prior to the "closing time." If you show up at 9:59 pm, you're almost likely to encounter everything having been cleaned and turned off so that the employees don't have to "stay long after 10 pm." But when somebody shows up six minutes before closing, all of those things have to be done again.

I just hope that creamy, white stuff on your sandwich tasted like mayonnaise.
 
I always thought that restaurants should put visible signage up that announces the drop dead time for drive through. Closing it one half hour prior to the restaurant closing would eliminate customers having to guess the cutoff. If the restaurant closes at 11:00 the drive through closes at 10:30. Get there at 10:29....you're served. Get there at 11:01...the drive through is closed and the lights are off on the order kiosk.

The same thing with closing time. Time it so everyone is served that gets in the door prior to time on the signage. If it pushes your closing time later than you want, roll back the stated closing time. This would eliminate all of the guesswork.

If I owned the location this would also make it clear to my workers what the expectation is for closing. If you leave the decision in their hand they won't make the correct business decision, but one that gets them out the door quicker. If the restaurant closes at 11:00, I would communicate that their hours goes till 12:00. That way I'm not allowing my employees to make the decision whether to turn away customers at 12 or 15 or 17 minutes prior to closing. The decision has already been made.
 
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who orders anything from mcdonalds? it's shit like the rest of their menu . . . but it ain't bad shit in a pinch. if you've never had it, you don't know what you're missing. lol.

Their breakfast burritos aren't bad, but you have to ask for extra packets of the hot salsa.
 
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