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Dem-appointed Colorado justice says Trump ballot ban undermines 'bedrock' of America in fiery dissent...

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What more do Democrats need to do to prove they are anti-America? They've made it no secret that they would do ANYTHING to oust Trump since the day he won the election, in 2016. It's been no-stop. There was no due process in this decision (anti-Constitution) but bleaters like @extragreen couldn't care less. This is from a Democrat-appointed judge too.

LINK: All 3 dissenting justices in the Colorado court's decision were Democrat appointees

The Colorado Supreme Court's decision to ban former President Trump from the state's primary ballot undermines a "bedrock principle" of American democracy, one of the court's Democrat-appointed justices wrote in a fiery dissent.

Justices Carlos Samour, Maria Berkenkotter and Chief Justice Brian D. Boatright all dissented, but Samour was particularly critical of the 4-3 ruling. Samour and Boatright were each appointed by Democratic former Gov. John Hickenlooper, while Berkenkotter was appointed by current Gov. Jared Polis, also a Democrat.

"The decision to bar former President Donald J. Trump — by all accounts the current leading Republican presidential candidate (and reportedly the current leading overall presidential candidate) — from Colorado's presidential primary ballot flies in the face of the due process doctrine," Samour wrote.

"Even if we are convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past — dare I say, engaged in insurrection — there must be procedural due process before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office," he wrote.

Samour went on to argue that allowing states to decide individually whether to allow Trump's candidacy "risked chaos in the country." The justice conjured visions of state governments divided on the legitimacy of a victorious presidential candidate.

"This can't possibly be the outcome the framers intended," Samour argued.

Trump's campaign has already vowed to "swiftly" appeal the court's decision to the U.S. Supreme Court, where observers largely believe it will be overturned. Multiple other state supreme courts have dismissed similar efforts to remove Trump from the ballot, including in blue states like Minnesota.

"The Colorado Supreme Court issued a completely flawed decision tonight and we will swiftly file an appeal to the United States Supreme Court and a concurrent request for a stay of this deeply undemocratic decision. We have full confidence that the U.S. Supreme Court will quickly rule in our favor and finally put an end to these unAmerican lawsuits," Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement to Fox News Digital.

Nevertheless, the majority in Colorado's decision argued they did not "reach these conclusions lightly."

"We are mindful of the magnitude and weight of the questions now before us. We are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law, without fear or favor, and without being swayed by public reaction to the decisions that the law mandates we reach," they wrote.

"President Trump did not merely incite the insurrection," the majority opinion continued. "Even when the siege on the Capitol was fully underway, he continued to support it by repeatedly demanding that Vice President Pence refuse to perform his constitutional duty and by calling Senators to persuade them to stop the counting of electoral votes."
 
You're a lying idiot. Were there any due process or necessity of conviction when this amendment was inserted into the Constitution? The answer is NO. Could Jefferson Davis have run for and been elected after Lincoln's presidency? The answer is NO
 
You're a lying idiot. Were there any due process or necessity of conviction when this amendment was inserted into the Constitution? The answer is NO. Could Jefferson Davis have run for and been elected after Lincoln's presidency? The answer is NO

When the federal goverment finds Trump innocent, three Democrat, Trump-hating judges in Colorado can remove him from the ballot,m based on their opinion? We'll see what the U.S. Supreme Court says.

Dumbass.
 
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When the federal goverment finds Trump innocent
That's not going to happen.
three Democrat, Trump-hating judges in Colorado can remove him from the ballot,m based on their opinion?
They already did. moron. States rights, remember them?
We'll see what the U.S. Supreme Court says.
I have near zero expectation that trumps supreme court minions will hold to the Constitution.
 
You're a lying idiot.

There was no due process in finding Trump guilty. If we went strictly by biased judges' opinions, we would be in a world of shit, dumbass. The 6th amendment gives Trump and anyone else the right to a fair trial. Trump was not given one, dumbass.

You're a lying idiot.

Lie? Article 4, Section 4 of the United States Constitution requires the government to defend and protect its borders. That's not a lie, you dumbass.

I want your orange jesus imprisoned.

And I'm sure you want Pedo-Joe's binky too...Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
 
There was no due process in finding Trump guilty.
Same for Jefferson Davis. You stupid lying idiot. The Constitution doesn't require a criminal trial for the third clause in the 14th amendment. It's a civil case. You stupid lying idiot.

Article 4, Section 4 of the United States Constitution requires the government to defend and protect its borders.
Let's imprison your orange jesus for failing to do that at the same time we imprison Biden.

.Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Watch.
 
There was no due process in this decision
A court hearing is due process. It's laughable that a judge does not understand this, and par for the course that you do not.
There was no due process in finding Trump guilty.
There is no provision in the 14th Amendment for the necessity of a criminal trial.

I'm not sure why any of you Trumpers care, obviously the Supreme Court will overturn this (even if it were the correct decision).

What concerns me is states absolutely do have a right to determine who is qualified to be on their ballot. SCOTUS will have to be very narrow to avoid screwing that up...of course, this crew can bullshit just about anything they need to. The other pertinent part of this is I have seen opinions that this ruling would apply to all states, and I vehemently disagree with that....again, my point that individual states have a right to determine who qualifies in their state. The bullshit will have to be carefully worded bullshit so there are no unintended consequences.
 
Same for Jefferson Davis. You stupid lying idiot. The Constitution doesn't require a criminal trial for the third clause in the 14th amendment. It's a civil case. You stupid lying idiot.

Apples and oranges, dumbass. There was a trial set for Davis and it was ultimately dismissed by the prosecution. Trump wasn't afforded a trial. Damn, you're a dumbass.

Let's imprison your orange jesus for failing to do that at the same time we imprison Pedo-Joe.

Trump secured our borders. He deoprted illegal foreign nationals. Most secure border in 5 decades. You want to compare Pedo-Joe's open borders to that? Damn, you're a dumbass.


I haven't stopped. Trump will NOT go to prison.
 
What concerns me is states absolutely do have a right to determine who is qualified to be on their ballot.

So...A state, with no proof of guilt, should be allowed to remove a candidate from its ballot?

Due Process of Law
SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

ANNOTATIONS

Generally
Due process under the Fourteenth Amendment can be broken down into two categories: procedural due process and substantive due process. Procedural due process, based on principles of “fundamental fairness,” addresses which legal procedures are required to be followed in state proceedings. Relevant issues, as discussed in detail below, include notice, opportunity for hearing, confrontation and cross-examination, discovery, basis of decision, and availability of counsel. Substantive due process, although also based on principles of “fundamental fairness,” is used to evaluate whether a law can be applied by states at all, regardless of the procedure followed. Substantive due process has generally dealt with specific subject areas, such as liberty of contract or privacy, and over time has alternately emphasized the importance of economic and noneconomic matters. In theory, the issues of procedural and substantive due process are closely related. In reality, substantive due process has had greater political import, as significant portions of a state legislature’s substantive jurisdiction can be restricted by its application.

Although the extent of the rights protected by substantive due process may be controversial, its theoretical basis is firmly established and forms the basis for much of modern constitutional case law. Passage of the Reconstruction Amendments (13th, 14th, and 15th) gave the federal courts the authority to intervene when a state threatened fundamental rights of its citizens,39 and one of the most important doctrines flowing from this is the application of the Bill of Rights to the states through the Due Process Clause.40 Through the process of “selective incorporation,” most of the provisions of the first eight Amendments, such as free speech, freedom of religion, and protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, are applied against the states as they are against the federal government. Though application of these rights against the states is no longer controversial, the incorporation of other substantive rights, as is discussed in detail below, has been.
 
A state, with no proof of guilt,
Dumbass, there was a week long civil trial at the circuit court level about this. Trump's attorneys called witnesses, the whole shebang. This CO SC ruling was because of an appeal of a narrow part of the decision. When cases are appealed to a higher court, do you think a whole new trial, like the first one, is conducted?
 
Dumbass, there was a week long civil trial at the circuit court level about this. Trump's attorneys called witnesses, the whole shebang. This CO SC ruling was because of an appeal of a narrow part of the decision. When cases are appealed to a higher court, do you think a whole new trial, like the first one, is conducted?

So you know about the sham too.
 
So you know about the sham too.
What sham? Are all court decisions you disagree with a sham? You sound like a convict.

Now, you can disagree with the decision, but the rules of the court were followed. No sham.

Look, states conduct civil hearings all the time on ballot eligibility issues. The most common are residency and procedural stuff like the number of signatures required to run. They do this without criminal trials (and believe it, lying when making an official, sworn statement on official government documents is absolutely a crime, but in residency this is rarely criminally prosecuted). Morons will say they live in a district when they don't. Carpetbagging, if you will. Or they have a bunch of bullshit signatures of the number required. The 14th Amendment clause appears on its face to be self-executing, there is no requirement for criminal conviction. Lee and Davis were never criminally convicted of being traitors....yet Congress for whatever reason saw fit to posthumously exempt them from the 14th in the 1970s, so obviously those two were barred from office.

The Constitution says the states get to make the rules on their elections, and the manner in which electors are chosen. This is not up for debate.

This is why SCOTUS is going to have to bullshit about the 14th to overturn this. The due process claim is bullshit, the 14th obviously doesn't require criminal conviction, and God help us if they say states cannot conduct routine hearings in ballot eligibility.

And honestly, I think they should bullshit it. This court is already roundly seen to be full of shit, might as well overturn this and keep the peace, they have zero credibility to lose.
 
What sham? Are all court decisions you disagree with a sham? You sound like a convict.

Now, you can disagree with the decision, but the rules of the court were followed. No sham.

Look, states conduct civil hearings all the time on ballot eligibility issues. The most common are residency and procedural stuff like the number of signatures required to run. They do this without criminal trials (and believe it, lying when making an official, sworn statement on official government documents is absolutely a crime, but in residency this is rarely criminally prosecuted). Morons will say they live in a district when they don't. Carpetbagging, if you will. Or they have a bunch of bullshit signatures of the number required. The 14th Amendment clause appears on its face to be self-executing, there is no requirement for criminal conviction. Lee and Davis were never criminally convicted of being traitors....yet Congress for whatever reason saw fit to posthumously exempt them from the 14th in the 1970s, so obviously those two were barred from office.

The Constitution says the states get to make the rules on their elections, and the manner in which electors are chosen. This is not up for debate.

This is why SCOTUS is going to have to bullshit about the 14th to overturn this. The due process claim is bullshit, the 14th obviously doesn't require criminal conviction, and God help us if they say states cannot conduct routine hearings in ballot eligibility.

And honestly, I think they should bullshit it. This court is already roundly seen to be full of shit, might as well overturn this and keep the peace, they have zero credibility to lose.

In the grand scheme, it won't matter regardless. No Republican, presidential candidate, is going to win Colorado anyway. The only reason these Trump-haters did that, is in hope more states would follow, effectively ruining any chance Trump has.

In other words...Cheat.
 
In the grand scheme, it won't matter regardless. No Republican, presidential candidate, is going to win Colorado anyway. The only reason these Trump-haters did that, is in hope more states would follow, effectively ruining any chance Trump has.

In other words...Cheat.
Following the Constitution is now cheating to conservatives.
 
Following the Constitution is now cheating to conservatives.
You're a dumbass, dumbass. 🙄

Former White House lawyer Ty Cobb predicted Tuesday that the U.S. Supreme Court could rule “9-0” in favor of former President Trump in a potential appeal of Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling that would kick Trump off the state’s ballot.

“I think this case will be handled quickly. I think it could be 9-0 in the Supreme Court for Trump,” Cobb said in an interview on CNN, adding later, “I do believe it could be 9-0, because I think the law is clear.”
 
You're a lying idiot. Were there any due process or necessity of conviction when this amendment was inserted into the Constitution? The answer is NO. Could Jefferson Davis have run for and been elected after Lincoln's presidency? The answer is NO
Trump challenging election results and Jeff Davis being the president of CSA are wildly different scenarios
 
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You're a lying idiot. Were there any due process or necessity of conviction when this amendment was inserted into the Constitution? The answer is NO. Could Jefferson Davis have run for and been elected after Lincoln's presidency? The answer is NO
Moron. Jefferson Davis was stripped of his citizenship. It waa actually restored in 1978 by Jimmy Carter.
 
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Trump engaging in an insurrection and Jeff Davis being the president of CSA and engaging in an insurrection are wildly different scenarios
They are NOT. Both engaged in an insurrection. Both are Constitutionally disqualified by the 14th amendment section 3.
 
They are NOT. Both engaged in an insurrection. Both are Constitutionally disqualified by the 14th amendment section 3.

You are a dumbass and you are wrong. Davis was a president of the Confederate States of America and the 14th Amendment was to keep Confederate rebels from ever holding office of the USA.

You're just an ignorant, bleating, dumbass obeying your overlords. Stop being a bleater and a dumbass. Stop believing the America-haters (Communists/Marxists/Socialists) who try to weaponize the Constitution when they have an agenda and ignore the Constitution when it doesn't fit their agenda.

You're setting your self up for bleater tears in the next election. Pedo-Joe is scum and The People are waking up to it.
 
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You're a lying idiot. Were there any due process or necessity of conviction when this amendment was inserted into the Constitution? The answer is NO. Could Jefferson Davis have run for and been elected after Lincoln's presidency? The answer is NO
so you are trying to suggest that Jefferson Davis who led the southern states in a bloody civil war, is the same as Trump telling people to have a peaceful protest are one and the same? Good lord you never cease to amaze me with your hatred of Trump. I feel sorry for you
 
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so you are trying to suggest that Jefferson Davis who led the southern states in a bloody civil war, is the same as Trump telling people to have a peaceful protest are one and the same? Good lord you never cease to amaze me with your hatred of Trump. I feel sorry for you
It's what that guy Rachel Maddow told him
 
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so you are trying to suggest that Jefferson Davis who led the southern states in a bloody civil war, is the same as Trump telling people to have a peaceful protest are one and the same? Good lord you never cease to amaze me with your hatred of Trump. I feel sorry for you
You're not only an idiot, but a lying idiot. We all saw an insurrection incited by your orange jesus and an attempt to illegally overturn a free and fair election. We saw your orange jesus sit and watch the insurrection for 3 hours without him lifting a finger. And now we are watching you same idiots support and defend his attempts to escape accountability. Look in the mirror and you will see a pathetic and ignorant shell.
 
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