Do You Agree GK4Herd?
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"You cannot go too far on the issue of socialism, either." ~ Venezuelan eating his family pet to survive
Climate change is totally a natural phenomena, is not contributed to by mankind, we can totally ignore it, and there will be no negative effects.
You cons agree with that. ^^^^
You cons agree with that. ^^^^
So bomb China/India and shut down their carbon production? Because that will reduce carbon more than green new deal.
Socialism and communism are enemies to the American ideal and they must be dealt with and rejected.
Socialism and communism are enemies to the American ideal and they must be dealt with and rejected.
______ i am herdman
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.
______FDR
______ i am herdman
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.
______FDR
"I was having too much fun going too far to realize I was going too far."
Hawkeye Pierce
Hawkeye Pierce
I blame my own country for problems created by other countries. I'm a one of a kind, Socialist Scientologist.
______extraGreedy
______extraGreedy
So, you agree with socialism and communism? Do you think FDR was equating communism with one's conservative ideals? Stalin was a communist. Castro. You agree with them? Were they forward thinkers?
More than we have now? Yes. Now pry yourself away from that fear that has you scared and whining and look at Denmark, Finland, Canada, etc.
You ok with those 40% tax rates on the low and middle class (ie broad base Scandinavia rates) or nah?
Don’t expect Wayne county dumb to read this one.
God Damn! figure out what socialism is before entering the debate you stupid idiot.
Hell yes he is. The old bastard is retired. He doesn't give a damn what everyone else gets taxed. It will only further ensure he gets a free ride.
With "free" education through college, healthcare, 32 weeks paid parental leave, and 5 weeks education. You bet.
You and Castro only pay them $0.50 per hour and a bag of beans per week. You commies are going to die in the next civil war. You have no chance of defeating us rednecks.
At least you’ll admit it.
Everyone wants those benefits but thinks you get them through “taxing the rich” only. Everyone in Scandinavia pays a high tax rate, not just the rich.
So, you're also good with no minimum wage and people being paid commensorate with their value to the workforce?
Yep, I'm not too worried about minimum wage when 91% of workers are represented by collective bargaining.
There were rednecks on both sides. That batshit crazy cortez women would be the folks like greed's leader.
Sorry for the the late response. There’s about an hour window to respond on subject before the thread devolves and I missed the window.
To answer your question, assuming you remember what this thread is about, I believe the problem with the climate debate is that as the politics of our country gets driven to the fringes on both sides, the politics of climate change gets driven to the fringes as well. No longer can we have a rational discussion. The extremes of one side believes that the movement is an attempt destroy our way of life and usher us back to the stone ages and the extremes of the other believes that the the world is ending next week. The only things that get paraded by either side are the ridiculous notions of both and the absurdities are being held up as consensus view.
I believe we need to make changes and we are. Renewables are the fastest growing energy source in the world. Some real progress is being made. It isn’t enough, but where the fringe politics obscures the issue is the belief that we must totally destroy the world economy to achieve it. That’s hogwash. Are there losers in a transition from fossil fuels to renewables? Sure. Just like there were losers when our economy changed from an agricultural to industrial, and again when it changed from industrial to a service economy. But there’s winners too. It’s a transition that doesn’t have to destroy our standard of living. There are ancillary benefits to changing as well. We have the ability to marginalize the power of middle eastern countries and remove our need to be there where we cause resentment with our protection of self interest.
Here’s the deal. This week news broke that the confidence level that man is responsible for heating our earth reached a five sigma level.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...cent-chance-humans-are-causing-climate-change
Five sigma is the gold standard in science. If you recall, the belief for the existence of the elusive Higgs Boson reached a five sigma level as well before it was discovered. The possibility that we aren’t the culprit is beyond deniability.
There’s a lot of evidence that heating the globe by 2 degrees is going to cause a lot of problems. We’ve already heated 1 degree and likely have another .5 degrees heating that’s inevitable. Although I disagree with Bernie Sanders that we can’t go too far (probably too quickly is a better way to say it), we really need to all get on the same page. We need to quit holding up the outliers in scientific studies as though they represent the entirety of scientific thought.
I say rather than running on here and posting everything we view as outlandish in order to incite the outrage of our side, we look at the body of work and be honest enough to see it for what it is. We are heating the earth. We need to change and we are. We aren’t changing quick enough. We don’t have to destroy our standard of living to fix it. The longer we wait the more dramatic the resolution.
Guess the guys that worked for you would be in the 9% club.
Let's be realistic. Bernie and Cortez want control. There might be 10% of what they are calling for that is out of care. They want control of your money and your life. Every daily aspect of it.
They would bankrupt the country and turn us into a big Cuba.The folks in power would have the money and all the nice things and would be peasants. It has very little to do with fixing the climate problem or helping the environment.
You can't pay for what they want to do and all this class warfare is nonsense and really just makes it harder on the working class.
Bernie appeals to people because he offers "free stuff" and promotes and us vs them mentality.
The bigger you make the government the more power you have and the more you make people rely on the government.
Frankly, they can shove it. Commie bastards.
They would bankrupt the country and turn us into a big Cuba.The folks in power would have the money and all the nice things and would be peasants. It has very little to do with fixing the climate problem or helping the environment.
You can't pay for what they want to do and all this class warfare is nonsense and really just makes it harder on the working class.
Bernie appeals to people because he offers "free stuff" and promotes and us vs them mentality.
The bigger you make the government the more power you have and the more you make people rely on the government.
Frankly, they can shove it. Commie bastards.
Why is nuclear never included in solutions? I don’t follow it closely but never seems to be discussed?
Because if you go to build a nuke plant you have to build a lake and when you build a lake you drive out the Indiana bat, the lizard, or the dung beetle. You can't do that.
If you want to build another reactor then the lake level must be raised because you need more water to cool. Oh, see the first paragraph above.
Chernobyl. OMG Chernobyl.
And the spent rods, OMG the spent rods. You can't even get a real straw to drink with anymore. What about a spent nuke rod?
I have no issues with nuclear. We’ve had only two issues (Chernobyl and Fukushima) and both would be correctable. I’m not sure why some people like Sanders oppose it. But scientist generally support it so it’s not really true that they don’t. Look at this Pew Research Center study...
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/07/...views/2015-07-23_aaas-members-elaboration_09/
The study shows...
*65% of AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science) support the building of more nuclear plants.
*65% of working PHD scientist support the building of nuclear plants.
*66% of all active research scientist support the building of nuclear plants.
But...
*51% of all US adults surveyed oppose it.
If you look closely you’ll find the real reason scientist strongly support it but it’s gaining little ground...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/oil-ga...sidies-for-nuclear-power-producers-1493145109
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/V-Gloves-are-off-in-fossil-fuel-fight-against-nuclear-0205171.html
https://www.axios.com/big-oils-elec...200-8ca411a9-46a3-4c5a-8f17-2704a7bc3001.html
Sensationalize much? But thanks for the classic and textbook example of exactly what I was referring to in my first post when I said that the fringe are using only the outlier examples and holding them up as representative of the whole. If interested in the truth...and I have my doubt that you are...look at the statistics in my second post. Scientist strongly support nuclear power. It’s the oil industry and their lobby that is fighting it tooth and nail.
I really don’t know what percentage of leftist oppose it but I disagree with those who do.
Let's be realistic. Bernie and Cortez want control. There might be 10% of what they are calling for that is out of care. They want control of your money and your life. Every daily aspect of it.
They would bankrupt the country and turn us into a big Cuba.The folks in power would have the money and all the nice things and would be peasants. It has very little to do with fixing the climate problem or helping the environment.
You can't pay for what they want to do and all this class warfare is nonsense and really just makes it harder on the working class.
Bernie appeals to people because he offers "free stuff" and promotes and us vs them mentality.
The bigger you make the government the more power you have and the more you make people rely on the government.
Frankly, they can shove it. Commie bastards.
_______ i am herdman
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt
They would bankrupt the country and turn us into a big Cuba.The folks in power would have the money and all the nice things and would be peasants. It has very little to do with fixing the climate problem or helping the environment.
You can't pay for what they want to do and all this class warfare is nonsense and really just makes it harder on the working class.
Bernie appeals to people because he offers "free stuff" and promotes and us vs them mentality.
The bigger you make the government the more power you have and the more you make people rely on the government.
Frankly, they can shove it. Commie bastards.
_______ i am herdman
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt
I live next to a nuke plant. that is exactly what happens when they try to expand.
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