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ECU SoS #125.... Marshall #120...

andy4theherd

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remember when ECU had a schedule "far and away" better than Marshall's? i wonder if the "committee" will review these final rankings so next year they can rank teams based on how they play and not who they play...
 
As stated many times before by multiple posters.. .it is about perception... sometimes perception is reality and sometimes perception trumps reality. It is what it is.
 
i agree and is why i was adamant about playing Illinois instead of NIU.

the worst part is if you polled 50 media "talking heads" today about Marshall and ECU i'll bet 45 of the 50 would cite ECU as having a much more difficult schedule...
 
Id agree Andy if it were a bigger name than Illinois. I wasn't in favor of playing a 4th MAC team, but I truly believe the perception is NIU is better than Illinois. If this had been a choice between Penn St and CMU, I'd say take Penn St every time. Between NIU and Illinois, I'm not concerned what conference Illinois is from, I think NIU has the better "brand" right now and it's perceived as a better win.
 
To be fair, when ECU was ranked ahead of us, their schedule was much much better than ours at the time. VT and UNC had yet to tank and it wasn't quite obvious just how bad the bottom of the AAC was.

By the time our schedules were comparable, they had lost 3 games and were out of contention so it didn't matter. Would the committee have taken their progressively weaker schedule into consideration had they kept winning? I wouldn't have held my breath, but you can't say for sure.
 
Originally posted by Gochneaur645:
To be fair, when ECU was ranked ahead of us, their schedule was much much better than ours at the time. VT and UNC had yet to tank and it wasn't quite obvious just how bad the bottom of the AAC was.
that's the thing though, everybody still has this "perception" that ECU played a tough schedule. i wish i would have just posted a blind poll about our schedules. i'll bet the majority of people that post here would still have picked ECU as having the harder one knowing VT and UNC tanked. post the poll on the main rivals board and it would easily be in favor of ECU.
 
Originally posted by Herd4ever07:
Id agree Andy if it were a bigger name than Illinois. I wasn't in favor of playing a 4th MAC team, but I truly believe the perception is NIU is better than Illinois. If this had been a choice between Penn St and CMU, I'd say take Penn St every time. Between NIU and Illinois, I'm not concerned what conference Illinois is from, I think NIU has the better "brand" right now and it's perceived as a better win.
CSU beat 2 win Colorado and was widely considered a good win.

Perception is ALL P5 TEAMS are better than and on another level than any G5.
 
Originally posted by andy4theherd:
Memphis 126.....



remember when ECU had a schedule "far and away" better than Marshall's? i wonder if the "committee" will review these final rankings so next year they can rank teams based on how they play and not who they play...
And ECU's best win was #34 South Carolina. Marshall's was #35 Louisiana Tech.
 
Originally posted by Jule Huffman is my real father:
Originally posted by andy4theherd:
Memphis 126.....



remember when ECU had a schedule "far and away" better than Marshall's? i wonder if the "committee" will review these final rankings so next year they can rank teams based on how they play and not who they play...
And ECU's best win was #34 South Carolina. Marshall's was #35 Louisiana Tech.
ECU lost to SC. their best win was #42 Virginia Tech.
 
Originally posted by andy4theherd:


Originally posted by Jule Huffman is my real father:

Originally posted by andy4theherd:
Memphis 126.....



remember when ECU had a schedule "far and away" better than Marshall's? i wonder if the "committee" will review these final rankings so next year they can rank teams based on how they play and not who they play...
And ECU's best win was #34 South Carolina. Marshall's was #35 Louisiana Tech.
ECU lost to SC. their best win was #42 Virginia Tech.
My bad. Confused them with UNC.
 
Originally posted by Jule Huffman is my real father:

While we're at it, Boise's best win is #53 Utah State.
yup. when you get right down to it there really is a big question as to weather a two loss Boise team should have been chosen over a 1 loss Marshall team. it wasn't even debated...... there is a really good chance that we finish the season ranked ahead of them in Sagarin even if they beat Arizona. they are currently 39 to our 23......
 
CSU was recognized for beating 2 p5 teams. Had true my beat 7 win BC, I don't think any credence would have been given to beating Colorado. Adding Colorado was simply piggy backing off of BC (which had some extra weight with their win over USC).
 
I say we go old school (like 1930's old school) and declare ourselves the G5 National Champion.

Seriously, who else could stake a claim?
 
I hope you realize the Sagarin rankings aren't the actually rankings CFB uses... Like it or not, anything outside of CFB poll doesn't matter.
 
I have to believe the number of screen names on this board has tripled in the last three months. I expect most Herd Nation main board discourse in the future to closely resemble The Woodshed - a bunch of WVU fans pretending to be Marshall fans and self-trolling.
 
Originally posted by toohandsome:
I hope you realize the Sagarin rankings aren't the actually rankings CFB uses... Like it or not, anything outside of CFB poll doesn't matter.
No the committee makes up their own rules and changes them from week to week to suit their own agenda. The committee is a joke.
 
Yep. Phantom is correct.


A committed by the powerful, for the powerful. It's how OSU got in over TCU & Baylor.
 
Strength of schedule is flawed. It is weighted by conference and name value.It is as biased as the committee itself.
 
Originally posted by andy4theherd:

Originally posted by Gochneaur645:
To be fair, when ECU was ranked ahead of us, their schedule was much much better than ours at the time. VT and UNC had yet to tank and it wasn't quite obvious just how bad the bottom of the AAC was.
that's the thing though, everybody still has this "perception" that ECU played a tough schedule. i wish i would have just posted a blind poll about our schedules. i'll bet the majority of people that post here would still have picked ECU as having the harder one knowing VT and UNC tanked. post the poll on the main rivals board and it would easily be in favor of ECU.
Who has that perception though? I haven't heard anybody talk about ECU's schedule since November 1st because it hasn't been relevant.

Most everybody is aware that their 3 P5 teams are way below average this year. They might be surprised that ECU's schedule is very slightly worse than ours (even though it will likely be better than ours after Florida), but I doubt too many people think they had a super tough schedule.
 
Originally posted by toohandsome:
SOS is based on stats not opinion..
I think you mean that Sagarin (and other) SoS rankings are based on stats. The committee's SoS rankings are based on the committee's own rankings...
 
Bbneutral, by more fans and writers nationally. One thing is for certain, ESPN and the committee have won when it comes to their campaign for p5's. Even some Marshall fans have fallen for it. Illinois has no name brand and would have delivered nothing for us IMO. If they are considered so great, why weren't they the ones on the cusp of the top 25. Some people have fallen for exactly what the playoff committee wanted. Their job for the year is done and we didn't need to try to persuade them, blowing out ECU and beating Maryland last year didn't mean anything to them this year. A blowout over NIU or Illinois won't mean anything to them next year either, but the AP and coaches still get to vote this year and in terms of the cute catch phrases "perception" and "brand", NIU's is much bigger right now IMO than Illinois. This isn't refusing a shot at Michigan to play Eastern Michigan, Illinois delivers nothing for perception regardless of their conference. To me their perception is a bottom feeder, even though they were slightly higher than that this year. IMO Illinois is the Wake Forest, Kentucky, or Kansas of the Big 10 in terms of perception. They did manage to squeak into a bowl, but they need to do it a few more times before they are perceived as an average Big 10 team. I wish we had better bowl choices too, but I think nationally NIU will be viewed as a better win than Illinois and at this point the 12 person p5 committee doesn't matter. Up in our little corner of the country here I've talked to many that didn't even know Illinois was "good enough" to win 6 games this year, same ones were impressed we were able to handle a "good" NIU team so easily.
 
The cfb poll doesn't exist after December. They have no final ranking after bowl games. There should be no cfb poll anyway.
 
Originally posted by Let's Argue:

Am I the only one that realizes the season is not over?
It was noted in the other thread (Sagarin) that these rankings are through Dec 29 and will change. Bottom line, your Pirates will have played 4 P5 schools and have a schedule strength very close to ours with 0 P5's. This is the problem with allowing a "committee" of biased humans to make the selections. The BCS ranking system was much better by incorporating human and computer polls.
 
South Carolina,Va Tech,UNC,Cincy,and UCF are far better than anything on Marshalls schedule this year.This is why the rating services are not taken seriously 8n colkege football.The CFP understands this and acted accordingly.
 
I'll give you USC on your list & perhaps UCF...though NIU might be as good as UCF. This season UC, VT & UNC were at the same level as the top of the CUSA, no better.
 
Originally posted by portico:
South Carolina,Va Tech,UNC,Cincy,and UCF are far better than anything on Marshalls schedule this year.This is why the rating services are not taken seriously 8n colkege football.The CFP understands this and acted accordingly.
Lol.

La Tech is better than all of those teams. NIU is better than most. Cincy and UCF would lose to Rice and WKU more often than not and would be about equal with UAB.

You're delusional if you think those AAC teams, who got blasted by horrible ACC teams in bowl games, are anything better than average.
 
Gochn,no one who is in the know believes anything that you just posted is true.The AAC has, and will continue to have schools and brands that will always more more weight than what got left behind in Conf USA.They have a superior tv contract, bowl schedule and more money because the schools,except for Tulane, have proven over many years that they are good programs.Ask the CFP who they believed to be stronger when ECU was ranked over a no loss Marshall team.

Ma4shall should do everything they can to get out of Conf USA.Posting about what Conf USA team can beat one of the top AAC teams,or a school like Unc is pointless,because no one is buying that argument.
 
Originally posted by portico:
Gochn,no one who is in the know believes anything that you just posted is true.The AAC has, and will continue to have schools and brands that will always more more weight than what got left behind in Conf USA.They have a superior tv contract, bowl schedule and more money because the schools,except for Tulane, have proven over many years that they are good programs.Ask the CFP who they believed to be stronger when ECU was ranked over a no loss Marshall team.

Ma4shall should do everything they can to get out of Conf USA.Posting about what Conf USA team can beat one of the top AAC teams,or a school like Unc is pointless,because no one is buying that argument.
There's nothing more annoying than grammar nazis or Houston fans on message boards, but c'mon man, I can barely understand what you're trying to say.

Anyways, I stopped reading after you brought up brands and TV as a retort to my point on our discussion of who had better teams in 2014.

I could easily tear down all of your arguments but you're definitely not worth the time.
 
Originally posted by Herd4ever07:
Bbneutral, by more fans and writers nationally. One thing is for certain, ESPN and the committee have won when it comes to their campaign for p5's. Even some Marshall fans have fallen for it. Illinois has no name brand and would have delivered nothing for us IMO.
Marshall fans have not fallen for the ESPN P5 propaganda. In fact most Marshall fans will tell you there are many Go5 schools that are much better than a lot of P5 schools. The problem isnt what we believe. The problem is how do we improve our standing in perception from the national media and those who make the rules. If they say they need to see us play P5 schools before we get an access bowl spot, then that's what we need to do. You can't say we are not going to play P5 schools because a Go5 school might be better. We dont make the rules. They do. You cant say screw ESPN, the playoff committee and everyone else that complains about us having a perceived weak schedule because you cant win.
 
Originally posted by herd4life5 (HN):
Colorado was not considered a good win, at all. Don't be stupid

Anytime CSU was brought up in the discussion by the national punditry, it was always mentioned that they had beaten "Two P5 teams." Very rarely was it ever mentioned that one of them was a Colorado team that would struggle in the Sun Belt this year.
 
National media wasn't a major issue this year. ESPN and the committee were. The media had is ranked long before the committee. Which is why IMO beating an Illinois team would have meant less with voters who still have a job to do this year than beating NIU did. Remember the voters that still matter had NIU on the cusp of the top 25, with Illinois receiving nothing.
 
Originally posted by portico:
Gochn,no one who is in the know believes anything that you just posted is true.The AAC has, and will continue to have schools and brands that will always more more weight than what got left behind in Conf USA.They have a superior tv contract, bowl schedule and more money because the schools,except for Tulane, have proven over many years that they are good programs.Ask the CFP who they believed to be stronger when ECU was ranked over a no loss Marshall team.

Ma4shall should do everything they can to get out of Conf USA.Posting about what Conf USA team can beat one of the top AAC teams,or a school like Unc is pointless,because no one is buying that argument.
Based on what I watched against Florida, we would have beaten your sorry ass team by 50 this year to follow up on the 38, note I do not count your last TD that your 1st team scored against our 3rd team in that game, we beat you guys by last year. Face the facts, we are now a better FB program than you guys by a large distance.
 
Originally posted by BleedsGreen33:

Originally posted by Herd4ever07:
Id agree Andy if it were a bigger name than Illinois. I wasn't in favor of playing a 4th MAC team, but I truly believe the perception is NIU is better than Illinois. If this had been a choice between Penn St and CMU, I'd say take Penn St every time. Between NIU and Illinois, I'm not concerned what conference Illinois is from, I think NIU has the better "brand" right now and it's perceived as a better win.
CSU beat 2 win Colorado and was widely considered a good win.

Perception is ALL P5 TEAMS are better than and on another level than any G5.
Exactly. Sad to say, but true.
 
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