ESPN Writer trashing Marshall coach
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Probably has a connection to Morgantown Institue of Furniture Arson. Honestly what else have they got to do? They refuse to play, so... cowards throw names.
I'm am so proud of Coach Wags and the team, they fought hard. May the NCAA grant them a chance into the CWS.
I'm am so proud of Coach Wags and the team, they fought hard. May the NCAA grant them a chance into the CWS.
Wow!! What a way for the self proclaimed "world wide leader" to welcome a CUSA school back into their "family" of broadcast partners, if you will!! Hope this dip stick doesn't have any input/say concerning college football when it comes time for one or more of our games being slated for an ESPN telecast.
I would almost like to see the whole collegiate sports scene blow up and get vastly scaled down due to the non-ending pervasive greed that currently abounds, just to see a resulting crash and burn, deep down-sizing in the sports media industry, especially at the ESPN family of networks. Would love to see about 80-85% of those smarmy, smug, arrogant know-it-all sports media "personalities" and pundits booted out on the street into the real world. Imagine some of them having to try and make it in legitimate fields of employment having to rely on all their "talent" and "knowledge"!!!
One of the players asked the writer if he ever played the sport and he tweeted, "oh, there we go again with that old argument". Seems like a legit question to me and the answer was obviously no. I sent an email to ESPN asking them when it became a journalist's job to send recruits tweets and also when it became acceptable for journalists to argue with college players on Twitter and didn't they learn anything from Keith Olbermann. I doubt I hear anything back.
Completely different analogy. A better one would be you've never swam but you're going to teach someone how to swim. Kind of hard to teach something you don't know how to do.
It's amazing what Waggs and these boys accomplished with so little support. I am very proud of them. I went to one of the ODU games in Charleston. Quit fvcking around and build them the stadium they deserve. It has become an embarassment! If anyone thinks that's not Marshall's No. 1 athletic priority, they're brain dead.
If he's expressing concern, that's one thing but if he's actively trying to steer away recruits, the only option is to start writing ESPN's sponsors.
The irony is that he has a tweet saying that Strasburg was handled perfectly in college by his coach. So if Strasburg was handled perfectly and still ended up having Tommy John surgery, doesn't it indicate that the way a guy pitches and his body type is much more important than pitch count?
I grew up during what many consider the heyday of baseball, the 70s and early 80s, and every team had a four man rotation and starters almost always pitched deep into a game. There were starters that had more complete games in a season than many guys now will have in their career. 300+ innings a year was commonplace.
Now, given that science, training, and treatment have improved, why do pitchers seem like they are so much more fragile now?
I grew up during what many consider the heyday of baseball, the 70s and early 80s, and every team had a four man rotation and starters almost always pitched deep into a game. There were starters that had more complete games in a season than many guys now will have in their career. 300+ innings a year was commonplace.
Now, given that science, training, and treatment have improved, why do pitchers seem like they are so much more fragile now?
Today he's been trashing other teams for the same thing such as UConn and Rice...but if all these coaches are doing it, you know the guys that get paid to do this for a living, then maybe they're actually right and he's wrong...oh, perish the thought that an ESPN writer might be wrong.
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All the science says he's probably right. I had a 12 year old baseball player with elbow pain. He's probably looking at Tommy John surgery in the next couple years. Something is very wrong with that
That's from overuse or improper mechanics, or both. These pitchers in college don't suffer from overuse...all year the starters pitch one game per week. The only time they pitch more than that is tournament time then they may throw 11 or 12 innings in a five day period. That's not going to destroy their arms. Also, improper conditioning causes a lot of problems in young pitchers, they get tired and throw with just their arm and no help from tired legs. College pitchers have proper conditioning. I agree coaches of young players need to be careful with their pitchers, especially the really good ones because it's so tempting to pitch them too often. But my whole problem with the sports writer's opinion is that most college coaches aren't going to deliberately damage arms. Waggoner preaches arm care constantly and in his ten years as ahead coach, he's never ruined an arm.
No shit it's from overuse. I never said it wasn't. You don't think that pitch all year round as a 10-15 year old doesn't have an effect when you're 18-21? I see it every day coaches throwing kids to much can and does affect them later one. Will throwing another 50 pitches after throwing 115 hurt a collegiate pitcher? Probably not. I agree with you on writer.
I want to throw my 2 Cent$ in.
I attended the CUSA Baseball Tournament, played on the campus of So. Mississippi. After Marshall's Heart Breaking, 3-2 defeat to Southern Miss....I spoke to all the coaches and several players and told each how impressive they played during the tournament and what a "Class Act" by the Coaching Staff to throw only guys that are graduating SENIORS in The Herd's elimination contest, Saturday afternoon.
"A great way for our guys to end their Marshall careers." Waggs & pitching coach, Newman are to be commended for their "classy way" of saying---- THANKS to EACH Senior Pitcher for "giving their best" to make HERD baseball respectable. When each Marshall pitcher "was taken out of the game, ending their regular season's playing careers at Marshall"-----the fans from So Miss (1500--2000 +) and other CUSA schools----gave them standing ovations. Classy Act by All.
There is no way some non-informed scribe from ESPN is going to diminish the special HERD moments that were witnessed & respected by a few thousands fans this week!"
Each PITCHER was on a "pitch count" to make sure no one hurt their arms. I coach high school baseball and coaches know their player (pitchers) better than any reporter. Winners want the ball in situations like Saturday....thus was the case for Marshall's departing Seniors.
I have never be more proud to be a Marshall graduate who loves HERD BASEBALL---to witness what took place this week in Hattiesburg. Several Eagle supporter spoke to me as I departed the ballpark---- saying the same thing---"Marshall has a Hell of a ball club." Since all of Marshall's games (other than Saturday) was the last contest of the evening sessions-----starting later than the original game time....each ended near the mid-night hour. "Yes---The Chicken Runs at Midnight!" For those of you that are not aware of the story about Coach Donnally's sister...go to YouTube and enter The Chicken Runs at Midnight.
I doubt any college baseball coaches would ever chose to "burn a kid's arm out" that could be drafted in a few weeks. Such is the case with Waggs & Newman. Speaking of Coach Newman....he spoke to me (with glazed eyes) and he kept repeating...."our pitchers gave their all...our pitchers gave their all.---our kids gave their all." His eyes were tearing up---- and for those of you that---are or have ever--- coached on the high school or college level----you hurt when your players have to experience defeat after they played their asses off representing their school or university.
Losing is "part of the learning process"---we all face set backs in our lives. Winning is fun---but life does not guarantee us Victory all the time.
I am back in Charlotte (Sunday night) and very tired after driving over 22 hours this week (Tuesday afternoon---Sunday around 5:00 PM) to "help support The HERD--Baseball." The last thing I wanted to read was a story by any reporter dissing one of our OUR COACHES for making the RIGHT CHOICES---- to place Marshall in a position to try to ....Win a CUSA title.
I can get some much-needed rest now because I received a text message from Waggs thanking me for driving all the way to Hattiesburg to support OUR baseball Team. I bet I am NOT the only one he sent messages to!
We Are>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MARSHALL BASEBALL.
***Hopefully, our Powers to Be--- can get serious and build a Field of Dreams for HERD BASEBALL.
Good Night,
HerdZilla22 (G Sweeney in Charlotte)....eager to learn if MARSHALL receives an At Large bid to "any" Baseball Regional. Hopefully, Waggs gets a phone call around Noon, Monday!
I attended the CUSA Baseball Tournament, played on the campus of So. Mississippi. After Marshall's Heart Breaking, 3-2 defeat to Southern Miss....I spoke to all the coaches and several players and told each how impressive they played during the tournament and what a "Class Act" by the Coaching Staff to throw only guys that are graduating SENIORS in The Herd's elimination contest, Saturday afternoon.
"A great way for our guys to end their Marshall careers." Waggs & pitching coach, Newman are to be commended for their "classy way" of saying---- THANKS to EACH Senior Pitcher for "giving their best" to make HERD baseball respectable. When each Marshall pitcher "was taken out of the game, ending their regular season's playing careers at Marshall"-----the fans from So Miss (1500--2000 +) and other CUSA schools----gave them standing ovations. Classy Act by All.
There is no way some non-informed scribe from ESPN is going to diminish the special HERD moments that were witnessed & respected by a few thousands fans this week!"
Each PITCHER was on a "pitch count" to make sure no one hurt their arms. I coach high school baseball and coaches know their player (pitchers) better than any reporter. Winners want the ball in situations like Saturday....thus was the case for Marshall's departing Seniors.
I have never be more proud to be a Marshall graduate who loves HERD BASEBALL---to witness what took place this week in Hattiesburg. Several Eagle supporter spoke to me as I departed the ballpark---- saying the same thing---"Marshall has a Hell of a ball club." Since all of Marshall's games (other than Saturday) was the last contest of the evening sessions-----starting later than the original game time....each ended near the mid-night hour. "Yes---The Chicken Runs at Midnight!" For those of you that are not aware of the story about Coach Donnally's sister...go to YouTube and enter The Chicken Runs at Midnight.
I doubt any college baseball coaches would ever chose to "burn a kid's arm out" that could be drafted in a few weeks. Such is the case with Waggs & Newman. Speaking of Coach Newman....he spoke to me (with glazed eyes) and he kept repeating...."our pitchers gave their all...our pitchers gave their all.---our kids gave their all." His eyes were tearing up---- and for those of you that---are or have ever--- coached on the high school or college level----you hurt when your players have to experience defeat after they played their asses off representing their school or university.
Losing is "part of the learning process"---we all face set backs in our lives. Winning is fun---but life does not guarantee us Victory all the time.
I am back in Charlotte (Sunday night) and very tired after driving over 22 hours this week (Tuesday afternoon---Sunday around 5:00 PM) to "help support The HERD--Baseball." The last thing I wanted to read was a story by any reporter dissing one of our OUR COACHES for making the RIGHT CHOICES---- to place Marshall in a position to try to ....Win a CUSA title.
I can get some much-needed rest now because I received a text message from Waggs thanking me for driving all the way to Hattiesburg to support OUR baseball Team. I bet I am NOT the only one he sent messages to!
We Are>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MARSHALL BASEBALL.
***Hopefully, our Powers to Be--- can get serious and build a Field of Dreams for HERD BASEBALL.
Good Night,
HerdZilla22 (G Sweeney in Charlotte)....eager to learn if MARSHALL receives an At Large bid to "any" Baseball Regional. Hopefully, Waggs gets a phone call around Noon, Monday!
Young pitchers throw too much junk and put too much stress on their joints. They should only allow kids under 15 to throw fastballs and have them work on location instead of trying to learn 6 different pitches that the coach doesn't even know how to properly teach anyway.
Clearly, the difference between what Boster did Wed/Sun and what year-round baseball is doing to young arms is apples and oranges. A 12 year-old with elbow pain is reprehensible - but the wages for specialization and no off-season.
As for science - there is not a shred of evidence that what Boster did this week is damaging. As many former pitchers (and certain pitching coaches) have lamented for years, pitchers need to throw more on the side, just at a reduced exertion level (see Leo Mazzone's approach as pitching coach with the Braves in the 1990s). Here is one expert opinion, too - one of (if not THE) leading orthopedic expert on Tommy John surgery said this about short-rest/quick-turnaround (like what Boster did Wed./Sat. - 200+ pitches):
THE RUSE ABOUT RUINING A PROSPECTS PITCHING ARM IN COLLEGE
As you guys know, this is the time of year when a pitcher’s number of throws gets more and more scrutinized than ever. Some MLB prospect pundits like to center their ire on the college game and say that the coaches wear out their pitchers arms and ruin their professional careers. As a reminder to this being so much of a falsity, you StitchHeads might recall that I went to a pitching symposium at USC back in March where former major leaguer Dr. Tom House was joined by orthopedic surgeon Dr. Seth Gamradt, an expert on Tommy John surgeries, to discuss pitching and how it affects young arms and the future of the player.
After the symposium was over, I cornered Dr. Gamradt and asked him to give his opinion on all the brush-up we always hear come Regionals and Super Regionals time:
Does using a college pitcher on short rest twice in a weekend jeopardize his career in any way?
Dr. Gamradt’s answer:
“I doubt it. I strongly doubt it. I don’t think one episode where a pitcher comes back on short rest to pitch again in a championship is a deal-breaker for any career hopes. But the coaches have to be smart. They have to know the background and have the recovery methods for each player. And you also have to have realistic expectations, these kids are elite athletes and get proper training and as long as they’re not doing it all the time it’s no problem. Obviously, if there is a history of arm trouble or if the kid is dealing with pain then you don’t do that. But a healthy, well-conditioned college pitcher should have no long term problems involved in a situation like that.”
Olen I never said what happened this week would ruin his career or anything else. My whole point is like has been stated kids throw to much in their youth and that can have ramifications throughout their career. One outing won't mess you up its the total number of pitches that get you
Has anyone figured out what this means yet?
