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FBI Finds No Coordination in January 6

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WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

 
They have known this since day 1. The truth is it will not matter how wrong the official narrative is proven wrong. The make crap up , repeat it everyday until people believe it to be true. Meanwhile Antifa is busy attacking Christians having prayer meetings and the police stand down
 
They have known this since day 1. The truth is it will not matter how wrong the official narrative is proven wrong. The make crap up , repeat it everyday until people believe it to be true. Meanwhile Antifa is busy attacking Christians having prayer meetings and the police stand down
"They make crap up and repeat it every day..........". You are talking about President Trump!
 
You were not. You were assured your orange Jesus incited the insurrection.
Hmmm fbi says there was no insurrection just rioting

“But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.”
 
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"They make crap up and repeat it every day..........". You are talking about President Trump!

Yes, they make things up about Trump every day... Glad you finally swerved into something correct for a change...

On a related note, they've tried to make us believe there is no mental deterioration with Biden too...
 
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Yes, they make things up about Trump every day... Glad you finally swerved into something correct for a change...

On a related note, they've tried to make us believe there is no mental deterioration with Biden too...
He is still President! If Trump can survive 4 years with a pronounced personality disoder, Biden can survive with his fluency issues.
 
What medical background do you have making you such an expert!
They shelter him. He struggles to go off script. They hand pick questions for him. They hide him. Today the have picked the reporters and he note cards with their names and called them out.
 
They shelter him. He struggles to go off script. They hand pick questions for him. They hide him. Today the have picked the reporters and he note cards with their names and called them out.
…and then they reward him with ice cream.
 
What medical background do you have making you such an expert!

What medical background do you have to be able to say that he doesn't have cognitive decline that isn't necessarily age related?
 
What medical background do you have to be able to say that he doesn't have cognitive decline that isn't necessarily age related?
I'm certain more than you have. Only a medical evaluation can make such a diagnosis of Dementia. My comments are based on behavioral observations that are verifiable.
 
What medical background do you have making you such an expert!

Again the UK press doing the jobs the US media won't do...


"Dr Aseem Malhotra, an NHS consultant and expert in evidence-based medicine, said: 'Certainly there's a link [between the conditions and cognitive decline].

'But just as a doctor observing him, given his medical history and age, I'm worried about early onset dementia.

'I would be worried about anyone exhibiting issues with recall and memory at Joe Biden's age.'

And Dr Amit Bajaj, an associate professor in speech science Emerson University in Boston Massachusetts, agreed that the reasons behind Mr Biden's increasing number of gaffes might be because of declining cognitive health in old age."
 
I'm certain more than you have. Only a medical evaluation can make such a diagnosis of Dementia. My comments are based on behavioral observations that are verifiable.

I can get a pretty good idea when someone is drunk by behavioral observations without verifying the BAC level. Likewise I can get a pretty good idea someone is experiencing cognitive decline by behavioral observations from their past and present conditions.

If you are unable to do either then perhaps you are the one that needs to have a medical evaluation.
 
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If Trump can survive 4 years with a pronounced personality disoder

Only a medical evaluation can make such a diagnosis of Dementia.

Did you perform a medical evaluation that allowed you to determine that Donald Trump has a pronounced personality disorder?

Just trying to reconcile in my mind how you can make that diagnosis but Joe Biden's cognitive decline can't be diagnosed...
 
Again the UK press doing the jobs the US media won't do...


"Dr Aseem Malhotra, an NHS consultant and expert in evidence-based medicine, said: 'Certainly there's a link [between the conditions and cognitive decline].

'But just as a doctor observing him, given his medical history and age, I'm worried about early onset dementia.

'I would be worried about anyone exhibiting issues with recall and memory at Joe Biden's age.'

And Dr Amit Bajaj, an associate professor in speech science Emerson University in Boston Massachusetts, agreed that the reasons behind Mr Biden's increasing number of gaffes might be because of declining cognitive health in old age."
Both are way out of line! Practicing physicians and psychologists cannot make these comments without the benefit of a professional evaluation. In that context, they would not share the information with anyone. You give credence to a celebrity in the UK that is criticized for his fad diet and total disdain for using statin drugs in treating heart disease. He is a charlatan. The other guy is a speech teacher who has no expertise in diagnosing dementia. You gotta do better than this..
 
Practicing physicians and psychologists cannot make these comments without the benefit of a professional evaluation.

I've always said this very thing but you somehow believe you can do the very thing you are condemning by proclaiming Trump has a pronounced personality disorder???

It also should be "shouldn't" as they can because they did.

You gotta do better than this..

See above. You need to do better. You can't have it both ways.
 
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Did you perform a medical evaluation that allowed you to determine that Donald Trump has a pronounced personality disorder?

Just trying to reconcile in my mind how you can make that diagnosis but Joe Biden's cognitive decline can't be diagnosed...
did not need to! His own niece and many other psychologist/psychiatrist have stated his behavior demonstrated a "narcissistic personality disorder". If you read the symptoms listed is the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual for this disodorder, even you would agree. The only behavior Biden exhibits is a fluency problem which he has demonstrated his entire public life.
 
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His own niece

Great source. Surely you can do better than this...

Both are way out of line! Practicing physicians and psychologists cannot make these comments without the benefit of a professional evaluation.

Were the ones you mentioned below "way out of line" too???

other psychologist/psychiatrist have stated his behavior demonstrated a "narcissistic personality disorder"

symptoms listed is the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual for this disodorder

Are you familiar with the symptoms for dementia and cognitive decline, as well as the risk factors for them?

Did you arrive at your Trump diagnosis from this article since his niece was referenced in it too?


Let's look at some quotes from this article:

"Many of the long-standing claims made by Dr Zinner and Dr Lee about the president’s mental health have drawn judgment from some in the psychiatric establishment."

"The American Psychiatric Association states it is unethical for members to speculate about the mental health of a public figure they have not personally examined, under the Goldwater rule."

"However, Dr Zinner claims that the rule does not apply to the president, and he told Dr Lee that “the basic guidelines for the ethical canons says that a psychiatrist’s responsibility, ‘first and foremost,’ is to his or her patients and to society and to his colleagues and himself, in that order. It does not include a public figure.”"

I know what my cognitive ability thinks about your obvious hypocrisy...
 
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Hmmm fbi says there was no insurrection just rioting

“But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.”
An insurrection does not require organization.
 
An insurrection does not require organization.

Hmmm, that sounds more like a riot that you are referring to.... Let's look at the definitions of the two words. One refers to an organized action while the other refers to an uncontrolled or spontaneous action.

The key word in the following definition of insurrection is ORGANIZED...


insurrection
noun [ C or U ]

US

/ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ UK

/ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/

an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence:

Now let's look at the definition of riot:


riot
noun

US

/ˈraɪ.ət/ UK

/ˈraɪ.ət/

C1 [ C ]
an occasion when a large number of people behave in a noisy, violent, and uncontrolled way in public, often as a protest:


"A riot is a relatively spontaneous outburst of violence by a large group of people."
 
Not wrong! But you keep telling yourself it is, if it makes you feel better. I feel fine he is out of office.
Let it go precious. He is no longer your President, but don't sleep on a Trump-DeSantis ticket.

Oh the horror! Better go ahead and get some more bullshit lies and conspiracy theories ready (which I'm sure your base of idiots and liars do).
 
The following is a case law defining Insurrection:

Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.” https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/insurrection/

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a violent uprising against an authority or government. https://www.google.com/search?q=ins...2l4j69i60l2.3338j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection
 
You mean the idiot LARPers weren’t a threat to overthrow the government?

It’s amazing more people didn’t die that day (could have easily seen more shots fired). Capital police or somebody deserves credit there wasn’t more dead bodies. Those people that rioted should be charged/punished.

But the notion that they were going to over throw the government is nuts.

Aside: No one was really worried about an “insurrection.” Don’t tell me what you think - show me what you do with your money :


 
The following is a case law defining Insurrection:

Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.” https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/insurrection/

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a violent uprising against an authority or government. https://www.google.com/search?q=ins...2l4j69i60l2.3338j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection
Uprising by a group or movement implies some sort of organization
 
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Great source. Surely you can do better than this...



Were the ones you mentioned below "way out of line" too???





Are you familiar with the symptoms for dementia and cognitive decline, as well as the risk factors for them?

Did you arrive at your Trump diagnosis from this article since his niece was referenced in it too?


Let's look at some quotes from this article:

"Many of the long-standing claims made by Dr Zinner and Dr Lee about the president’s mental health have drawn judgment from some in the psychiatric establishment."

"The American Psychiatric Association states it is unethical for members to speculate about the mental health of a public figure they have not personally examined, under the Goldwater rule."

"However, Dr Zinner claims that the rule does not apply to the president, and he told Dr Lee that “the basic guidelines for the ethical canons says that a psychiatrist’s responsibility, ‘first and foremost,’ is to his or her patients and to society and to his colleagues and himself, in that order. It does not include a public figure.”"

I know what my cognitive ability thinks about your obvious hypocrisy...
Have not diagnosed anyone. The symptoms of Trump's disorder are easy to see and require simple observation. One cannot diagnose dementia without some type of psychological testing. I Agree with the APA that diagnosing a condition requires a medical/psychological evaluation. Doesn't stop you or me from drawing conclusions based on observed behaviors. Doesn't make it right. It is what we do. It just happens to be easier to review the DSM symptoms of a Personality Disorder to draw those conclusions than to review the symptoms of Dementia and draw conclusions.
 
Those people that rioted should be charged/punished.

I think your take is, as with many reasonable people, spot on. I also think much of this is a spillover from the "peaceful protests" of the previous summer. Seeing those cities (including federal buildings and police stations) burn while the various law enforcement agencies were standing down had to be a contributing factor of the events and riot of that day.

To me credibility is immediately called into question when the same ones calling their side's actions "peaceful protests" or then "mostly peaceful protests" yet call the other an "insurrection" is a bit much. Call them both what they were - riots. If anything the series of "mostly peaceful protests" would indicate some level of planning and organization.
 
Let it go precious. He is no longer your President, but don't sleep on a Trump-DeSantis ticket.

Oh the horror! Better go ahead and get some more bullshit lies and conspiracy theories ready (which I'm sure your base of idiots and liars do).
Why the name calling? Disagree without being disagreeable. Ain't necessary! You are doing wishful thinking with the idea that Trump and DeSantis will form a ticket.
 
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