Firearm fatalities climbed after concealed carry law passed in 2016

[Raoul Duke MU]

Exactly. I was born and raised in Huntington. Went to HHS. My guess is most of you are from the country. Which has alot to do with our different political ideologies.

I was raised suburban but my roots are firmly in the sticks. The only reason we lived in the suburbs is dad moved mom too far out in the country and she got tired of having a 45 minute drive to work lol.

I like city stuff, too. I had a wonderful teacher in elementary school at the Christian School I went to that taught me to love the arts, especially classical music and theater.

I don't think you would have much of a clue to my politics unless you have been reading me for years. I am not easily categorized.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I hear you guys...but I'm convinced within a shadow of a doubt that I'm safer without them. I think statistics prove that as well. There are over 300 million guns owned in the U.S. In 2012, there were 259 justifiable homicides. Those are homocides committed in the act of defending themselves. Compare that In the same year with 20,666 suicides committed with guns and 548 accidental deaths by guns. There were 8352 deaths by guns in the commission of crime. So there's only one justifiable death for every 32 committed in the act of crimes. So even with this saturated proliferation of guns, gun owners aren't putting a dent into protecting themselves.

When you further compare 20,666 suicides and 548 accidental deaths to 259 justifiable homocides, by my math you are 82 times more likely to off yourself than you are to protect yourself. Live in a low crime area (the best thing you can do for your family) and keep guns out of your house and you're statistically safer. Much safer.

Again...I'm not anti gun. Load up if you must. But it just feels like a lot of the "protect my home" rhetoric is influenced by this romanticized vision that we have indoctrinated in us growing up. I lay my head on my pillow at night without fear. And if I'm cautious enough to stay away from areas we know are problems, I think I'm playing the odds right.

I also sleep with no fear, but it is nice having a shotgun in the closet just in case. It's cheap insurance. If I am going to kill myself I'll find a more interesting way that shooting myself. Maybe I'll steal a plane and nose dive that bitch in a corn field.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I don't know why you continue this "common sense" argument when the discussion is did permitless carry directly lead to a 15% increase in WV gun homicides, which is what the article claims. Assumptions have no place in statistical analysis...at least if you want to be honest with the results. Unless you can show me hard evidence that the 15% increase was due to previously law abiding citizens who never had a permit now carrying and deciding to shoot someone, your argument is bunk. As the author could not find such examples and thus evidence I would advise you to not waste your time.

My original contention was that your analogies were entirely different than what you were trying to say.

My second point was that a large increase in CCW permits will always lead to more shootings by those with CCW permits. If you have 100 people with CCWs in West Virginia, then you increase that number to 50,000 the following year, which pool do you think would have more shootings by people with CCWs? It is common sense.

25 years post increase hell, I remember the years immediately following the removal (1987, IIRC). Deaths did not skyrocket. If you wish to further argue this point, be aware I do not accept studies from the IIHS as legit, as they have a known and proven bias.

There are numerous studies from organizations of varied interests which show that accidents/deaths increase with a rise in speed limit.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

My original contention was that your analogies were entirely different than what you were trying to say.

My analogies were purely to mock the author. However, I probably could find a statistical correlation between blacks being riled up against the police an increase in blacks being shot. So fvxk it, it's all Kaepernick' fault.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

My second point was that a large increase in CCW permits will always lead to more shootings by those with CCW permits. If you have 100 people with CCWs in West Virginia, then you increase that number to 50,000 the following year, which pool do you think would have more shootings by people with CCWs? It is common sense..

If the number of gun carriers actually increased by 50000% you may have a point. I would argue that in the case of WV, already a shall issue state with permitless open carry, permitless conceal carry has led to a statistically insignificant number of new carriers. A 15% increase in fatal shootings is not insignificant (although it could be an anomaly). It should not be difficult for the author, or you, to present evidence the two are linked. The author could not, and you have yet to do so.

 

[i am herdman]

A gun is like a smoke detector. You don't really need one until you need it.