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Fun fact. With your info, Cam Fancher, the offensive line, and Clint Trickett still have Fancher at 36th in the country in average passing yards per game.
Fun fact cam Fancher still struggles to find receivers down field and also struggles to hit screen passes unless the receiver or running back is 7’2”
Was my post negative or positive?
Anyway, Cam is 9th in the conference in passing efficiency (63 nationally) and 83rd in TD passes and tied with 20 other guys for 29th most interceptions. In games where Cam has thrown for 300 yards we are 0-3. In games he throws for less than 300 we are 10-0. In other words, when it is put in his hands to make things happen instead of running, we have lost. That’s why we see 8 men in the box every game. Opposing coaches want him throwing enough to get 300 yards because they know we will be largely unproductive.
When you don’t have explosive plays in the passing game you just have to complete way too many passes per drive. He makes enough off target throws, and our receivers drop enough passes, and we get enough penalties that most drives are destined to stall. That’s why everybody plays us the way they do. The fact that he gets to throw against man and soft zone coverage every game, and is still that inefficient, is telling.
This. Cam can complete 6-7 passes on a drive and we only advance the ball 15-20 yards and punt. The opposing defense is willing to give up that one deep throw he makes a game in order to shut Ali down because when he's going is when we're going.
Seriously, it’s that simple! Take away Ali’s long run’s, and he’s not averaging crap. Imagine his production with a LEGIT downfield threat.
Fun Fact, Trick Daddy isn’t proving he cannot develop a QB or call plays or read a defense or recruit or get the blinders off huff…
True, but I think it's also what we have to work with. There were rumors out of camp that Trickett said the things we tried to do with Cam to improve his mechanics just made him worse. You can only develop someone so far.
The bigger issue for me is that this staff cannot recruit QBs. I'm still convinced that Huff didn't think he'd be here this long and brought in Colombi and a bunch of transfers trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Well Colombi was a bust and anyone with a shred of common sense could have predicted that based on his history at Utah State and Texas Tech.
Then Huff and this staff decided to completely forego recruiting any 2023 HS QBs. Don't give me the portal nonsense. You still need to bring in at least one HS QB a year. Even so where were the portal QBs? Oh yea. After seeing how subpar the QBs were that we did have in the spring the staff scrambled to bring in a busted up Rice QB that ran from a washed up injured JT Daniels.
Now let's look at WR. We have a nice collection of 2s and 3s on the roster, but we don't have a single #1. Not one WR strikes fear in the hearts of DCs and DBs. There's not one single WR on this roster that needs to be doubled, bracketed, or have coverage rolled to their side. Our offense is extremely easy to defend. Which is why Huff's record vs .500 or better teams is something like 3-10.
As I stated earlier in this thread. Teams will load the box and to stop Ali all game long. They now we are good for one deep throw a game, but other than that everything in our offense happens in front of them.
I mean after VT, Huff was asked why Montgomery wasn't played very much. Huff said that he didn't think throwing over VT's head was the key to winning. Yes we won, but barely and that just screams that he doesn't trust his QB. Which you could see in the trips to the RZ against VT and ODU with chances to step on their throats and put the game out of reach, Huff would rather trust an inconsistent kicker than his starting QB.
With a RB like Rasheen Ali our Play Action game should be lethal and it's pretty much nonexistent.
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……another fun fact:
JMU has never defeated a team from the state of WV…..
JMU has never defeated a team from the state of WV…..
I can see your point, but fixing Cam isn’t just mechanics, he is talented and can throw. I haven’t seen many pass routes that allow him to hit simple passes that’s right in front of him, like a slant route it’s a route you typically don’t even need to read just snap set and throw. Where is the TE fly route right down the middle, where is the post routes, we are always throwing to the side line or asking him to drop it in a pocket 20+ yards down the sideline. He scrambles way to quick because the routes are developing and our line can’t give him that much time.
We have to find quick hitting routes and that takes a simple read before the snap, it’s sandlot 101 .. defender play 5+ yards off you cut in and hit him until they tighten up.
Got to start moving the chains and quit this 3 and out or 2 and go for gold crap, Defense isn’t good enough to hold teams off this year, 3 and outs just wear down the D.
Hope Saturday looks better, we will see..
what have you been watching? That's all we are trying to do.
Gohomeherd observation is often correct.
The simple passes that you reference are those WR screens, most often to the boundary side, which haven't worked all season, or tunnel screens.
There haven't been those quick slant, quick out or option routes. Think about those routes that Cato and Shuler mad a living at.
Do you not know what a slant is? I’m not saying he throws them often but when he does it’s usually for a decent chunk of yards
A couple points here...
Our need for a #1 WR is absolutely glaring... Having a bunch of 5'10 guys that can catch screens is great and all, but at some point you need a big body guy that can make a contested catch, or a flat out burner that can get behind defenses.
Fancher's passing mechanics aren't his biggest issue. His inability to see downfield and make an accurate throw is. There were 3-4 plays on Saturday where we had guys running open down the sideline and instead immediately checked it down and took a 3-yard gain in the flat. I don't know the cause of that, whether he doesnt think he can get the ball downfield, whether he has been taught to play it safe and check down as soon as possible, or whether he just doesn't see downfield well. But its a problem.
Slants and quick outs are not the answer when teams are playing 7-8 in the box with press corners on the outside. You are asking to throw interceptions in that scenario. You have to get the ball behind the defense a time or two to move them back. Cato hit enough deep balls that we could throw those quick passes and it was there all night. Fancher to this point hasn't.
Our need for a #1 WR is absolutely glaring... Having a bunch of 5'10 guys that can catch screens is great and all, but at some point you need a big body guy that can make a contested catch, or a flat out burner that can get behind defenses.
Fancher's passing mechanics aren't his biggest issue. His inability to see downfield and make an accurate throw is. There were 3-4 plays on Saturday where we had guys running open down the sideline and instead immediately checked it down and took a 3-yard gain in the flat. I don't know the cause of that, whether he doesnt think he can get the ball downfield, whether he has been taught to play it safe and check down as soon as possible, or whether he just doesn't see downfield well. But its a problem.
Slants and quick outs are not the answer when teams are playing 7-8 in the box with press corners on the outside. You are asking to throw interceptions in that scenario. You have to get the ball behind the defense a time or two to move them back. Cato hit enough deep balls that we could throw those quick passes and it was there all night. Fancher to this point hasn't.
Exactly, the play that stands out to me was against Va Tech. The 2nd INT Cam threw. We had 3rd and 6 at around midfield. Trick calls for a sideline route 20 yards across the field - a tough throw for the best QB's. We were rolling and just needed 6 yards. The dude is a terrible OC and QB coach.
We have WRs that can get past the DBs and get open downfield. We dont have a QB that can consistently get them the ball down field when they are open. Many of our dropped passes have actually occurred, shorter yardage, in the middle of the field.
Fun fact. Wrong.
JMU's history in football is about a 100 years shorter than ours. They didn't play at all until 1972 and were not even I-AA until 1980.
They beat Glenville State in 1976, and Shepherd in 1975 and 76.
They are 0-3 against both us and our little brothers in Morganhole, but that all changes Thursday night.
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Nice work, Chuckie. It takes a true fool to be able to make Samantha right for once.Fun fact. Wrong.
JMU's history in football is about a 100 years shorter than ours. They didn't play at all until 1972 and were not even I-AA until 1980.
They beat Glenville State in 1976, and Shepherd in 1975 and 76.
They are 0-3 against both us and our little brothers in Morganhole, but that all changes Thursday night.
Football All-Time Records - James Madison University
Ryan - hope you are well. Let’s hope Sammy’s predicted loss blows up in his old, wrinkled face……
For all you "Sheldon Cooper wannabes" and your "Fun Facts", we've lost TWO straight and the immediate future, with JMU at the JOAN and on the road at Coastal and App State doesn't look like a "fun fest" ahead for the HERD and it fans!!!
Did they have buses when you went to school? If so, was yours one of those with lots of seats or maybe just a few rows?
I would like for Aaron to return to this thread and tell me again Fancher is great.
I just want to hear @Aaron Perkins give one honest criticism of the coaching staff. Just one.
Fancher played hurt all night so I have to give him props for that but he ain’t the guy. His decision making is to slow, pocket awareness is MIA, and it’s 50/50 if he’d hit water falling out of a boat.
I agree about Fancher but now I'm starting to feel sorry for him. A head coach worth a shit would have recruited a QB and moved Fancher over to a position better suited for him. He's an athlete and plays with heart.
As long as we have idiot fans like @Aaron Perkins blowing smoke up Huff's ass, telling him how pretty he is, Huff will continue to think he's still the hot chick at the party.
Huff's plans for using Marshall as a stepping stone are not going to pan out, but I don't think he's come to the realization yet.
It's going to be real hard getting a HC position at a bigger school when the mid-major you were working for let you go.
You say this as if I have a reputation of saying stuff, then when proven wrong, i leave and stop replying. I think that is FAR from the truth.
Do I think Cam Fancher is Great? Not sure I have ever said he is great.
Do I think Cam Fancher is good enough to lead us to a Sun Belt Championship THIS SEASON? I 100000 percent do, and truly believe that he will.
That was not a great game. But, it was a game we still had a chance to win. Last night, that reason wasnt Cam. But the last two weeks, that reason was Cam.
Put down the weed man... We are 1-2 in conference play and JMU/Ga. State have the tiebreakers. Even if some miracle happened and we won out we aren't winning the league this season.
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He’s right, Aaron. I fixed Rhinos typo on our conference record (1-2), but (for the last time) since JMU isn’t eligible for the East, we are now asking the Herd to run 5 in a row & have Ga St lose 2. They still play the Dukes, so there’s one L. But - us winning 5 to close out? No way in hell……
Hooray we are rooting for technicalities and archaic rules!
Who cares what we are rooting for. They are the actual rules.
Georgia State has to play
At Louisiana
At Georgia State
JMU and Appy at Home
Could easily see two losses there.
Georgia State has to play
At Louisiana
At Georgia State
JMU and Appy at Home
Could easily see two losses there.
But, but, but - do you want to predict us running the table after that pathetic performance? Because I think we can all agree another loss & we are finished, regardless of the other teams records….
You are the only person who could possibly feel like finishing second in the division and backing into a championship game because JMU is being penalized is an accomplishment.
And even that scenario playing out is a long shot.
Why wouldnt i predict that.
Again, it is not like we put up 40 yards and 9 points against some awful team.
We lost a game. We lost a hard fought game that that team is going to remember for the rest of the year.
We have extra time to prepare, and we have five winnable football games in front of us.
Again, we just lost by 7, 17, and 11 to teams with a combined 16 - 4 record.
Contrary to popular belief, i hate losing, but to act like we suck because of that? Thats crazy
Again, it is not like we put up 40 yards and 9 points against some awful team.
We lost a game. We lost a hard fought game that that team is going to remember for the rest of the year.
We have extra time to prepare, and we have five winnable football games in front of us.
Again, we just lost by 7, 17, and 11 to teams with a combined 16 - 4 record.
Contrary to popular belief, i hate losing, but to act like we suck because of that? Thats crazy
What color is the sky in your world?
You are delusional. You sound like a Spamite. Just learn a few of the players' names and fill in the blanks. Every player on our team is great. Every coach is a genius. Every loss was a good game. Etc. Delusion. Childishness.
Reality is this is a bad football team, coached by a bad coach, with a bad staff he picked to surround him. We are not winning the SBC, this year or any time soon. We are, BTW, currently tied for LAST place in the east division.
This is a bad football team.
