George Will...as usual...gets it.
http://humanevents.com/2015/08/28/the-havoc-that-trump-wreaks-on-his-own-party/
http://humanevents.com/2015/08/28/the-havoc-that-trump-wreaks-on-his-own-party/
George Will: The havoc that Trump reaps...on his own party
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Probably so. This country caters to handouts and minorities. You can't offer more than a Democrat.
I wish George would have run for president at some point. Problem is that he is too smart to get elected. Better said, he would have a hard time dumbing himself down to the electorate.
Exactly, which is why the Tea Party is against both Corporate Welfare and Welfare for the able-bodied who refuse to work.
It is why they opposed both TARP and Obamacare, which both gave huge handouts to big corporations and now have hopefully killed the Ex-Im Bank.
The GOP Establishment is pro-Corporate Welfare.
Now Trump is absolutely the wrong vehicle for opposing these two, but for myriads of reasons he seems to have become this cycles voice for that.
(And George Will's atheism would keep him from the GOP nomination)
The Tea party, if given enough rope, would hang the United States....in the name of the United States of course. Nearly half of them believe Obama was born outside the United States, they are willing to destroy the government to rescind Obamacare, they claim to be against lobbying efforts yet are funded amply by the koch brothers who incidentally have called for the abolition not just of Social Security, federal regulatory agencies and welfare but also of the FBI, the CIA, and public schools. The are fringe lunatics.
That's rich coming from someone who believes the bible is the literal word of god while simultaneously being a Scientologist.
You're a good judge of presidential elections. You said romney would win in a landslide. How'd that work out.
He knows he said it. In the same way, I remember you saying nobody with the name Hussein would ever be president of the U S. And I remember you saying we weren't in a recession, after all, 2 homes were sold on the block where you live.
It could also be a massive swerve to make whoever actually does get the nom look sane in comparison, but I don't give the Republican Party that much credit for gamesmanship.
George Will is a conservative writer when he needs to be. "conservatives" like George helped to give the GOP "winning" candidates like Bob Dole, McCain, and Romney. IMO, he is one of the biggest contributors to the GOP becoming excuse makers for not moving forward with a real agenda of growth and prosperity.
He is the typical, inside the beltway political elitist that fails to see "why" a guy like Trump is getting traction. Candidates like Trump cut Will out of the selection process in some ways. I cant say I agree with everything Trump is saying when it comes to his policy initiatives, but I understand why so many like him.
I happened to be talking to a Vietnam vet a couple weeks ago. Politics came up and he said he loved Trump. I asked him why? He said because Trump is speaking Pro America. Speaking about American greatness and leadership. He liked how Trump didn't take crap off the media, wasn't afraid to answer a question and didn't act all PC. He thought Trumps business success would be of value in the job. The man was an African American admitted Democrat too. I have to admit, I was a little stunned. I asked him if he would vote for Trump if he were on the ticket. He said, I probably will.........
I think more conservative minded people are tired of sitting back and letting the agenda be set by a bunch of utopian fakes who pretend to have the ability to control everyone's life into a fair existence. Simply put, Trump isn't viewed as one of those "politicians". And I think that is carrying some weight across all voter demographics.
He is the typical, inside the beltway political elitist that fails to see "why" a guy like Trump is getting traction. Candidates like Trump cut Will out of the selection process in some ways. I cant say I agree with everything Trump is saying when it comes to his policy initiatives, but I understand why so many like him.
I happened to be talking to a Vietnam vet a couple weeks ago. Politics came up and he said he loved Trump. I asked him why? He said because Trump is speaking Pro America. Speaking about American greatness and leadership. He liked how Trump didn't take crap off the media, wasn't afraid to answer a question and didn't act all PC. He thought Trumps business success would be of value in the job. The man was an African American admitted Democrat too. I have to admit, I was a little stunned. I asked him if he would vote for Trump if he were on the ticket. He said, I probably will.........
I think more conservative minded people are tired of sitting back and letting the agenda be set by a bunch of utopian fakes who pretend to have the ability to control everyone's life into a fair existence. Simply put, Trump isn't viewed as one of those "politicians". And I think that is carrying some weight across all voter demographics.
That is why the Republican establishment needs taken down. No more Romney's and McCains.
It was the best you had then, and the republican candidates are even worse now. That Trump is leading in the republican field should provide enough proof of that.
Actually, the Republicans candidates for the most part are pretty good this time.
That being said, there is a reason Trump is winning right now. He is saying what a lot of people are thinking.
That being said, there is a reason Trump is winning right now. He is saying what a lot of people are thinking.
It's a big field right now. About 75% of the republican base are choosing someone else right now. We'll see how this pans out when the field gets narrowed. I don't think it's going to end well for him.
I don't think Will fails to see why "a guy like Trump is getting traction." That's not what he's saying. He's saying that Trump, if he becomes his party's nominee, would be handing the election to the Democrats. And he's right. Elections aren't won by popularity among the most conservative or the most liberal. Elections are won in the middle.
Obama only received 39% of the white vote in the last election. Romney carried 59% of the white vote...yet lost handily. Why? Because he carried 92% of the black vote, 71% of the Latino vote, 73% of the Asian American vote, and held large leads among the young voters. Trump is merely rallying a vocal segment of a conservative base that wouldn't be voting for a democrat if Jesus Christ ran on the ticket.
Who is Trump alienating? Those who are likely going to decide the election. The same group that put Obama in office. And Donald Trump has little appeal among the young demographics and nearly zero appeal among non-white group. I honestly don't believe that Trump can command the same 59% of the white voters that Romney garnered in the last election while losing soundly.
I honestly believe he's getting so much attention from the national press right now, a press that is decidedly liberal, because besides the entertainment factor in his buffoonery, he will hand the election to their guys.
As an FYI I'm not a fan of Trump. But one thing that drives me nuts is the fact that so many people say Republicans have to support illegal immigration in order to get the Hispanic vote. It honestly really bugs me. I don't know if Trumps ideas about the boarder would work but if the only way that Republicans can get Hispanic votes is to support massive amnesty for a group of people who have illegally come to this country. I don't get it. They are here illegally! What part of that do people not understand? There are no countries you can just stroll into with zero consequences. So why does America have to do this.
I work with several individuals who are of Asian, Arab and Indian descent. Our government makes them bust their ass to follow every rule to get visas and green cards and lastly citizenship. These are people with Advanced degrees in high level jobs who if they slip up once in their mountain of paper work they are made to go home.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
I work with several individuals who are of Asian, Arab and Indian descent. Our government makes them bust their ass to follow every rule to get visas and green cards and lastly citizenship. These are people with Advanced degrees in high level jobs who if they slip up once in their mountain of paper work they are made to go home.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
I tell you 429 I lived in California for several years and was worked and had friends of Mexican ethnicity. They were very against illegal immigration. Many of these individuals were children of parents who legally immigrated to the USA. i don't think it's near as one sided as the media tends to believe it is.
That's what we are continually told by the experts like George. (George also suggested a few weeks back Trump would be long gone, cast aside by now.....wrong.) That's why moderates keep getting nominated by the GOP (McCain, Romney)...... and why they fail. There was nothing about bummer that was "middle" in his rhetoric or propaganda. His whole agenda was bigger govt promises and freebies. Of course the black vote got out of bed in time to vote for obummer. He was "black". Their total numbers will most likely drop off this go round. The same with the young vote. You think cool young hipsters are going to go vote for Hillary in the same numbers they did bumma? You got to be kidding me?
Who is trump alienating?? Illegal immigrants? Based on more and more conversations I've actually had with minorities (blacks and legal immigrants who pay attention) about trump, I think the media, and pasty white George may be missing the bigger picture here. His likability is improving the more he talks. Hell, I've seen black women defending Trumps ass. It simply isn't getting worse as they predicted just a few weeks ago.
I don't claim to know how it will turn out, but something tells me, Trump is turning all the expert predictions on their heads because he's a political outsider not playing by the usual rules.
I see it differently I guess. I actually like a candidate who doesn't play by the usual rules. I'm a disallusioned voter who is sick of politics and politicians. But Trump just seems to be living on bluster right now. I don't see that holding up long term.
The thought of a Trump presidency scares me. Contrary to the thought process of some republicans, you do actually need a level of tact and compromise to govern effectively. I don't think Trump has the necessary level of either.
Hillary, however, is just as bad, but in different ways. She can play the political game much better, but her motives are much worse. I just feel she's a level of evil that we don't need in the White House as a follow up to a guy who has basically emasculated our country, I believe by design, and banished us to entitlement purgatory.
We need someone who actually loves America, or more correctly, the ideals that made America great. Both Trump and Clinton love themselves first. We need someone selfless, someone whose only concern is to leave office with the country in better shape then when they arrived. I realize that sounds idealistic, but at the end of the day, we need someone with an actual vision, not policies, platforms or agendas. If I moderated a debate I would ask each candidate one question! with one follow up, 5 minutes to answer the first question, 5 minutes for the follow up.
1. What do you think America should look like 8 years from now?
2. How are you going to make it happen.
The person with the most direct and passionate vision and the most concise plan wins.
Hillary, however, is just as bad, but in different ways. She can play the political game much better, but her motives are much worse. I just feel she's a level of evil that we don't need in the White House as a follow up to a guy who has basically emasculated our country, I believe by design, and banished us to entitlement purgatory.
We need someone who actually loves America, or more correctly, the ideals that made America great. Both Trump and Clinton love themselves first. We need someone selfless, someone whose only concern is to leave office with the country in better shape then when they arrived. I realize that sounds idealistic, but at the end of the day, we need someone with an actual vision, not policies, platforms or agendas. If I moderated a debate I would ask each candidate one question! with one follow up, 5 minutes to answer the first question, 5 minutes for the follow up.
1. What do you think America should look like 8 years from now?
2. How are you going to make it happen.
The person with the most direct and passionate vision and the most concise plan wins.
The vision has to actually be plausible and, as I said, reflect what made America great. Socialism didn't make America great.
I still don't know what to totally think of Trump exactly as a candidate. (Personally I've liked Dr. Carson and Rubio for a long time) But I've personally seen Trump speak outside of his "TV persona" to a smaller group (several years ago-long before his presidential aspirations) and his demeanor and professionalism were much more of a businessman and a lot less of what the media is showing now. He came off totally different in person. IMO, the guy didn't turn a million $$ family business into a billion $$$ family business because he didn't have "tact" or an ability to compromise when needed. I also look beyond his TV persona and pay attention to how his family and kids turned out. Pretty amazing, successful family top to bottom. They have all become immensely successful despite the "silver spoon" syndrome some kids of that type end up having. They were all forced to work and earn their place. Says a lot. He set high expectations for his kids and they were expected to meet them. That says a lot about him that the media and experts like George intentionally ignore.
I think the "love for himself" that his detractors point to comes out of a complete confidence he has in his ability to accomplish what he sets out to do more so than a "love" for himself. Frankly he is not much different than most successful people I've met. He simply carries the additional New Yorker bravado that many have in that region. Generally, I just think there is a growing portion of America who are tired of "apologist" type politicians tip toeing around every major issue because they are afraid of upsetting someone. People have lazily become insistent on becoming "offended" at the drop of the hat. Talk about the need to "love yourself" and "arrogant" beliefs.........
Generally, Americans have been brainwashed into believing someone openly expressing full confidence in their abilities should be viewed as arrogant, selfish, etc. Younger generations are being taught that success (unless you are an athlete or rap star) is a result of screwing someone over or simply being greedy & self centered. Its a dogma I simply dont buy into generally. Sustained success simply doesn't occur if these are the fundamentals that one's perceived "success" are based on. (Hillary is now starting to find that out)
Then, following that logic, it is already going to be handed to the Democrats. We have the kind of candidate Will promotes the last two times. Someone has to be different.
For example you were in sales. I carry the most expensive product on the market. Guess what happens if I lower my price 10%? The low ballers(Democrats) offer more and lower their price. If a Republican tries to offer more handouts, softens up on immigration, etc. then guess what the Democrats do? They offer more and more. You can't out Democrat or offer more handouts than they will.
Trump is a clear product difference. McCain and Romney were Democrat Lights. So is much of the Republican establishment.
In case anybody has missed it the Republicans have lost the last two POTUS elections. You can't be a Democrat and run against a Democrat. They are just going to give 15% off.
Offer a better product and a different product. Trump is playing it exactly right.
The guys like Will and so on keep losing elections for the Republicans.
No matter what they do, those who can't will always depend on those who can. If the pot ever becomes sweeter to tell those who can't to go to hell, then we will.
RHF, I can't get past Trump's multiple company bankruptcies in evaluating his business acumen. Maybe that's just my professional bias showing through. It's the same reason I would never support Jim Justice in WV, the guy is sleazy and litigious and has a penchant for not paying people what he legitimately owes them even though he has the capacity to do so.
Ethics are the first consideration when deciding who to do business with, I question Trump's and I know Hillary doesn't have any. If the election were tomorrow I would vote for Rubio.
Ethics are the first consideration when deciding who to do business with, I question Trump's and I know Hillary doesn't have any. If the election were tomorrow I would vote for Rubio.
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