George Will: The havoc that Trump reaps...on his own party

[Raoul Duke MU]

Black women love Hillary. Seriously. Black women are mostly feminists. Black men did not turn out in droves to vote for Obama (probably because too many are criminals) but those black women will again turn out for Hillary. Women, soccer moms, college females (I would bet you twice as many young women as young men voted for Obama).

Trump would stand no chance against such voter demographics. He can win all the white hicks and it doesn't equal enough electoral votes. Same for Ted Cruz (a goddamn Canadian, where are you birthers now?).

You want to know how dumb a lot of Republicans are? I keep reading talk that people will just stay home if it is Jeb. You think the blacks and liberal women are going to stay home? LOL.

On amnesty, you fiscal conservatives explain to me how you are going to jail or expell all illegals AND do it cheaply. AND not piss off your fellow Republicans that hire them. Good luck.

 

[Walden Pond]

You want to know how dumb a lot of Republicans are? I keep reading talk that people will just stay home if it is Jeb. You think the blacks and liberal women are going to stay home? LOL.

What's to lose? Jeb=Hillary. Let 'em have her.

 

[herdfan429]

Black women love Hillary. Seriously. Black women are mostly feminists. Black men did not turn out in droves to vote for Obama (probably because too many are criminals) but those black women will again turn out for Hillary. Women, soccer moms, college females (I would bet you twice as many young women as young men voted for Obama).

Trump would stand no chance against such voter demographics. He can win all the white hicks and it doesn't equal enough electoral votes. Same for Ted Cruz (a goddamn Canadian, where are you birthers now?).

You want to know how dumb a lot of Republicans are? I keep reading talk that people will just stay home if it is Jeb. You think the blacks and liberal women are going to stay home? LOL.

On amnesty, you fiscal conservatives explain to me how you are going to jail or expell all illegals AND do it cheaply. AND not piss off your fellow Republicans that hire them. Good luck.

Raoul what you do is you punish the employers that hire illegals. You strengthen e verify. Impose crippling fines on companies that hire illegals. Same thing with housing. With respect to those already here you can give them "legal status" but they can't vote EVER. They don't get social security and no Medicare or welfare for 10 years

 

[extragreen]

Raoul what you do is you punish the employers that hire illegals. You strengthen e verify. Impose crippling fines on companies that hire illegals. Same thing with housing. With respect to those already here you can give them "legal status" but they can't vote EVER. They don't get social security and no Medicare or welfare for 10 years

In other words, just keep them as cheap guest workers.

 

[herdfan429]

Eg haven't you been saying basically the exact same thing, punish those that hire illegals? In sorry I don't think that a person coming here illegally should be given full rights as a citizen. And hell they wouldn't be cheap guest workers. They'd be making that $15/hr minimum wage you so graciously of your employees

 

[banker6796]

Indentured servitude. Round up the illegals and give one to every American family for 7 years. They can do all the work around the house and if they work the family gets all the money in exchange for room and board. After 7 years give them citizenship if they commit no crimes and can pass a test given in English. If they fail, they're executed. That would be some solid motivation to learn English and study in the evenings.

 

[extragreen]

Eg haven't you been saying basically the exact same thing, punish those that hire illegals? In sorry I don't think that a person coming here illegally should be given full rights as a citizen. And hell they wouldn't be cheap guest workers. They'd be making that $15/hr minimum wage you so graciously of your employees

Regardless of pay, they'd still be guest workers. I don't like the half citizen stuff.

 

[i am herdman]

Greed, I am surprised you haven't hired some illegals to work for you and dumped your employees. You could pay them under the table or in script. Put some trailers up the holler and make them work for rent and food.

 

[extragreen]

Greed, I am surprised you haven't hired some illegals to work for you and dumped your employees. You could pay them under the table or in script. Put some trailers up the holler and make them work for rent and food.

Kindergarten

 

[raleighherdfan]

RHF, I can't get past Trump's multiple company bankruptcies in evaluating his business acumen. Maybe that's just my professional bias showing through. It's the same reason I would never support Jim Justice in WV, the guy is sleazy and litigious and has a penchant for not paying people what he legitimately owes them even though he has the capacity to do so.

Ethics are the first consideration when deciding who to do business with, I question Trump's and I know Hillary doesn't have any. If the election were tomorrow I would vote for Rubio.

Trump has owned hundreds of different businesses/ventures over the years. HUNDREDS. He claims to have had 4 go through bankruptcies. If there are more than that, I'm not sure. If those numbers are accurate, that's a pretty solid success record overall IMO. How many "entrepreneurs" cant get one business to work and simply quit? How many fail multiple times before they achieve great success with a new venture? Countless in both situations.

Using "Bankruptcies" as a form of measuring good/bad business acumen is not always a completely accurate metric. Entrepreneurs who have actually started companies and run them understand this more than anyone. In many cases reorganizing under bankruptcy law is a wise business decision that allows the business to continue when otherwise it couldn't. In the case of Trump, it appears his bankruptcies stuck it to the banks pretty good....which makes it understandable why you find that a problem.

 

[Chevy1]

Mr. Trump's reality TV skills serve him well in today's GOP.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Something tells me had Trump come out to run on the Democrat ticket, that just as many Dems, and *cough* Independents *cough*, would be just as enamored with him. The fact that he has been on TV for over 10 years would have made him a "qualified" candidate alone in the pop culture mindset. Unfortunately, he happens to be rich, so, the natural lazy tendency of the leftist is to assume he's bad (unless the same leftist needed his campaign contributions over many previous elections).

The more I read up on him, he straddles the fence on most other social issues. The fact that some liberals and *cough* independents *cough* consider him too conservative and not enough "middle" is pretty ridiculous when you look at what he has supported in the past. Furthermore, the fact that many republican voters view him favorably and his favorability seems to be growing shows just how open they are to differences of opinion on certain social issues in general. We are told every election that "bible thumpers" will deny a pro abortion, gay rights candidate the nomination........that's not happening at this point. The liberals would be waving their gay pride flag in the streets with joy and celebration if Trump were on the Dem ticket.

Trump is in many ways is exactly the opposite (of what those that don't like him on either side) say he is. I find that interesting. This is also why I find George Will's article....pure BS. When looking at various issues outside of immigration, Trump IS pretty middle. He's just not the kind of "wall flower", "apologetic", "cowering", "media suck up" kind of "middle", guys like George want on the ticket. He is probably the least "puppet-like" candidate that anyone has really seen. That makes a lot of people nervous.

 

[herdfan429]

Regardless of pay, they'd still be guest workers. I don't like the half citizen stuff.

I don't like people cheating the system and coming here illegally. They broke the law PERIOD, the don't deserve to be granted full rights of a us citizen or anyone that came immigrated to our country the right way.

 

[extragreen]

I don't like people cheating the system and coming here illegally. They broke the law PERIOD, the don't deserve to be granted full rights of a us citizen or anyone that came immigrated to our country the right way.

If they work here, and pay taxes here, they should have the full rights of a citizen if they want them.
I don't like the taxation without representation thing.

 

[i am herdman]

Kindergarten

I am being serious. Mexicans(and other Latinos) will out work your employees you have now and will work cheaper. You have just never been exposed to it.

 

[extragreen]

I am being serious. Mexicans(and other Latinos) will out work your employees you have now and will work cheaper. You have just never been exposed to it.

They will out work you too.

 

[raleighherdfan]

http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...ortation-of-illegal-immigrants-poll-finds.htm

Support of "Mandatory deportation" seems to have "middle" ground support in this small sample.........

What's surprising is that 59% of the overall public does as well. Mandatory deportation gets majority support in all age groups except 18-24, every income group, among both women and men, at every level of educational achievement, and in rural, urban and suburban regions.

More interesting still is the fact that 64% of independents and 55% of moderates support deportation

 

[herdfan429]

If they work here, and pay taxes here, they should have the full rights of a citizen if they want them.
I don't like the taxation without representation thing.

I don't like the coming into my country ILLEGALLY thing. Why should law breakers be given the full rights of citizenship while those waiting in line get nothing. And you don't make them citizens, since citizen are only allowed to vote in federal elections.

 

[extragreen]

I don't like the coming into my country ILLEGALLY thing. Why should law breakers be given the full rights of citizenship while those waiting in line get nothing. And you don't make them citizens, since citizen are only allowed to vote in federal elections.

I'm not a big fan of the "illegally" thing either. But destitution has a certain inherent urgency. It is most likely that you and I would do the same thing (come to this country illegally) if we were in their shoes.

 

[i am herdman]

They will out work you too.

I agree with you there and promise you that. I hire the legal ones from time to time. They will outwork me in a minute.

 

[herdfan429]

I'm not a big fan of the "illegally" thing either. But destitution has a certain inherent urgency. It is most likely that you and I would do the same thing (come to this country illegally) if we were in their shoes.

But just because their country sucks doesn't make it my responsibility to give them free access to health care, the ability to vote, let's be honest dens just want another voting block, or any other promises this country offers. There are legal ways to come here and yes they need reforms but we can't allow every Tom dick and Harry into the country just because they fall on hard times.

 

[i am herdman]

If I were the union guys I would hate the Mexicans. Talk about lowering wages and so on. Look around the South. It isn't the local carpenters and steelworkers unions building stuff.

 

[extragreen]

But just because their country sucks doesn't make it my responsibility to give them free access to health care, the ability to vote, let's be honest dens just want another voting block, or any other promises this country offers. There are legal ways to come here and yes they need reforms but we can't allow every Tom dick and Harry into the country just because they fall on hard times.

We're giving them free emergency healthcare anyway. And lets be honest, the Republicans haven't done anything about illegal immigrants because they love cheap labor.

 

[herdfan429]

The chamber of commerce republicans absolutely do

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...ortation-of-illegal-immigrants-poll-finds.htm

Support of "Mandatory deportation" seems to have "middle" ground support in this small sample.........

What's surprising is that 59% of the overall public does as well. Mandatory deportation gets majority support in all age groups except 18-24, every income group, among both women and men, at every level of educational achievement, and in rural, urban and suburban regions.

More interesting still is the fact that 64% of independents and 55% of moderates support deportation

I wonder how that would change if they realized the costs involved.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I wonder how that would change if they realized the costs involved.

Not much......as long as one has the ability to understand the actual "cost" of illegal immigration within complete context. Looking at a simple "cost basis" of deporting without recognizing the other countless costs associated with permitting illegal immigration to remain in place is foolish. It most likely would cost no more than the $$billions spent covering illegals in the healthcare, public school, or justice systems because they are allowed to stay here.

Additionally, I find it odd that "costs" of govt activity is now a concern for liberals big spending types. How amazing would it be if liberals worried about spending when it came to the $Trillions wasted "eliminating poverty" over the last few decades?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I've always been a fiscal conservative, dummy.

You also forget the added productivity of many illegals. And a lot of you folks won't be eating much when the beaners no longer work the fields. You can still eat corn, lots of goddamn corn. But you can forget the strawberries.

 

[herdfan429]

I've always been a fiscal conservative, dummy.

You also forget the added productivity of many illegals. And a lot of you folks won't be eating much when the beaners no longer work the fields. You can still eat corn, lots of goddamn corn. But you can forget the strawberries.

How many are seasonal migrant workers and not straight illegal?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

How many are seasonal migrant workers and not straight illegal?

From my experience, about half and half, which pretty much meets national statistics.