I would encourage some of you to watch this if you have time and get your take on it.
http://subsplash.com/creek/v/791ea74
http://subsplash.com/creek/v/791ea74
Good sermon, imho.
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If you think this is an 80's issue, you haven't been paying attention.
Thanks to Oliver and the ridiculous life style of many of the "Men of God" (ie: Ceflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland, etc.) , the IRS may finally begin to look into this. Although, the Tax Exempt Church Lobby is huge. I'm sure the Religious Right in Congress will cry foul.
Send your money to me.,,,,,Im only guessing cause I didnt read it.but someone mentioned copeland and Dollar. It they ever decide to tax churches it wil hurt small churches which make up most of the churches. Then it might be like the mayor or something who wanted all preahers to give him and outline of their sermon. What if the holy spirit put something else on the heart of the preacher and he preached something different than his outline. Church and state seperate cut6s both ways. Dont let a few preachers have any effect on any of the other 95% of preachers who are good.
Need to limit the exemption......Won't hurt smaller churches but the mega-churches have to be controlled.
One guy bragging about 2 jets, another living in a tax exempt 6.7 million dollar "parsonage".
Oliver was able to set up a tax exempt "church" with a few pieces of paperwork. He's received thousands of dollars which he is donating to Doctors Without Borders.
One guy bragging about 2 jets, another living in a tax exempt 6.7 million dollar "parsonage".
Oliver was able to set up a tax exempt "church" with a few pieces of paperwork. He's received thousands of dollars which he is donating to Doctors Without Borders.
How does the tax exemption work? If the church receives a million dollars, is that not taxed as income? Do the people employed at the church have to pay taxes on their income? Serious question, I've not looked into this.
How in the world did this turn into a thread about televangelists? The link isn't to a televangelist, it's a podcast from a local church in southeastern ky.
I didn't watch the video, but I brought this topic up on here years ago after seeing a house owned by a smaller church being sold for $500,000 . . . So that the preacher and his family could move to a more expensive one. They were moving from a 4000 square foot house to a newer, 4900 square foot house.
His wife didn't work. His only job was a preacher.
His wife didn't work. His only job was a preacher.
Churches are treated similar to standard non-profits with two glaring differences. Churches are not required to file a Federal Tax Return (Form 990) with the IRS which outlines the amount of money they are bringing in and how it used. All money given/donated to the church is tax exempt. Also any property owned by the church is tax exempt. (ie: Cars, Jets, etc)
Pastors are also entitled to the Parsonage Deduction from their personal taxes. This is unlimited and their is no limit on the number of homes. (ie: Our friend Ceflo has 3 "Parsonages") They also have Tax Free use of the Church Property noted above. (Cars, Jets, Boats, etc)
All of this Church "owned" property is also exempt from State Property Tax.
The tax law definitely needs changed. If not the exemption, at least how the exemption is obtained. As Oliver showed how easy it is to obtain the status.
I'm OK with property tax exemption for primary building used for worship and 1 parsonage. The rest, probably not.
All Church "owned" property is not exempt from state property tax. In WV, exemptions applicable to churches can be found in W.Va. Code sec. 11-3-9(a), which limits the exemptions to:
(5) Property used exclusively for divine worship;
(6) Parsonages and the household goods and furniture pertaining thereto;
Also, all charitable organizations (including churches) can take advantage of the following exemption:
(12) Property used for charitable purposes and not held or leased out for profit;
There are other exemptions, but these are the ones commonly used for churches. A number of churches use parking lots, excess property, etc. for pay parking or other purposes. Those churches pay significant property tax on that property.
This is not to say that churches do not stretch the limits of their property tax exemptions, but (12) shows that such will be true for any and all "charitable organizations".
The problem is that if you start a crack down on this someone has to decide which churches and which uses are legitimate and which aren't. Some of those decisions might be easy, but many won't be. I wouldn't envy that job.
You expected someone to click a link? Way beyond the attention span of the Internet. It's all about hot takes!
It's 56 minutes long from a Christian leader? I made it through 25 seconds.
How many people did you think would take 56 minutes to watch that topic?
Honestly, about 3 or 4 people on this board. You should take the time. Oddly enough, I think you would agree with a lot of what he says.
I listened to about 10-12 minutes of it, I'll try to go back and listen to more, but I think I got the gist of the message. The guy speaks volumes of truth!!! There are way too many "almost christians" parading around wearing religion on their sleeve and not demonstrating what Jesus Christ was really about rather than actually living it and letting their actions bring the love of Christ to people. Our pastor says over and over, "its not our job to bring people to Christ, its our job to bring Christ to people and let him do his job."
I wouldn't go to a 60 minute movie without at least seeing some previews or reviews of what it is about.
Based on Andy Griffith's post, I don't think I would like it.
Too many present day christians look at their god as a loving, compassionate, forgiving, caring being. That's completely false.
Based on the bible, their god is a violent, murderous, vindictive, moody, and two-faced - almost to the point of being schizophrenic - being.
The bible thumpers who claim to be "god-fearing" have it right. Based on the supposed stories, their god is all of those things. Too many modern christians want a softer view of their god.
Towards the end there is a pretty good discussion about how the church has been the catalyst and involved in various political movements and atrocities. I thought you might particularly be interested in that aspect.
Im sorry thundercat its all my fault because I didnt read it. Wont make that mistake anymore. I did admit that at the start of my first thread.
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