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A RICH REPUBLICAN LOOKING FOR TAX BREAKS AND ADVANTAGES FOR HIMSELF
TOLD YOU THAT.
SO, THE NEXT TIME YOU HEAR THAT BOGUS BUMPER STICKER
BIG LIE SLOGAN - REMEMBER WHO IS TALKING TO YOU AND WHAT HE IS AFTER.!
Everyone knows, everything you read on Facebook is true..........
Articles like this are part of the problem......How about verifying the source. How about providing actual statistics and context.
Everyone with an open mind knows that ACA is experiencing problems and needs actual solutions.
I think this article is a much better view of the issues with ACA:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/06/10/why-are-the-2016-obamacare-rate-increases-so-large/
Something needs to be done.....But all we keep hearing is, "Repeal it".........How about bringing together all of the groups involved. (Doctors, Lawyers, Health Insurance Companies, (God Forbid) even politicians, etc) Involve economists and healthcare experts to actually analyze what's good and bad about other countries healthcare programs.......Let's actually come up with some proposals!!
All I know is, it's ridiculous that a country like ours doesn't have comprehensive health insurance (especially for our children) but I don't claim to have the answer......This issue is bigger than one person, one industry, or one Party.
The "repeal it" mantra is pure pandering. There is as much chance of a repeal for ACA as there is for Social Security. It wont ever happen. It cant happen. Too many of these interests (businesses) have spent multi BILLIONS $$$$ to implement this hideous piece of legislation as was dictated to them to do. Unfortunately it was inevitable. The moment the govt inserted itself into the healthcare business as an overseer of cost and care many years back (Medicare, Medicaid), the boondoggle was spawned.
We don't need to model other countries healthcare systems. That's part of the problem that created this mess.
This is actually simplified flowchart..............."Insurance" is the least of the problems.
Common sense told me that.
I don't like some of the ones who have given me jobs, but a poor man won't be able to provide that job opportunity.
That is just reality.
That's what I said.....In this thread and in several others.
I wouldn't say Insurance is the "least" of our problems.........It's one of the problems but it's just one of many. Issue is, it's the "problem" they addressed without addressing any of the others.
Anyone with just a 1st graders knowledge of insurance, could have told you that, forcing companies to accept pre-existing conditions regardless of circumstances is going to cause costs to skyrocket. And that is only one issue of many..........
However, we needed healthcare reform......It's embarrassing that children and the poor were going uninsured. I know, I know......People are going to scream, "They weren't, treatment was available!" But it was lousy care and preventative care was nonexistent.
And Health Insurance costs were going up no matter what.....Deductibles were going to rise. Not at this pace but it was going to happen.
It's going to take a lot of cooperation and some tough battles to get this fixed.....I hope we're up to it.
I wouldn't say Insurance is the "least" of our problems.........It's one of the problems but it's just one of many. Issue is, it's the "problem" they addressed without addressing any of the others.
Anyone with just a 1st graders knowledge of insurance, could have told you that, forcing companies to accept pre-existing conditions regardless of circumstances is going to cause costs to skyrocket. And that is only one issue of many..........
However, we needed healthcare reform......It's embarrassing that children and the poor were going uninsured. I know, I know......People are going to scream, "They weren't, treatment was available!" But it was lousy care and preventative care was nonexistent.
And Health Insurance costs were going up no matter what.....Deductibles were going to rise. Not at this pace but it was going to happen.
It's going to take a lot of cooperation and some tough battles to get this fixed.....I hope we're up to it.
The only problem is creates
That is completely correct. Go to your local hospital and tell them you have no healthcare and see the type of care you get
That is completely correct. Go to your local hospital and tell them you have no healthcare and see the type of care you get
That's like saying the food and accommodations at the shelter, are equal to those at the Marriott.
Having been involved in the healthcare industry for 17 years.......that is completely inaccurate. You and Cocky are showing once again what you really don't know. You pass off innuendo as fact. I've been in some of the most rural impoverished parts of several states. I've seen the free "preventative" healthcare provided to those that take the time to go. I've worked in big mega health center systems.......I've seen the "free" healthcare provided. Standing in a surgical intensive care unit, you will never know who is....or isn't covered.
You guys believe a lot of myth.
And Fever.......I certainly hope that you weren't sharing your "knowledge" regarding ACA with your clients.
As a matter of fact, the "advice" you were giving above regarding ACA, subsidies, and costs, was extremely irresponsible for a licensed insurance professional.
FYI......In many states, providing insurance advice on a public forum without meeting the actual individual, is not only irresponsible but cause for suspension of your license.
As a matter of fact, the "advice" you were giving above regarding ACA, subsidies, and costs, was extremely irresponsible for a licensed insurance professional.
FYI......In many states, providing insurance advice on a public forum without meeting the actual individual, is not only irresponsible but cause for suspension of your license.
I'm sure you've "seen" it...........There are many services for the uninsured through public hospitals and free clinics, like Planned Parenthood and many others. (And thank goodness for them) But the fact remains, the uninsured receive subpar care. Not to mention that it bankrupts the system.
Don't mention planned parenthood, they kill babies for a living and provide no services for the community
Then I guess New York is the Wild, Wild West of the uniformed and uneducated providing bad advice to their clients.......That's kind scary!
Well the NYS Department of Financial Services is highly thought of and most states actually come to NY to model their Insurance department after the NYS system
Well, if they are so good and you are actually spouting the information regarding ACA that you spouted above, to clients in a State Farm office, then I can promise, they would love to have a conversation with you.
Again, a very myopic view of how the system actually works in healthcare specifically. Its usually why people that actually don't have experience in this business give simple, but inaccurate analogies of hotel chains (pricing service) vs. hospital systems (pricing service). We could be so lucky if the system actually operated like the hotel model. A true market system would thrive, actually driving competition and providing more affordable options of care across the board. Sadly I admit...."no one" wants that to occur for reasons time and space do not permit to list in this thread.
I've been in public hospitals, private hospitals, free clinics, non "free clinics, For profit and Non profit systems.........as a whole, as a SOP.......everyone gets the care. EVERYONE. The care that is delivered is exceptional to everyone. Whether its drug companies delivering free, heavily discounted medication, Docs waiving charges or fees in their offices or clinics, Medical equipment companies donating products or services, Hospital systems writing off losses, Foundations funding procedures........Healthcare is given abundantly in virtually every case.....regardless of one's ability to pay in this country. A person with the best insurance plan will likely sit in an emergency room just as long as a non insured person in most cases....that is a fact.......no matter what the media claims or what someone heard from their best friends second cousin twice removed.
The true reality is what usually sends the naysayers of US healthcare spinning: The reality is that in more cases than not...under the current structure and reimbursement process of healthcare....the "indigent" patient may actually receive BETTER care options in the major centers than someone on a specific health plan going to the same facility; this is simply due to coverage and contract pricing agreements to products and services between the insured patients plan provider and the healthcare facility/system they are using. Due to how the business of healthcare operates, the non covered patients cost can easily be written off or covered by other private or Govt. means. There simply is no incentive NOT to care for uninsured patients that some blindly suggest. The proof in this statement lies with those same naysayers that embrace the overly broad, blind political dogma of "insuring everyone will lower the cost". Insurance coverage or Single payer care for all simply does not translate into lower cost/priced care with more service options. This again is due to the reduced competition by the "fixing" of prices and services between providers that results from such coverage plans.
Rural, indigent care faces a slightly different issue; with overall limited options and access, combined with personal decision to not obtain the free "preventative" care opportunity that is provided in some of their communities.(This will only worsen as these clinics/docs are forced back into the bigger centers as the business changes due to the effects of the obamacare law) Obummercare has worsened the challenges facing the current and future patients in these rural places solely due to their locality and sometimes immobility to travel.... much less to do with ones ability to pay for the service.
Well done.......Very properly plagiarized from the Company newsletter.
Let me see......I'm guessing Pharmaceutical Rep or Manager? Maybe Medical Equipment.......Maybe even hospital administration but I don't think so.
17 years, huh? Well I was where you are 13 years ago......Blindly following the company line. I get it, they sign your checks. Give it time, you'll come around......And that's not liberal thinking. It's just reality.
Hey, I still love and support the company I work with, I've been very lucky......But I realize nobody gets it right 100% of the time.
And just for the record smart-ass.......I try to keep things simple on here. I don't need to quote from the Huffington Post, Wall Street Journal, Fox News or the latest economics forecast to prove how smart I am....If this is the place that makes you feel smart, you've got a low bar.
Actually i have vastly more experience in the biz than a pharm rep. Or a manager. I don't have someone sign my checks. I sign my own (for the last 10). You sound pissed. Like most liberals. Get over yourself. Don't wait on someone else to sign your checks for you. Make something happen for yourself. Pharmaceuticals are dead. Medical equipment...not far behind. It's the next target. The fact you think I'm being a smart ass when no intent of being smart ass shows just how Shut off you are. It's business not personal. Worked extensively with physicians and hospital administrations on how the system works as well as being apart of boards which guide the process.
I quite following the company line when I started my own. Try it. Who needs the news for experience when I live it.
