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Heard a stat the other day regarding black unemployment. Trump around 5% or so. Obama 15% or more.

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Is that correct? Guy on radio said it was around 5% or so during Trump's era and was 15% or more during Obama's era.

Trump was doing more for the black workers in America. Doesn't surprise me. Democrats don't want people in certain demographics doing well because it doesn't fit their narrative.
 
I read an article recently that states black unemployment was 16.8% under your orange jesus. As of April 2023 under biden it's at 4.7%.
 
Trump did more for blacks than the previous five Democrat presidents combined. greed knows that. he may pretend that he doesn't, but he knows. Best of all, I know he knows.
 
The lowest black unemployment rate under your orange jesus was 5.4%. It was at 4.7 in April of this year.
 
You bet. Is that the reason that the 2 years previous to the tax cuts created 200,000 more jobs than the first 2 years under the tax cut.
Again, this moron posts a figure that he thinks makes him seem as if he has a clue. However, the reality of it is he doesn't have a freaking clue about economics, or anything else for that matter.

You should stick to posting pics of cabinets and attempting to convince the board you aren't single these days.
 
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Herdman wants to talk about "black employment" on Juneteenth. Imagine that. Guess they haven't worked enough for his ancestors on the plantation.
 
This link doesn't provide the black employment data I was discussing and you graciously pointed out was better now under the Trump tax laws that Mush hasn't reversed. Lets hope they can make them permanent, as some are coming up on ending in 2025
The link above shows that the 2 years previous to the tax cuts created 200,000 more jobs than the first 2 years under the tax cut.

This next link shows the lowest black unemployment rate under your orange jesus was 5.4%. It was at 4.7 in April of this year.

 
This next link shows the lowest black unemployment rate under your orange jesus was 5.4%. It was at 4.7 in April of this year.
Exactly. Those Trump tax cuts kicked in. Mush is a rich man now. He knows raising his own taxes (the way he promised his rube base) would be a stupid idea (because EVERYONE got a tax cut under Trump). The business tax benefits started ending this year. In 2025 the personal tax benefits across the board begin to end. Make them permanent.
 
Exactly. Those Trump tax cuts kicked in.
You're a lying idiot. Everyone with an iota of intelligence knows that you are.

Black unemployment had been trending down from April of 2011 to August of 2019 and the trajectory was unaltered by the tax cuts. The same holds true for the overall unemployment rate between Nov 2009 and Feb 2020.
 
The same holds true for the overall unemployment rate between Nov 2009 and Feb 2020.
Just imagine how the economy would have exploded if Obumma had not raised taxes on all classes. Imagine how the economy would have exploded had folks not bought into the "lockdown" nonsense during the pandemic. I give Biden credit. He hasn't raised taxes the way he promised. Make them permanent.
 
Just imagine how the economy would have exploded if Obumma had not raised taxes on all classes. Imagine how the economy would have exploded had folks not bought into the "lockdown" nonsense during the pandemic. I give Biden credit. He hasn't raised taxes the way he promised. Make them permanent.
Just imagine the 1 1/2 trillion we could have saved had your orange jesus not provided a tax cut for the rich which accomplished nothing but making the rich richer. If you're talking about the 2013 tax hikes, Americans earning less than $250,000 were unaffected.
 
Just imagine the 1 1/2 trillion we could have saved had your orange jesus not provided a tax cut for the rich which accomplished nothing but making the rich richer. If you're talking about the 2013 tax hikes, Americans earning less than $250,000 were unaffected.
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provided a tax cut for the rich which accomplished nothing but making the rich richer
It kept business investment and innovation expanding. It kept 401ks and pension funds for the avg american growing. It doubled the child tax credit from the Obumma era, it expanded the standard deduction for all middle class households to $25K

f you're talking about the 2013 tax hikes, Americans earning less than $250,000 were unaffected.
I was mainly talking about the 19 tax increases seen in 2010 primarily linked to Obummacare. But speaking of 2013 tax law changes....All those $$ millions earned by Obumma did have a positive influence on him too. He had to lock it some of those Bush cuts you guys whined about so much. Obumma began to realize his wallet would be impacted, and the economy would be impacted if he had listened to his rube base. Weird how those tax cuts from Bush continued to work, huh?


The law preserved lower, Bush-era income-tax brackets, with a top rate of 35% for taxpayers earning less than $400,000 and couples earning less than $450,000. The deal also made permanent the $1,000 child tax credit, up from $500, and the elimination of the so-called "marriage penalty" by allowing couples to take a standard deduction that was twice the size of the one available for singles. Meanwhile the estate tax -- a favorite of liberals and a longtime target of conservatives -- was pegged at 40%, with estates of less than about $5 million exempt. (Without the legislative fix that Obama signed, the top estate tax rate had been set to rise to 55%, and kick in on estates worth more than $1 million.)

While the law didn't receive universal Republican support, it grabbed votes from the Republicans likely to serve as key players in any upcoming Trump administration tax reform, including current House speaker Paul Ryan and current Ways and Means Chairmen Kevin Brady.

“After more than a decade of criticizing these tax cuts,” said then House Ways and Means Chairman, Dave Camp in 2013, “Democrats are finally joining Republicans in making them permanent. Republicans and the American people are getting something really important, permanent tax relief.”



Make the tax cuts permanent Mush Brain!! Dont raise the taxes on avg americans by letting the Trump tax cuts expire, starting in 2025.
 
Just imagine how much the economy could have boomed during Obumma had he not gone after businesses in 2010 tax increases. The compounding effects of these increases on the companies (aka employees and customers paying them for products and services) cant be ignored.

2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax (takes effect in Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance – as defined by Obama-appointed HHS bureaucrats — must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following:



1 Adult2 Adults3+ Adults
20141% AGI/$951% AGI/$1901% AGI/$285
20152% AGI/$3252% AGI/$6502% AGI/$975
2016 +2.5% AGI/$6952.5% AGI/$13902.5% AGI/$2085


The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that six million American families will be liable for the tax, and as Americans for Tax Reform has pointed out, 100 percent of Americans filing a tax return (140 million filers) will be forced to submit paperwork to the IRS showing they had “qualifying” health insurance for every month of the tax year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337)

3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax (takes effect Jan. 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346

Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income (Tax hike of $123 billion/takes effect Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93



Capital GainsDividendsOther*
2011-201215%15%35%
2013+ (current law)23.8%43.4%43.4%
2013+ (Obama budget)23.8%23.8%43.4%


*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans (Tax hike of $32 bil/takes effect Jan. 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956

6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax (Tax hike of $86.8 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Current law and changes:



First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee
All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee
Current Law1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
Obamacare Tax Hike1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed


Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93

7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax (Tax hike of $5 bil/took effect Jan. 2011): Americans are no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959

8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Tax hike of $1.4 bil/took effect Jan. 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959

9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Tax hike of $13 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (currently unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Tax hike of $20 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Medical device manufacturers 409,000 people in 12,000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3 percent excise tax on total sales, even if the respective company does not earn a profit. Exempts items retailing for <$100. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986

11. Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI (Tax hike of $15.2 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Tax hike of $2.7 billion/took effect July 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Making matters worse: According to a Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration report, the Obama IRS didn’t bother to issue compliance guidelines until three quarterly filing deadlines had passed: “By the time [IRS] notices were issued, tanning excise tax returns had been due for three quarters.” Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399

13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D (Tax hike of $4.5 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike (Tax hike of $0.4 bil/took effect Jan. 1 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004

15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/took effect immediately): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new “community health assessment needs,” “financial assistance,” and “billing and collection” rules set by Obama-appointed HHS bureaucrats. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971

16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Tax hike of $22.2 bil/took effect Jan. 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980

17. Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers (Tax hike of $60.1 bil/takes effect Jan. 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993
 
It kept business investment and innovation expanding.
It did not. Domestic private business investments have been trending up since the 60's.
It kept 401ks and pension funds for the avg american growing.
It did not. Pension plan assets have been growing since 1975.

All those $$ millions earned by Obumma did have a positive influence on him too. He had to lock it some of those Bush cuts you guys whined about so much. Obumma began to realize his wallet would be impacted, and the economy would be impacted if he had listened to his rube base. Weird how those tax cuts from Bush continued to work, huh?
You're an idiot.
 
Just imagine how much the economy could have boomed during Obumma had he not gone after businesses in 2010 tax increases.
Yeah those tax hikes destroyed the economy. Private business investment increased from 171 billion to 485 billion between 2010 and 2016. UE rate went from 9.8 in 2010 (thanks Bush) to 4.7 when leaving office. GDP increased from 14764 in 2010 to 18968 when leaving office (in billions).

Like I say often, you're an idiot.
 
Yeah those tax hikes destroyed the economy. Private business investment increased from 171 billion to 485 billion between 2010 and 2016. UE rate went from 9.8 in 2010 (thanks Bush) to 4.7 when leaving office. GDP increased from 14764 in 2010 to 18968 when leaving office (in billions).

Like I say often, you're an idiot.
I never said tax hikes destroyed the economy in 2010-2016. I said, think how much better the economy would have grown had they not been messed with.

The 9.8 UE rate shouldnt be looked at in a vacuum either. Tax rates had nothing to do with the real estate market implosion's effect on the economy in 2008-09 which led to the job decreases. The fact tax rates were kept low through that period and Obumma continued along that low tax rate path for individuals and approved the continued bailout path helped to save the system at that time.

But just think what could have been had his anti biz rhetoric (for you rubes) and $$Trillions sucked from the economy to fund a losing $$ govt bureaucracy (CMS-OC) would have yielded. I am thankful Obumma believes in low tax rates for individuals.
 
I never said tax hikes destroyed the economy in 2010-2016. I said, think how much better the economy would have grown had they not been messed with.

The 9.8 UE rate shouldnt be looked at in a vacuum either. Tax rates had nothing to do with the real estate market implosion's effect on the economy in 2008-09 which led to the job decreases. The fact tax rates were kept low through that period and Obumma continued along that low tax rate path for individuals and approved the continued bailout path helped to save the system at that time.

But just think what could have been had his anti biz rhetoric (for you rubes) and $$Trillions sucked from the economy to fund a losing $$ govt bureaucracy (CMS-OC) would have yielded. I am thankful Obumma believes in low tax rates for individuals.
When it comes to economics, most liberals only under what a journalist reports in a major news paper. The journalist generally has never stepped foot in an economics course or cares to educate themselves on the inner workings of what they are reporting, either. So, you end up with people who think everything involved with the economy happens in a vacuum. And you can forget any attempts at them seeing the possibility of growth being higher if the right policies were put in place.
 
I never said tax hikes destroyed the economy in 2010-2016. I said, think how much better the economy would have grown had they not been messed with.

The 9.8 UE rate shouldnt be looked at in a vacuum either. Tax rates had nothing to do with the real estate market implosion's effect on the economy in 2008-09 which led to the job decreases. The fact tax rates were kept low through that period and Obumma continued along that low tax rate path for individuals and approved the continued bailout path helped to save the system at that time.

But just think what could have been had his anti biz rhetoric (for you rubes) and $$Trillions sucked from the economy to fund a losing $$ govt bureaucracy (CMS-OC) would have yielded. I am thankful Obumma believes in low tax rates for individuals.
You're still an idiot and a liar.
 
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