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Some of your brethren on another site (who are working themselves into a frenzy) are saying the MBB is "Challenging" for the Top 25.

Since, you are the resident Marshall Basketball expert, and for those who are uninformed; like myself,
how is Marshall Basketball "Challenging" for the NCAAB Top 25.

Thanks!
 
Some of your brethren on another site (who are working themselves into a frenzy) are saying the MBB is "Challenging" for the Top 25.

Since, you are the resident Marshall Basketball expert, and for those who are uninformed; like myself,
how is Marshall Basketball "Challenging" for the NCAAB Top 25.

Thanks!
That's funny.

Maybe they meant top 125?
 
Some of your brethren on another site (who are working themselves into a frenzy) are saying the MBB is "Challenging" for the Top 25.

Since, you are the resident Marshall Basketball expert, and for those who are uninformed; like myself,
how is Marshall Basketball "Challenging" for the NCAAB Top 25.

Thanks!

MU basketball will be MU basketball...win big against someone we should...lose big against someone we shouldn't.
DD seems to be like Navy in football...get them on the right day, they'll pulverize you. If they're off, you win big.
 
DD’s done a nice job considering what he has to work with and how much we pay him.
If we can play better D and shoot from the outside well, we should have a very good season and post season.
WKU will be hard to beat.
 
DD’s done a nice job considering what he has to work with and how much we pay him.
If we can play better D and shoot from the outside well, we should have a very good season and post season.
WKU will be hard to beat.

"What he has to work with and how much we pay him"
???
He does do well with the talent he brings in and he's probably a better teacher than a coach. But lets not forget this board makes every recruit he brings in like they can walk on water before they even see the court.
He also has gone more for WV recruits, okay, thats fine, but that's on him if he purposely limits himself just to appease the fanbase.
As for money...
Dude co-owns a restaurant in Barboursville, coached basketball for decades, an assistant in the NBA for almost 10 years and now draws D1 HC salary in Huntington, WV.
Unless he buys a Ferrari every year, he isn't strapped for cash.
He also, despite some questionable performances in his tenure, is a lifer if he wants to be.
 
"What he has to work with and how much we pay him"
???
He does do well with the talent he brings in and he's probably a better teacher than a coach. But lets not forget this board makes every recruit he brings in like they can walk on water before they even see the court.
He also has gone more for WV recruits, okay, thats fine, but that's on him if he purposely limits himself just to appease the fanbase.
As for money...
Dude co-owns a restaurant in Barboursville, coached basketball for decades, an assistant in the NBA for almost 10 years and now draws D1 HC salary in Huntington, WV.
Unless he buys a Ferrari every year, he isn't strapped for cash.
He also, despite some questionable performances in his tenure, is a lifer if he wants to be.
Doc, Mike and DD are all millionaires. We don’t pay them as much as some G5 schools pay their coaches etc. but these guys are far from the soup line.
He’s in year 8, like Doc, he needs to bring home the goods - aka. A league title. Jmo
 
There are I believe 341 schools playing D1 basketball as compared to about 200 less than football. To make the top 25 in hoops is a FAR tougher deal than in football. Being in the top 50 is great for a school that doesn't put an emphasis on basketball like many other mid majors.
I would be thrilled to be a top 50 and maybe get a single digit seed in the NCAA tournament
 
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There are I believe 341 schools playing D1 basketball as compared to about 200 less than football. To make the top 25 in hoops is a FAR tougher deal than in football. Being in the top 50 is great for a school that doesn't put an emphasis on basketball like many other mid majors.
I would be thrilled to be a top 50 and maybe get a single digit seed in the NCAA tournament
I don't care about the top 25, while nice, that would be gravy. DD needs to win CUSA in the next year or so. He has the players, they have experience. Year 8. I like how the program is going and how we've done; but like Doc, the HC needs to win the league more than once in 10 years. jmo
 
There are I believe 341 schools playing D1 basketball as compared to about 200 less than football. To make the top 25 in hoops is a FAR tougher deal than in football. Being in the top 50 is great for a school that doesn't put an emphasis on basketball like many other mid majors.
I would be thrilled to be a top 50 and maybe get a single digit seed in the NCAA tournament

Great logic!!! There are only 60 Hockey teams in the NCAA. That puts our football team in the Top 5!
 
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Hey guys... Danny D is the only coach in the history of our basketball program to win an NCAA tournament game. He posts a winning record just about every season, has gone to multiple CUSA championship games, is an alumni and a native West Virginian, a former NBA assistant coach, a legendary high school coach, and he represents the university with dignity and pride.

I am not certain exactly who the hell some people think we should have as a head coach - Phil Jackson is retired, Mike D is busy as an assistant with the Nets, Coach K has a lifetime contract with Duke, Roy Williams is busy in Chapel Hill, and John Wooden has been pushing up daisies for about 10-years now. How about just support the guy we have instead! Danny D should be the head coach of the program until he decides he's done coaching.

How quickly we forget the Dwight Freeman, Tom Herrion, and Ron Jirsa debacles. Billy, Greg and Donnie had +.550 winning percentages but no sniff of the NCAA tournament. Danny D has done both and that includes a couple of years of rebuild when we really had a weak roster, followed by consistently being competitive.
 
There are I believe 341 schools playing D1 basketball as compared to about 200 less than football. To make the top 25 in hoops is a FAR tougher deal than in football. Being in the top 50 is great for a school that doesn't put an emphasis on basketball like many other mid majors.
I would be thrilled to be a top 50 and maybe get a single digit seed in the NCAA tournament

Does winning the CBI put MU in the top 50?
If so, the bar isn't set very high.
MU will likely never get a single digit seed in the tournament, they'd have to actually routinely beat P5 programs and compete with the elite...oh, and win CUSA more than they have.
 
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Hey guys... Danny D is the only coach in the history of our basketball program to win an NCAA tournament game. He posts a winning record just about every season, has gone to multiple CUSA championship games, is an alumni and a native West Virginian, a former NBA assistant coach, a legendary high school coach, and he represents the university with dignity and pride.

I am not certain exactly who the hell some people think we should have as a head coach - Phil Jackson is retired, Mike D is busy as an assistant with the Nets, Coach K has a lifetime contract with Duke, Roy Williams is busy in Chapel Hill, and John Wooden has been pushing up daisies for about 10-years now. How about just support the guy we have instead! Danny D should be the head coach of the program until he decides he's done coaching.

How quickly we forget the Dwight Freeman, Tom Herrion, and Ron Jirsa debacles. Billy, Greg and Donnie had +.550 winning percentages but no sniff of the NCAA tournament. Danny D has done both and that includes a couple of years of rebuild when we really had a weak roster, followed by consistently being competitive.
I don't think I've seen anyone say they wish we had another coach. Most are totally in with DD. Would be hard not to be. jmho
 
Hey guys... Danny D is the only coach in the history of our basketball program to win an NCAA tournament game. He posts a winning record just about every season, has gone to multiple CUSA championship games, is an alumni and a native West Virginian, a former NBA assistant coach, a legendary high school coach, and he represents the university with dignity and pride.

I am not certain exactly who the hell some people think we should have as a head coach - Phil Jackson is retired, Mike D is busy as an assistant with the Nets, Coach K has a lifetime contract with Duke, Roy Williams is busy in Chapel Hill, and John Wooden has been pushing up daisies for about 10-years now. How about just support the guy we have instead! Danny D should be the head coach of the program until he decides he's done coaching.

How quickly we forget the Dwight Freeman, Tom Herrion, and Ron Jirsa debacles. Billy, Greg and Donnie had +.550 winning percentages but no sniff of the NCAA tournament. Danny D has done both and that includes a couple of years of rebuild when we really had a weak roster, followed by consistently being competitive.


Thanks for chiming in Mrs. D,

I know you sure as hell are not comparing your husband to Coach K, Jackson, or Williams. Believe me he is NO Boeheim. Your husbands record is 113–92 (.551). If you take away the eight magical days in 2018 he is 108-91. Not exactly too stellar.

I believe what you and others are failing to see, in College Basketball you can have a dismal record and still catch fire in the conference tourny and turn a whole season around. Your husband has been MU's coach for 2150 days and only eight good ones to show for it. But plenty of embarrassment on the way. Losses to So. Miss, Presbyterian, Virginia's Ball Boy.


As for this year I believe he has already summed it up when talking about the inter-squad game.

Danny D's "presser" after this scrimmage was on the Paul Swann radio show yesterday. Half jokingly he commented that the "D" wasn't exactly at a high level during this game. Noted the shooting, especially the 3 pt. shooting %, even with Taylor being 1-10 from 3 pt. land.

Yes going to be just the last few years. Unorganized chaos. Expect another .500 season.
 
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I don't think I've seen anyone say they wish we had another coach. Most are totally in with DD. Would be hard not to be. jmho

DD is great with his charm and public persona. He is a good teacher of the game.
But both don't necessarily translate into wins.
In fact, DD has had some insane head scratching losses...and perhaps his media charm, allows him to skirt around answering the question of how he feels that UVA put their waterboy in against MU.

But as I said...the bar is set incredibly low for MBB with reality (DD won MU its only NCAA tournament game/CUSA title) vs. what is spoken about him (Oh! MU just picked up an unknown player in WV! I love his love for local talent!!!).
 
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Thanks for chiming in Mrs. D,

I know you sure as hell are not comparing your husband to Coach K, Jackson, or Williams. Believe me he is NO Boeheim. Your husbands record is 113–92 (.551). If you take away the eight magical days in 2018 he is 108-91. Not exactly too stellar.

I believe what you and others are failing to see, in College Basketball you can have a dismal record and still catch fire in the conference tourny and turn a whole season around. Your husband has been MU's coach for 2150 days and only eight good ones to show for it. But plenty of embarrassment on the way. Losses to So. Miss, Presbyterian, Virginia's Ball Boy.


As for this year I believe he has already summed it up when talking abuot the inter-squad game.

Danny D's "presser" after this scrimmage was on the Paul Swann radio show yesterday. Half jokingly he commented that the "D" wasn't exactly at a high level during this game. Noted the shooting, especially the 3 pt. shooting %, even with Taylor being 1-10 from 3 pt. land.

Yes going to be just the last few years. Unorganized chaos. Expect another .500 season.
Hey Johns.....wake up on the wrong side this morning? If you can't see the experience + new talent adding up to a great season you are blind. .500 season?
 
Hey Johns.....wake up on the wrong side this morning? If you can't see the experience + new talent adding up to a great season you are blind. .500 season?

Hear that ever year. In fact, elsewhere they are trying to convince themselves we have three NBA players on the team.
 
Thanks for chiming in Mrs. D,

I know you sure as hell are not comparing your husband to Coach K, Jackson, or Williams. Believe me he is NO Boeheim. Your husbands record is 113–92 (.551). If you take away the eight magical days in 2018 he is 108-91. Not exactly too stellar.

I believe what you and others are failing to see, in College Basketball you can have a dismal record and still catch fire in the conference tourny and turn a whole season around. Your husband has been MU's coach for 2150 days and only eight good ones to show for it. But plenty of embarrassment on the way. Losses to So. Miss, Presbyterian, Virginia's Ball Boy.


As for this year I believe he has already summed it up when talking about the inter-squad game.

Danny D's "presser" after this scrimmage was on the Paul Swann radio show yesterday. Half jokingly he commented that the "D" wasn't exactly at a high level during this game. Noted the shooting, especially the 3 pt. shooting %, even with Taylor being 1-10 from 3 pt. land.

Yes going to be just the last few years. Unorganized chaos. Expect another .500 season.
Hey Johns1124... do I know you well enough for you to be a wise-a$$? I dont think so, might want to back down a little bit with your wit their chief.

I actually was debating whether or not to be retaliatory in this follow-up, and decided you weren't worth the effort. What in my posting was not factual?

Wait... I'm suddenly inspired... don't reply a-hole... of course I am not saying Danny is Coach K, Phil Jackson or Roy Williams. Unless you're going to stop spending your wooden nickels on having crackhead hookers visit your mom's dump of a trailer and instead pony up a major donation to the athletic department (and I highly doubt that is in the cards), my point was that we probably have a coach that is appropriate to our station in the college basketball world. Now, don't go grab your keyboard and try to conjure up another "crafty response." How 'bout you just don't watch Herd Hoops and go find whatever community college that Herrion, Freeman, or Jirsa are coaching into oblivion. If it is so damn easy to get on a hot streak for eight days, then why has that happened exactly ONCE in the history of our program.

Frankly, I think Danny has done a good job. But I've been around basketball long enough and been a fan of Marshall basketball for 30+ years to know that you never become Mrs. Coach So-and-so. Danny is also 102-71 (.696 winning percentage) if you exclude his first year with Herrion's roster that had 2 legitimate mid-major D1 players. For comparison, Cam Henderson and Coach Huck were .695 and .686, respectively. Spin the data however you want... there is an NCAA Banner in the rafters from exactly ONE coach since 1987.

Johns, I'm sure you know more than a D'Antoni about basketball and that you would put in a wicked 5-pass offense from the Hickory Hoosiers, Wooden's full court press, and Dean Smith's defense from the video tapes you bought on line with lunch money from your mom. But in the meantime, I'm pretty alright with Danny D.
 
Hey Johns1124... do I know you well enough for you to be a wise-a$$? I dont think so, might want to back down a little bit with your wit their chief.

I actually was debating whether or not to be retaliatory in this follow-up, and decided you weren't worth the effort. What in my posting was not factual?

Wait... I'm suddenly inspired... don't reply a-hole... of course I am not saying Danny is Coach K, Phil Jackson or Roy Williams. Unless you're going to stop spending your wooden nickels on having crackhead hookers visit your mom's dump of a trailer and instead pony up a major donation to the athletic department (and I highly doubt that is in the cards), my point was that we probably have a coach that is appropriate to our station in the college basketball world. Now, don't go grab your keyboard and try to conjure up another "crafty response." How 'bout you just don't watch Herd Hoops and go find whatever community college that Herrion, Freeman, or Jirsa are coaching into oblivion. If it is so damn easy to get on a hot streak for eight days, then why has that happened exactly ONCE in the history of our program.

Frankly, I think Danny has done a good job. But I've been around basketball long enough and been a fan of Marshall basketball for 30+ years to know that you never become Mrs. Coach So-and-so. Danny is also 102-71 (.696 winning percentage) if you exclude his first year with Herrion's roster that had 2 legitimate mid-major D1 players. For comparison, Cam Henderson and Coach Huck were .695 and .686, respectively. Spin the data however you want... there is an NCAA Banner in the rafters from exactly ONE coach since 1987.

Johns, I'm sure you know more than a D'Antoni about basketball and that you would put in a wicked 5-pass offense from the Hickory Hoosiers, Wooden's full court press, and Dean Smith's defense from the video tapes you bought on line with lunch money from your mom. But in the meantime, I'm pretty alright with Danny D.

You said, 'my point was that we probably have a coach that is appropriate to our station in the college basketball world. If it is so damn easy to get on a hot streak for eight days, then why has that happened exactly ONCE in the history of our program.'

If that is true, then MU is NOT a top 25 team.
So we shouldn't watch if we don't like, but are supposed to believe someone is good when plenty of game final scores would dictate otherwise? Talk about spin.
Just based on MU's history proves this.

MU has had 1 NCAA tournament win in its history...and nobody is expecting the next coach K to be here...we got DD and 1 CUSA title since his hiring.

I also won't forget Herrion, he got MU much further in the tournament than anyone else had prior...when the conference had Memphis and MU just had a marathon set of OT's a few hours before. So, while he wasn't the best, he got MU at its best (and he beat wvu) at the time.

"Danny is also 102-71 (.696 winning percentage) if you exclude his first year with Herrion's roster that had 2 legitimate mid-major D1 players."

So, he couldn't win with legit mid major D1 players? Are we supposed to toss the one season that really could have showed what he could do?
 
You said, 'my point was that we probably have a coach that is appropriate to our station in the college basketball world. If it is so damn easy to get on a hot streak for eight days, then why has that happened exactly ONCE in the history of our program.'

If that is true, then MU is NOT a top 25 team.
So we shouldn't watch if we don't like, but are supposed to believe someone is good when plenty of game final scores would dictate otherwise? Talk about spin.
Just based on MU's history proves this.

MU has had 1 NCAA tournament win in its history...and nobody is expecting the next coach K to be here...we got DD and 1 CUSA title since his hiring.

I also won't forget Herrion, he got MU much further in the tournament than anyone else had prior...when the conference had Memphis and MU just had a marathon set of OT's a few hours before. So, while he wasn't the best, he got MU at its best (and he beat wvu) at the time.

"Danny is also 102-71 (.696 winning percentage) if you exclude his first year with Herrion's roster that had 2 legitimate mid-major D1 players."

So, he couldn't win with legit mid major D1 players? Are we supposed to toss the one season that really could have showed what he could do?
If you have two D1 players and the other team has 12... gonna be a bit of an uphill battle - I don't care who the coach is or what jerseys kids are wearing. This team is 0-0... got a talented roster, but since the advent of the shot clock and three point line, when have we had a pre-season Top 25 team? I never put forward that Marshall should be ranked in the Top 25... I just tried to point out that we had a pretty darn good coach and I think we should appreciate that fact. Herrion was a really great guy- wouldnt dispute that... but we were in shambles 24-41 the last two years was just not okay.
 
If you have two D1 players and the other team has 12... gonna be a bit of an uphill battle - I don't care who the coach is or what jerseys kids are wearing. This team is 0-0... got a talented roster, but since the advent of the shot clock and three point line, when have we had a pre-season Top 25 team? I never put forward that Marshall should be ranked in the Top 25... I just tried to point out that we had a pretty darn good coach and I think we should appreciate that fact. Herrion was a really great guy- wouldnt dispute that... but we were in shambles 24-41 the last two years was just not okay.

Perhaps I misread as "legit D1 players" as stellar and exceptionally good players on a roster of average guys.

I find it convenient that everyone hypes DD and the team up every year and proclaim,"have you seen DD walk on water? Its cool! MU is poised to contend this year." Then, the team doesn't win and vastly underperforms and it's, "Well gosh darn can DD deliver a great speech! I love that he said, 'hi' to me, he just loves MU. We are lucky to have DD...forget the 50 pt loss to a P5 school."
 
Perhaps I misread as "legit D1 players" as stellar and exceptionally good players on a roster of average guys.

I find it convenient that everyone hypes DD and the team up every year and proclaim,"have you seen DD walk on water? Its cool! MU is poised to contend this year." Then, the team doesn't win and vastly underperforms and it's, "Well gosh darn can DD deliver a great speech! I love that he said, 'hi' to me, he just loves MU. We are lucky to have DD...forget the 50 pt loss to a P5 school."
Its great to have you supporting Marshall University!
 
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Hey Johns1124... do I know you well enough for you to be a wise-a$$? I dont think so, might want to back down a little bit with your wit their chief.

I actually was debating whether or not to be retaliatory in this follow-up, and decided you weren't worth the effort. What in my posting was not factual?

Wait... I'm suddenly inspired... don't reply a-hole... of course I am not saying Danny is Coach K, Phil Jackson or Roy Williams. Unless you're going to stop spending your wooden nickels on having crackhead hookers visit your mom's dump of a trailer and instead pony up a major donation to the athletic department (and I highly doubt that is in the cards), my point was that we probably have a coach that is appropriate to our station in the college basketball world. Now, don't go grab your keyboard and try to conjure up another "crafty response." How 'bout you just don't watch Herd Hoops and go find whatever community college that Herrion, Freeman, or Jirsa are coaching into oblivion. If it is so damn easy to get on a hot streak for eight days, then why has that happened exactly ONCE in the history of our program.

Frankly, I think Danny has done a good job. But I've been around basketball long enough and been a fan of Marshall basketball for 30+ years to know that you never become Mrs. Coach So-and-so. Danny is also 102-71 (.696 winning percentage) if you exclude his first year with Herrion's roster that had 2 legitimate mid-major D1 players. For comparison, Cam Henderson and Coach Huck were .695 and .686, respectively. Spin the data however you want... there is an NCAA Banner in the rafters from exactly ONE coach since 1987.

Johns, I'm sure you know more than a D'Antoni about basketball and that you would put in a wicked 5-pass offense from the Hickory Hoosiers, Wooden's full court press, and Dean Smith's defense from the video tapes you bought on line with lunch money from your mom. But in the meantime, I'm pretty alright with Danny D.

Boy, that's the second time tonight I have heard the line "do I know you well enough for you to be a". Must be high school night at Herdnation. But, anyway let me address some of your 50's style allegations and innuendos.

Wooden Nickels? Not in this century.
Dump of a Trailer? Seriously? My dump is dam near 7 digits, and LA taxes are killing me every half.

Danny is also 102-71 (.696 winning percentage) - You better go tell ESPN and Wiki they are wrong cause they have him at 113–92 (.551)

How 'bout? What are you Canadian? Herrion I don't know about, but Freeman coached at Miami after MU (the real one) and now I think he is selling insurance or something totally out of the game. Rumor is he is looking for his long lost brother to ride his shirt tail to the next gig.

"Johns, I'm sure you know more than a D'Antoni about basketball and that you would put in a wicked 5-pass offense from the Hickory Hoosiers, Wooden's full court press, and Dean Smith's defense from the video tapes you bought on line with lunch money from your mom"

Boy, your geriatric ass likes making comments about peoples family members. Why don't you direct comments to me?

NCAA Banner in the rafters from exactly ONE coach since 1987. About time right? Maybe, the stars lined up and it was just our time. How was the follow up years? I know.. we won a pay to play, when some thought we were on our way to the final four.

Now if you want to continue talking your trash, we can take it to Pullman. Raoul and Rifle are on a roll tonight.
 
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Hear that ever year. In fact, elsewhere they are trying to convince themselves we have three NBA players on the team.
I’m not saying 3, but I believe Kinsey could have a shot, depending on how much he improves over this season & next. I do think it’s ludicrous to cast aside this team because Marshall “never has” a good bball team. + if you look at DD’s body of work over time, he consistently produces a winning record. More than likely he will be the winningest HBC in Marshall history after this season, excluding a guy named Henderson. Plug “Doc” in place of DD & many on here would say “hell yeah!”.
Why do we perennially tout Herd football as the next great NY6 contender before the first time shoe meets leather, but dismiss any possibility that the men’s hoops team is anything other than garbage before the first jump ball? “Doc has found some real diamonds in the rough” vs “Danny f’d up again & brought in inferior 304 players” I didn’t realize being a Marshall die hard involved choosing to order off the menu at a eatery famous for its buffet.....
 
GHMY - you obviously did not witness the Herrion years.....he rode the talent given to him, then lost control of the players, faked a heart attack in the middle of a game & snuck out of town after his clusterf*ck caused his ass to be fired. I, along with many thought he was great until he wasn’t. A snake oil salesman would be jealous! Another Kayo Marcum special on a “fast dime”, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.
 
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Silly me, I always thought it was tougher to beat out 341 scools than 130. Excuse me for getting my math wrong.

How many of those schools does Marshall actually have to beat to matter?

Only 13 teams...all in CUSA...win the conference and you'll go to the Big Dance, which matters most.
No NCAA selection group is going to look at CUSA beyond its champion, ever.
So, you win the tournament...and with less than stellar records, you can actually matter.
Marshall struggles to do that on a constant basis.
 
GHMY - you obviously did not witness the Herrion years.....he rode the talent given to him, then lost control of the players, faked a heart attack in the middle of a game & snuck out of town after his clusterf*ck caused his ass to be fired. I, along with many thought he was great until he wasn’t. A snake oil salesman would be jealous! Another Kayo Marcum special on a “fast dime”, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.

Herrion, regardless, did more with MU's basketball team than anyone had before if we're just measuring a single season. It was 1 season, but so is the heralded DD...having 1 season to brag. Herrion could also occasionally beat a big name team or two.

Kayo didn't hire him, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about with that.

But back to DD...he's very average but is spoken about as being above average...and it shows the expectations of MU basketball are low with the record.
 
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Thank you. From attending games, graduating, and being a BG member, I do what I can!
I graduated from Florida. Never set foot in a Marshall classroom but became an alumni association member in 1975 and Big Green since 1980.
By the way, unlike you I support every Marshall sport and coach. I may not always agree with a coach but I don't go on a public board so recruits and their parents can see it.
Obviously you know my previous post to you was pure sarcasm!
 
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I’m not saying 3, but I believe Kinsey could have a shot, depending on how much he improves over this season & next. I do think it’s ludicrous to cast aside this team because Marshall “never has” a good bball team. + if you look at DD’s body of work over time, he consistently produces a winning record. More than likely he will be the winningest HBC in Marshall history after this season, excluding a guy named Henderson. Plug “Doc” in place of DD & many on here would say “hell yeah!”.
Why do we perennially tout Herd football as the next great NY6 contender before the first time shoe meets leather, but dismiss any possibility that the men’s hoops team is anything other than garbage before the first jump ball? “Doc has found some real diamonds in the rough” vs “Danny f’d up again & brought in inferior 304 players” I didn’t realize being a Marshall die hard involved choosing to order off the menu at a eatery famous for its buffet.....

Perennially? Nobody says MU is an NY6 contender after loss #1. MU is currently undefeated and at its highest ranking in decades.
I doubt anyone really thought MU would escape the schedule unbeaten, which is the only way they'd have even been mentioned for NY6...and that was prior to COVID.
It just seems like MU has been mentioned all the time because it has dominated the boards since MU got ranked.

The rest of your post has been debated already to a stalemate but...

Its perception:
Dan, the personality of a chocolate lab puppy.
Dan, recruits within WV.
Dan, an alumni of MU.
Dan, spent time in the NBA and HS coaching circles.
Dan, CUSA runner up in year 3, won CUSA in year 4...advanced to 2nd round of NCAA tournament. CIT Champion in year 5.
Dan, finished 17-15 in 2019, tournament cancelled.

Doc, personality of a fried lobster.
Doc, recruits FL and out of state.
Doc, alumni of wvu.
Doc, spent time in some of the best NCAA football programs.
Doc, CUSA runner up in year 3, won CUSA in year 4. Bowl record 6-1.
Doc, currently 5-0 and #15 in the country.

Dan is fairly new when compared to Doc, but both in terms of what they are, as personalities and coaching approaches, they couldn't be .ore opposite.
In terms of coaching accomplishments?
Both are damn near the same.

But the perception?
Who has had overwhelmingly more threads calling for:
He to be fired.
Won't win the game.
Terrible coaching calls.
Reminders that MU sucks and will never be a powerhouse G5 program.
Attacking the talents of individual players.
Attacking the AD for hiring him.
Complains when his team wins a game.
Complains the team doesn't score enough points.
Complains about black on the uniforms (when the other head coach sells t-shirts and wears t-shirts with green on black).
Says the only reason he wins is because the schedule is easy.
Gets mad when MU finishes 2nd or 3rd in the division when the other routinely finishes 4th or higher in the standings and gets a pass.

Should I go on?

Maybe its because Dan is likeable, and has a charm about him that y'all lap up out of hand.
Maybe because Doc gets 2nd and 3rd chance players and some fizzle out, and make bad news.
Maybe its because Doc is a wvu guy and nobody can seem to let that down.

Fact is, both have done well for MU. Both are loyal to MU. Both represent MU well in their practices.

But one, the effort is given to complain first, the other, the effort is to praise first.
 
I graduated from Florida. Never set foot in a Marshall classroom but became an alumni association member in 1975 and Big Green since 1980.
By the way, unlike you I support every Marshall sport and coach. I may not always agree with a coach but I don't go on a public board so recruits and their parents can see it.
Obviously you know my previous post to you was pure sarcasm!

Hahaha, this board has made it a habit of attacking coaches with football, but its also pretty bad with the players...the favorite adjective to describe them is "mediocre."
The posts on IG's ability as a player, are particularly horrible.

Game threads used to be pretty bad when someone dropped a pass or if the offense was slow, you'd think it were a rival team's board and not the home team's board.
 
Herrion, regardless, did more with MU's basketball team than anyone had before if we're just measuring a single season. It was 1 season, but so is the heralded DD...having 1 season to brag. Herrion could also occasionally beat a big name team or two.

Kayo didn't hire him, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about with that.

But back to DD...he's very average but is spoken about as being above average...and it shows the expectations of MU basketball are low with the record.
GHMY - I goofed on the AD; Hamrick hired Herrion......Didn’t remember Mike being here that far back! Thanks for catching it.
 
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GHMY - I goofed on the AD; Hamrick hired Herrion......Didn’t remember Mike being here that far back! Thanks for catching it.
One reason Hamrick hired Herrion was due to his relationship with Tom's brother coaching at ECU when Hamrick was there
 
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