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hilary says magic word "radical islamic terrorist" problem solved no more terrorism

Raoul Duke MU said:
You are ignorant of history. From the abolition movement to the civil rights movement, it was church leaders and other Christians that denounced the "Christian" arguments for slavery and stood against the KKK and shamed them for their beliefs. And that was at a time when it is pretty much OK in a lot of places to think blacks were inferior just as God wanted it.

If one percent of Muslims really are the problem, then I would think pushing most Muslims to fight the problem would be beneficial.

I am very willing to bet that fundamentalist Muslims make up a very high percentage of Muslim immigrants in the last 20 to 30 years...many of the educated, moderate ones got the hell out of their homelands when this shit really started taking root in the 50s to 70s.
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You're ignorant about a lot of things. No one has stated that shaming people or denouncing them for their actions is not beneficial. What I stated is that no one has provided evidence that calling right wing extremists by the name of right wing extremists has improved anything.

A multitude of moderate muslims work to denounce and prevent radicalism.

I read that the more educated muslims in many instances are the more "fundamentalist".
 
extragreen said:
You're ignorant about a lot of things. No one has stated that shaming people or denouncing them for their actions is not beneficial. What I stated is that no one has provided evidence that calling right wing extremists by the name of right wing extremists has improved anything.

A multitude of moderate muslims work to denounce and prevent radicalism.

I read that the more educated muslims in many instances are the more "fundamentalist".
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I just did provide historical evidence. God, you are dumber than a sack of rocks.

Multitude my ass. Their lobbying groups and some clerics have, sure. And a "multitude" (what a fvcking ambiguous word for you to use) have also kept their mouths shut when radicals are in their midst. Cancer is removed from within a body, period. Do I want to call them all a bunch of corksuckers and shame them? No. But calling a spade a spade is the first step to pushing from cooperation, and that cooperation must be global and not just in the US. We have to have a dialogue with Saudi Arabia and other nations about exactly what the hell some of them are supporting and get their own people to put the heat on.

Your last statement, link please. Saudi Arabia alone had a large brain drain, especially to Europe, during the time frame I cited. Little known reality about SA: most jobs there are government jobs. The pay is decent. People with more ambition have been leaving for a while now. Now, if you want to argue the younger educated generation, which faces lack of employment opportunities due to declining oil revenue and insufficient economic diversification, is ripe for radicalization, I would agree with you. Personally, I think these are the people we should be picking the cream of the crop from for immigration, not the poor and marginalized that are beyond ripe for radicalization.
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
I just did provide historical evidence. God, you are dumber than a sack of rocks.

Multitude my ass. Their lobbying groups and some clerics have, sure. And a "multitude" (what a fvcking ambiguous word for you to use) have also kept their mouths shut when radicals are in their midst. Cancer is removed from within a body, period. Do I want to call them all a bunch of corksuckers and shame them? No. But calling a spade a spade is the first step to pushing from cooperation, and that cooperation must be global and not just in the US. We have to have a dialogue with Saudi Arabia and other nations about exactly what the hell some of them are supporting and get their own people to put the heat on.

Your last statement, link please. Saudi Arabia alone had a large brain drain, especially to Europe, during the time frame I cited. Little known reality about SA: most jobs there are government jobs. The pay is decent. People with more ambition have been leaving for a while now. Now, if you want to argue the younger educated generation, which faces lack of employment opportunities due to declining oil revenue and insufficient economic diversification, is ripe for radicalization, I would agree with you. Personally, I think these are the people we should be picking the cream of the crop from for immigration, not the poor and marginalized that are beyond ripe for radicalization.
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Until the orlando massacre, there had been more people killed by far right wing attacks than that of violent jihadists. If calling right wing extremist by the name of right wing extremist is improving the situation, I would think that statistic wouldn't be true. Moron.

No one said ALL muslims were denouncing and attempting to prevent radicalism and muslim violence. Moron.

"In addition, political radicals were, on average, slightly more educated and more affluent than the moderates, suggesting that
the root causes of extremism typically do not include manipulation of the ignorant by religious
superstition or promises of economic assistance."

http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PDF/ExtremismInMuslimWorld.pdf
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
So Orlando finally pushed it past with 9/11 and the others? That's a good showing by Islam considering we have had right wing extremists killing folks since the Salem witch trails. Batting strong in the ninth, yay Islam!



You said multitude. Moron.

Moron.
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No, this is after 911. So it's not included.
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
So Orlando finally pushed it past with 9/11 and the others? That's a good showing by Islam considering we have had right wing extremists killing folks since the Salem witch trails. Batting strong in the ninth, yay Islam!

You said multitude. Moron.

Moron.
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Until the orlando massacre, there had been more people killed by far right wing attacks than that of violent jihadists *since 911. Since we've had right wing extremists since the Salem witch trials, and since calling them right wing extremists would reduce right wing extremism, I guess we should have started calling them right wing extremists several centuries ago. moron


Multitude does not mean ALL....moron.
 
Actually, we pretty much did call them extremists. Laws were passed to compensate the victims and families, and laws were passed to prevent future bullshit like that. Most historians argue the public and political response to the witch trials destroyed any chance of theocracy in the formation of the nation, and was a great influence on the idea of American religious freedom.

Also, Islamic extremists have been fvcking with us since before the Revolution, and continued to do so after the Revolution, leading to the first killing of our enemies overseas and the first planting of the American flag on foreign soil.

It's like you never went to college, and wasn't well educated in high school, to boot.
 
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It requires an idiot to not see that the right wing extremism has still occurred for the last 300 years even though "we pretty much did call them right wing extremists", and of course that took care of the problem.
 
extragreen said:
It requires an idiot to not see that the right wing extremism has still occurred for the last 300 years even though "we pretty much did call them right wing extremists", and of course that took care of the problem.
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Everything comes and goes in waves. Time is a pendulum. An excellent book on the continual rise and fall of American religious conservatism and extremism is "Hellfire Nation" by James Monroe. We are always one swing away from crackpot right to crackpot left. Of course I doubt anyone could count on you to call out the crackpot left....
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
Thus, it takes an idiot to see that extremism comes and goes precisely because it is called out and fought...then another generation forgets that shit and here it comes again...
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And all because of the name we call it. You should inform those that need to know this, but I doubt you want them to laugh in your face.
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
Like we all laugh at you here on a daily basis?

Do you think problems are solved by ignoring them? Hell, most of us have had you on ignore at some point yet you won't go away.
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Ok then, if you're laughing at me, why, I'll just change my mind on everything. Be patient while I do that. It might take a while.

Did I say we should ignore the problem?

I don't care at all if I'm ignored. Which poster who ignores me do you think would break my heart?
 
Everything? Nah, we agree on some stuff.

Look, you can disagree with this all you want. You probably feel those who want to call it Islamic radicalism are Obama bashing. And many are. Not me. He is wrong on this. We need to have a long talk with Muslim nations worldwide about the cancer in their midst. Those who support the cancer, like Saudi Arabia, need to be dealt with.
 
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I'm used to the Obama bashing, no big deal. I totally disagree that it does any good to call it radical Islam. If there were Christians doing the same thing as the terrorists, you would garner no more support from me than what you were already getting if you called it radical christianity. Matter of fact I might be less inclined, as they would not represent me or my faith. I am assuming normal Muslims feel the same way.
 
For reference. If you don't think it is radical islam them well sorry for you. I have studied this shi*. It is also just not about religion. It is about control, way of life, and structured society just like the freakin' Nazis. They have declared war on the west and now us. This shi8 goes back decades.

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Bio of 9-11 group leader Mohammed Atta. These ass bags are no dummies in many cases. They act just like special operators would. The guy in orlando did the same thing. He wasn't just at the club a few times so he could find a dick to suck. He was planning his operation. Just like the 9-11 guys. Very well coordinated. These ass clowns were trained in hand to hand combat. Were smart and had a strategy down to who would take the pilots out. How they would kill someone to distract the crew. They knew tendancies of the airlines and planned it all out.
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Terrorist Mohamed Atta was born in Egypt in 1968. He studied at Cairo University, earning his degree in 1990. Atta then studied at Hamburg Technical University for several years, completing his studies in 1999. While a student, he traveled to Afghanistan where he trained with al Qaeda. In 2001, Atta went to the United States, where he trained as a flight pilot in Florida. During the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Atta is believed to have piloted American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the World Trade Center.
 
And if you don't think radical christianity is a big problem in this country, you better do some more studying.
 
extragreen said:
And if you don't think radical christianity is a big problem in this country, you better do some more studying.
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Well, I guess it can be of course. But, this is a global threat influenced by outside forces. So, they are two different animals.

I also saw tonight that radical islamist have killed 90 plus Americans since 9-11. What are deemed radical christian nut jobs is about half that number. But, there is a bigger picture as they can influence economies, trade, markets, resources, etc. There is a reason we have lots of military operations going on in Africa and such.

Radical Islam is much more of a global threat on a major scale that radical christian wack jobs.
 
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i am herdman said:
Well, I guess it can be of course. But, this is a global threat influenced by outside forces. So, they are two different animals.

I also saw tonight that radical islamist have killed 90 plus Americans since 9-11. What are deemed radical christian nut jobs is about half that number. But, there is a bigger picture as they can influence economies, trade, markets, resources, etc. There is a reason we have lots of military operations going on in Africa and such.

Radical Islam is much more of a global threat on a major scale that radical christian wack jobs.
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Until the orlando massacre, the right wing terrorists were winning the body count 48-45 since 911.

In one year alone (2013) in the U S, 16,000 people died from homicide. One year. And you're running scared from the people who committed 94 in America over a 15 year span. This is insanity, pure and simple.

You might want to check on radical christian terrorism globally.

We don't have military operations in many places that don't have oil reserves.
 
i am herdman said:
Well, I guess it can be of course. But, this is a global threat influenced by outside forces. So, they are two different animals.

I also saw tonight that radical islamist have killed 90 plus Americans since 9-11. What are deemed radical christian nut jobs is about half that number. But, there is a bigger picture as they can influence economies, trade, markets, resources, etc. There is a reason we have lots of military operations going on in Africa and such.

Radical Islam is much more of a global threat on a major scale that radical christian wack jobs.
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This post will be ignored by the uneducated in this thread. They will totally miss the first sentence, which is an example of an adult having a discussion, acknowledging the point of another with an opposing view and then going on to expand on his counterpoint. No "Moron" after the statement or at the end of post. Just a grown up man making a grown up post.
 
Rock98Dog said:
This post will be ignored by the uneducated in this thread. They will totally miss the first sentence, which is an example of an adult having a discussion, acknowledging the point of another with an opposing view and then going on to expand on his counterpoint. No "Moron" after the statement or at the end of post. Just a grown up man making a grown up post.
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This post ^^ will be accepted by the uneducated in this thread as an example of logic and clear thinking, and they will totally miss the the point being made that only those who agree with his opinion can be adults who make valid points. The above poster considers the person he's idolizing as grown up with a grown up post while failing to acknowledge the same poster has called someone dtard and turd in this thread alone, and who as often as not begins a response to me as "greed". YOU have no business determining what is and what is not a mature post, and we know that simply by using YOUR posts as evidence. Moron.
 
If you are going to keep calling everyone "moron", I suggest you spend a little time reviewing Matthew 5:22.
 
i am herdman said:
Well, I guess it can be of course. But, this is a global threat influenced by outside forces. So, they are two different animals.

I also saw tonight that radical islamist have killed 90 plus Americans since 9-11. What are deemed radical christian nut jobs is about half that number. But, there is a bigger picture as they can influence economies, trade, markets, resources, etc. There is a reason we have lots of military operations going on in Africa and such.

Radical Islam is much more of a global threat on a major scale that radical christian wack jobs.
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This is what EG doesn't get. It has widespread ramifications. There are wealthy, well-armed nation-states funding this shit

There was a time in this country when radical Christians (the KKK) had local and state government support. It affected large areas of this country. It was dealt with, and called what it was.
 
Did you review Matthew 5:22? If so, how do you interpret the passage as it pertains to constantly calling everyone "morons"?
 
what was the last sovereign country "radical Christians" invaded to establish a government based on their religious beliefs?
 
Rock98Dog said:
Did you review Matthew 5:22? If so, how do you interpret the passage as it pertains to constantly calling everyone "morons"?
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First, the word moron is not found in the KJV. Wanna try something else?Secondly, maybe you should read it yourself and see if you can figure out WHO is being told not to call WHO a fool. Thirdly, read it and see if you can figure out what the meaning of fool is in the Bible. Lastly, don't even break out the synonym argument. That won't work either.
 
extragreen said:
First, the word moron is not found in the KJV. Wanna try something else?Secondly, maybe you should read it yourself and see if you can figure out WHO is being told not to call WHO a fool. Thirdly, read it and see if you can figure out what the meaning of fool is in the Bible. Lastly, don't even break out the synonym argument. That won't work either.
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What does L Ron and xenu say about calling people morons?
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
This is what EG doesn't get. It has widespread ramifications. There are wealthy, well-armed nation-states funding this shit

There was a time in this country when radical Christians (the KKK) had local and state government support. It affected large areas of this country. It was dealt with, and called what it was.
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What you dont get is that you are doing exactly what the terrorists want you to do, and that is to equate Islam with their terrorist acts. If someone hijacks a plane, it's not the plane's fault. If someone hijacks Islam, it's not Islam's fault. "Christians"s and "Muslims" are committing atrocities against each other in the Central African Republic and that's exactly what they want.....holy war.
 
extragreen said:
What you dont get is that you are doing exactly what the terrorists want you to do, and that is to equate Islam with their terrorist acts. If someone hijacks a plane, it's not the plane's fault. If someone hijacks Islam, it's not Islam's fault. "Christians"s and "Muslims" are committing atrocities against each other in the Central African Republic and that's exactly what they want.....holy war.
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But if some one uses a gun it's the guns fault right?
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
Horseshit, because that is not what I am doing. I would argue the radicals actually want the rest of Muslims to equate Islam with what they believe.
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That's exactly what you're doing if you call it radical islam. If you take the islam out of radical islam, they're left with radical.
 
extragreen said:
That's exactly what you're doing if you call it radical islam. If you take the islam out of radical islam, they're left with radical.
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But Islam is exactly what is being radicalized. If you just call them radicals you are ignoring the foundation of their believes, they are taking the Islamic religion and apply their radical thought process to it as a basis for their actions, i.e. they are radical Islamist. The left has absolutely no problem using the phase Christian radicals. I mean, just google it and see how many links to lefty publications pop up.
 
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extragreen said:
First, the word moron is not found in the KJV. Wanna try something else?Secondly, maybe you should read it yourself and see if you can figure out WHO is being told not to call WHO a fool. Thirdly, read it and see if you can figure out what the meaning of fool is in the Bible. Lastly, don't even break out the synonym argument. That won't work either.
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Would like to be there when you try and argue that with Jesus on judgement day. You won't be able to think you win that debate by posting links and calling him a moron.
 
Rock98Dog said:
But Islam is exactly what is being radicalized. If you just call them radicals you are ignoring the foundation of their believes, they are taking the Islamic religion and apply their radical thought process to it as a basis for their actions, i.e. they are radical Islamist. The left has absolutely no problem using the phase Christian radicals. I mean, just google it and see how many links to lefty publications pop up.
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No, islam is being hijacked. If the terrorists can get us to equate all muslims with them, then they get what they want. If that's not what the terrorists want, then what is it? Just to cause some violence? They like explosions?
 
Rock98Dog said:
Would like to be there when you try and argue that with Jesus on judgement day. You won't be able to think you win that debate by posting links and calling him a moron.
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No one is going to do any arguing on judgement day. No one. And you won't be disrespecting anyone about where they live or arguing that Jesus doesn't know what he's talking about because he didn't go to college. Moron.
 
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