How's He Doing?
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I never understood people posting polling numbers. It doesn't change the fact that trump is president. It didn't change the fact bush was president. It didn't change the fact obama was president. Everyone knows trump sucks and is disliked except for the few on here that support him no matter what, cough cough herdman.
It's not an attempt to get him to not be president. It is proof that the morons who support him on here are in the minority in this country. But they already knew that since they lost by 3 million votes.
Who takes these polls? I've never met anyone that has been polled outside of 2-3 months prior to an election.
Last I checked, Donald J Trump is still POTUS. I don't need a poll every week telling me how he is doing.
Obummer sucked, but media skewed-polls showed a different result. Hillary the criminal had good polling numbers. In the end, polls turned out to be another snowflake false scorecard.
(Liberals love Fake.)
Obummer sucked, but media skewed-polls showed a different result. Hillary the criminal had good polling numbers. In the end, polls turned out to be another snowflake false scorecard.
(Liberals love Fake.)
yep. ABC/Wash Poo. I am sure no bias in those polls........
The same "news" orgs that were polling Hillary landslide victories.
The same "news" orgs that were polling Hillary landslide victories.
The popularity, or lack thereof, of POTUS certainly has an effect on getting his agenda through. Or in this case, also the agenda of Congress. Trump's unpopularity has made the Senate health care bill harder to pass, for example. Trump does not have much of a bully pulpit when only a third of the country thinks he is worth a shit.
What I would like to see is how the question on Trump making progress towards his goals was handled. If it was only asked of Trump voters or current supporters, that would be interesting.
Please the GOP was never going to pass anything meaningful with the media and Dems screaming people will die. You know it and I know it
Yet Obama and the Democrats passed something meaningful with the Republicans and right media screaming death panels, which 30% of Americans believed (that's a real number, you can look it up). Public opinion of the law was pretty much split...with Obama's approval rating was hovering around 50% then...there's your split. Now check the approval ratings of the Senate bill...it runs a similar percentage to support of Trump. Public support of POTUS when both houses and the White House are owned by one party makes a difference.
And a lot of those are Trump voters...maybe enough to swing a few states. McConnell is in a real pickle here, even in his own state (his approval rating is now below 50% in KY).
GOP shouldn't have touched it. It was doomed from day one about to collapse and basically become obsolete.
All Bummercare did is to mandate insurance for everyone. Nothing changed in who was paying for the so-called uninsured.
People with jobs get insurance provided by an employer. Rich and middle class working people still paying for the uninsured. It is not the government's job to provide insurance for everyone.
Yeah--just keep the immigrants coming. Just stop the whining because price is increasing,
All Bummercare did is to mandate insurance for everyone. Nothing changed in who was paying for the so-called uninsured.
People with jobs get insurance provided by an employer. Rich and middle class working people still paying for the uninsured. It is not the government's job to provide insurance for everyone.
Yeah--just keep the immigrants coming. Just stop the whining because price is increasing,
Raoul when the vast majority of the press is positive as was the case with Obamacare vs the vast majority being negative as is with the republican bill you can't tell me that doesn't sway public opinion. If the media was honest about both bills neither one would pass
1) Two states alone should not be given the power or authority to pick the POTUS.
2) Had the same scenario played out except Killary won, you would be perfectly fine with the Electoral College system.
1. Two states cannot currently pick the President
2. Not true. I have pointed to 2004 as en example of how close we were to seeing Kerry elected, despite losing the popular vote as a reason why we need to revamp our electoral college.
I don't recall the media being all that positive about Obamacare. Shit, it was a conservative idea. I remember the media saying we would be better off with single payer.
We are talking about only a 20% difference in support here. That really isn't much if you are trying to argue some positive love of Obamacare. It means at any given time in this debate half the people are not happy with shit.
The Republicans problem is twofold. First, they dicked around for seven years while getting elected saying they would appeal Obamacare and replace it with something cheaper and better. A total focus on demonization without innovation. That's a stunning lack of honesty about any policy, there are going to be trade-offs with anything (and dropping 20 million people from coverage, many of whom are the working white poor that voted for them, is a hell of a trade-off). It's a brilliant campaign strategy...until you have to govern. Second, you have a POTUS that is not well-liked who promised "insurance for everybody". He said he had a plan. Where is it? Even if Trump didn't act like an ass (I swear, you can take 15 points off his ratings just for Twitter), he also over-promised.
There is no way for media coverage to not be negative when, after seven years of out right lying and the new guy who should have momentum over-promising, you put up a bill that doesn't deliver those combined promises. Honestly, it would be more popular if they all ran on "fvck those people over there, it will be cheaper for you working folks", that Dog Rescueer (why is there an Eer in his name? Hmmm...) likes. There can be no cheaper, better, and for everybody. We need to be having a "pick two" discussion. An honest discussion...we didn't have that with Obamacare, and we sure as hell are not having that now. But it's the Republican's problem now, isn't it?
The only 2 major states Killary managed to win were NY and CA. If you insist she should win due to popular vote, then you are implying those 2 states should have enough influence to determine the POTUS.
I absolutely agree the GOP shit the bed. Single payer was the end goal of Obamacare and he press did nothing to look at downside of the law, mandated coverage minimums risk pools etc that have increased premiums and reduced choice. Even now when they talk about trump care they don't mention the lack of choice many people have in the individual market that is a direct result of Obamacare a failures.
And for better or worse, I think ultimately it will be worse, we will have single payer in <10 years
The electoral college is just fine.
Sorry Thunder Cat. Im just disapppointed in the trump camp. My whole family on dads side are hard core republicans. Thats the doctrine I lived under. My dad thought Nixon was innocent.. I dont want affliation with a party to blind me. I want Trump to prove he is the man. I want him to be a better represenative of America.
Shit. The media loved the idea of 26 year old "kids" staying on mommy and daddy's healthcare.
The media loved higher taxes on medical companies, employer plans, and the "rich" (while also ignoring the tax increases on everyone else) to "pay" for it.
The media loved the govt subsidies that would make it "affordable".
The media loved it when Obummer said you could keep your doctor and your plan.
The media loved touting that 48 mil Americans would "finally get insurance", despite that number being complete fallacy.
The media loved the idea of "value based medicine" over "RVU based medicine".
The media loved the idea that ACA would lower premiums.
Basic economic sense told you the ACA was going to flop.
The media loved higher taxes on medical companies, employer plans, and the "rich" (while also ignoring the tax increases on everyone else) to "pay" for it.
The media loved the govt subsidies that would make it "affordable".
The media loved it when Obummer said you could keep your doctor and your plan.
The media loved touting that 48 mil Americans would "finally get insurance", despite that number being complete fallacy.
The media loved the idea of "value based medicine" over "RVU based medicine".
The media loved the idea that ACA would lower premiums.
Basic economic sense told you the ACA was going to flop.
1. What does the fact she won two major states have to do with this discussion?
2. Where have I insisted she should win due to the popular vote?
The SCOTUS (Roberts specifically) passed the ACA & the White House was allowed to argue that it was & wasn't a tax simultaneously. The ACA should have never become law.
Don't play dumb. The popular vote argument is the only leg Dems have had to stand on since the election so they can say, "Not my President!"
When you questioned herdfan06, asking did he "not believe the American people should get to pick the POTUS?"
BUT YOU ARE PERFECTLY HAPPY W/ A NEW YORKER AS PRESIDENT. MAKES SENSE TO - NO ONE.
According to a Gallup poll released about three weeks ago, Hillary Clinton has seen no gain in her favorability since the election. So even with all the lunacy, faux-outrage of the left, & the media against Trump, Americans still see her as a terrible option. And if she continues to hang around infecting the Democrat party, I bet her numbers drop.
The idea that the electoral college keeps a few states from electing a president is kind of funny because that's exactly what it creates. We all know what states are solidly blue and which ones are solidly red. It's largely a waste of campaign resources for either candidate to step foot in a state they're solidly going to win or lose. The election comes down to 3 big swing states: Ohio, Pennsylvania, & Florida. Win two (or more) of those three and you've got it. Everyone outside of those three states might as well stay home. Citizens of those 3 states elect our president. It's just a warm & fuzzy feeling for everyone else to pretend they played a part.
I would say that for anyone to win the Presidencey now requires more than winning those 3 states. Trump pulled off an upset win because he was able to flip a few former blue states as this article by Wa Po points out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-election-final-20161209-story.html
