I couldn't stop laughing while reading the list of "30 things" that really couldn't be listed.

[raleighherdfan]

Talk about your "gas lighting" Presidents. Govt and the people wanting the govt "to do something" created the supply chain failures.

Poll numbers in the toilet?? Announce a new bureaucratic council that will solve NOTHING and likely make inflation worse.

Impressive stuff by this incompetent administration. Govt agencies will share data??? Bahahahaha.

The Commerce department has developed new tools and partnered with the energy department??? Yes, more "green" energy smoke and mirrors. Bahahahaha

Can't wait to see what the "things" will actually be. Because the 2-3 things they listed here will have zero impact on inflationary pressures.

In short, there are only certain ways inflation can come down: Tighten money supply, raise interest rates, stop economic growth and throw the economy into recession. The govt pumping $$$ into the economy while simultaneously locking the economy down is what led us to the inflation we are still experiencing and morons like Mush wanted.

 

[extragreen]

In short, there are only certain ways inflation can come down: Tighten money supply, raise interest rates, stop economic growth and throw the economy into recession...OR INCREASE PRODUCTION.

SUPPLY SIDE FAILURE

 

[i am herdman]

Talk about your "gas lighting" Presidents. Govt and the people wanting the govt "to do something" created the supply chain failures.

Poll numbers in the toilet?? Announce a new bureaucratic council that will solve NOTHING and likely make inflation worse.

Impressive stuff by this incompetent administration. Govt agencies will share data??? Bahahahaha.

The Commerce department has developed new tools and partnered with the energy department??? Yes, more "green" energy smoke and mirrors. Bahahahaha

Can't wait to see what the "things" will actually be. Because the 2-3 things they listed here will have zero impact on inflationary pressures.

In short, there are only certain ways inflation can come down: Tighten money supply, raise interest rates, stop economic growth and throw the economy into recession. The govt pumping $$$ into the economy while simultaneously locking the economy down is what led us to the inflation we are still experiencing and morons like Mush wanted.

They created the problem. They are just kicking the can down the road. At some point this thing is going to crash. YOu are correct in the ways to get inflation to come down. It is all funny money right now.

 

[extragreen]

SUPPLY SIDE FAILURE

 

[raleighherdfan]

SUPPLY SIDE FAILURE---Created by your local, state, and Federal bureaucrats and politicians.

FIFY

 

[i am herdman]

FIFY

Bingo, govt caused the problem and made it worse.

 

[extragreen]

FIFY

SUPPLY SIDE FAILURE

 

[extragreen]

Bingo, govt caused the problem and made it worse.

You're a lying idiot oath breaking sucker and loser.

SUPPLY SIDE FAILURE

 

[30CAT]

I'm a lying idiot and a dumbass.

SUPPLY SIDE FAILURE

Due to COVID lockdowns, which affected airlines, shipping and labor shortages.

Dumbass.

 

[extragreen]

Due to COVID lockdowns, which affected airlines, shipping and labor shortages.

Dumbass.

SUPPLY SIDE FAILURE

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Here's an idea: don't depend on China for half the shit people buy.

 

[30CAT]

Here's an idea: don't depend on China for half the shit people buy.

Tell that to Pedo-Joe. He wants us to be dependent on China for EV batteries while destroying real energy in the U.S.

China is stockpiling fossil energy while Pedo-Joe is shutting it down.

Pedo-Joe has been bending over for China for years. He's compromised though, so it's not like he has a choice.

 

[extragreen]

Tell that to Pedo-Joe. He wants us to be dependent on China for EV batteries while destroying real energy in the U.S.

China is stockpiling fossil energy while Pedo-Joe is shutting it down.

Pedo-Joe has been bending over for China for years. He's compromised though, so it's not like he has a choice.

You're a lying idiot.

 

[30CAT]

I'm a lying idiot.

Hey dumbass. See for yourself. You have eyes, but you refuse to see. You're such a dumbass, brainwashed by your leftist messiahs.

LINK: China stockpiling record amounts of oil and boosting refining

LINK: Pedo-Joe’s Energy Policies Strengthen China at America’s Expense

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

He wants us to be dependent on China for EV batteries

Of course, this is why we are providing billions in grants and and loans to build EV batteries right here in the USA.

 

[i am herdman]

Of course, this is why we are providing billions in grants and and loans to build EV batteries right here in the USA.

where are you going to get the components and raw meaterials to build them?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

where are you going to get the components and raw meaterials to build them?

There's also grants and loans to secure the raw materials. We have quite a bit of that, and Australia has a shitload...and a vested security interest in screwing China.

I have no idea what components are required to build batteries. But I imagine we and our partner nations can make that shit too.

 

[GeauxHerd]

Due to COVID lockdowns, which affected airlines, shipping and labor shortages.

Dumbass.

And expensive gas and diesel because they shut down leases

 

[imherdfan]

where are you going to get the components and raw meaterials to build them?

My industry, my company included, have been involved with development of a component for the batteries. It’s a hot market for some in manufacturing.

 

[raleighherdfan]

My industry, my company included, have been involved with development of a component for the batteries. It’s a hot market for some in manufacturing.

Govt subsidies are sweet right now.

 

[extragreen]

Hey dumbass. See for yourself. You have eyes, but you refuse to see. You're such a dumbass, brainwashed by your leftist messiahs.

LINK: China stockpiling record amounts of oil and boosting refining

LINK: Pedo-Joe’s Energy Policies Strengthen China at America’s Expense

America is currently energy independent. You lying idiot.

 

[extragreen]

And expensive gas and diesel because they shut down leases

America is currently energy independent

 

[KyMUfan]

Of course, this is why we are providing billions in grants and and loans to build EV batteries right here in the USA.

If only it were that simple...

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/former-ford-ceo-has-a-blunt-warning-for-the-electric-vehicle-industry

 

[extragreen]

"At the same time, the company warned that, once its tentative agreement with the UAW is ratified, its vehicles will run $850 to $900 more expensive than before."

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/former-ford-ceo-has-a-blunt-warning-for-the-electric-vehicle-industry

If you can't afford the additional $789 for a new vehicle to pay for the union workers wage increase, don't buy one.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

If only it were that simple...

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/former-ford-ceo-has-a-blunt-warning-for-the-electric-vehicle-industry

No shit the switch to EVs will take longer than the idealists believe. And no shit it will take straight cash homey to get rolling, hence the billions in grants and loans to build what we need.

I don't even like the damn things, but it's obvious where the future is. If I can drive ICE until I die, I certainly will. I'm a shift the gears and hear the engine rev kind of guy.

 

[KyMUfan]

No shit the switch to EVs will take longer than the idealists believe. And no shit it will take straight cash homey to get rolling, hence the billions in grants and loans to build what we need.

That wasn't the point. There are other options. Never bet against Toyota...

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

That wasn't the point. There are other options. Never bet against Toyota...

Well, except when Toyota bet on hydrogen.

Toyota's bet on hybrids for the immediate future is smart. But IMO they need to look 20 years ahead too. Then again, they sold the same Tacoma platform for 20 years too lol.

 

[KyMUfan]

Well, except when Toyota bet on hydrogen.

I still wouldn't be so quick to dismiss hydrogen as a viable option.

Toyota's bet on hybrids for the immediate future is smart. But IMO they need to look 20 years ahead too. Then again, they sold the same Tacoma platform for 20 years too lol.

And it appears they are...

Toyota Lays Out Its EV Battery Road Map, Including a Solid-State Battery (Eventually)

Toyota has been very late to the EV party, but now the automaker is unmistakably looking to dominate.

www.caranddriver.com

And Toyota sold everyone of those Tacoma's built...

Don't bet against Toyota...

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I still wouldn't be so quick to dismiss hydrogen as a viable option.

It is viable, but it appears we, and the world, have made its choice.

And Toyota sold everyone of those Tacoma's built...

Which was my point....what were you saying about not getting the point? 🤔😂

 

[KyMUfan]

Which was my point....what were you saying about not getting the point? 🤔😂

That hydrogen was a bad bet by Toyota. I think it's still too early to tell. Technology moves fast. And the cost of technology can change fast as well.

It is viable, but it appears we, and the world, have made its choice.

Have we?

How Americans view electric vehicles

About four-in-ten Americans (38%) say they’re very or somewhat likely to seriously consider an electric vehicle (EV) for their next vehicle purchase.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Have we?

Unequivocally yes. For a variety of factors I am too busy to list and discuss.

You will now likely link to articles stating hydrogen fuel cells have an immediate future, China wants a million of them, etc. It ain't happening.

 

[KyMUfan]

Unequivocally yes. For a variety of factors I am too busy to list and discuss.

You will now likely link to articles stating hydrogen fuel cells have an immediate future, China wants a million of them, etc. It ain't happening.

Sorry to disappoint you but no links. I'm busy too. Funny that you are the most pessimistic person on this board but seem to be the most optimistic on this topic, especially the cost. We'll see how this plays out.

Lastly I thought libertarians were about limited government yet you are ok with billions being spent with little regard for return?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Lastly I thought libertarians were about limited government

In theory I am.

yet you are ok with billions being spent with little regard for return?

This is an area of economic warfare with China.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...tery-parts-winning-ev-tax-credits-2023-12-01/

China is fighting with government money. We shall too.

Funny that you are the most pessimistic person on this board

I'm quite the opposite. I'm personally optimistic. Sure, I know shitty things are brewing on the world stage, but I'm a a jolly asshole.

I see you Trumpers as the pessimists. You all think America done turned into a shithole. That's all I hear from you all on this board.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

but seem to be the most optimistic on this topic, especially the cost.

Im not optimistic on it at all. Climate change and efforts to stop it (haha!) are a major disruptor and will be a clusterfvck for a while, because that's what wholesale disruptors are.

I'm just here to tell you where things are going. We will eventually get it all figured out. We would figure it out sooner if we had 50 nuclear power plants being built and hadn't neglected our grid for decades.

 

[KyMUfan]

China is fighting with government money. We shall too.

Who's going to run out of money, or credit, first?

I'm quite the opposite.

That's funny! 😄

I see you Trumpers as the pessimists.

You would...

We would figure it out sooner if we had 50 nuclear power plants being built and hadn't neglected our grid for decades.

It will take 50 nukes to generate the power needed to charge those batteries. Technology is dynamic, not static. You keep projecting today's technology into the future.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Who's going to run out of money, or credit, first?

Likely China.

You would...

Most thoughtful people would see this.

You keep projecting today's technology into the future.

Maybe fusion one day. But you have to go to war with the army you have, not the one you want.

 

[KyMUfan]

Likely China.

A wounded, cornered animal is when it is most dangerous.

Most thoughtful people would see this.

No, only liberals that think they are libertarians...

Maybe fusion one day. But you have to go to war with the army you have, not the one you want.

I've seen the army that liberals want to have. Bad analogy...

 

[i am herdman]

My industry, my company included, have been involved with development of a component for the batteries. It’s a hot market for some in manufacturing.

Don't you need raw materials/minerals?