Imagine That. Another Group of Democrats Caught Rigging Elections

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

or was incapable of getting one within a very short timeframe.

Sure - just first wait for the bus that doesn't show up because you live in the ghetto where the money isn't as strong, so complaints/bad service really aren't viewed as importantly as they are from other areas. The next bus shows up an hour later where you pay the $1.50. It takes you to the ghetto metro/subway, but the card machine is broken since they don't fix things in the ghetto like they do other places. So you have to go to the metro guy and pay him for a card. But he's out of the booth doing whatever because they don't staff the ghetto areas in businesses like they do elsewhere. The money just isn't there to support it, and frankly, other businesses aren't wanting to come set up shop in the ghetto, so you don't have to worry about competition.

After twenty minutes, the metro guy comes back and gives you the card in exchange for your $2.25. There is a fifteen minute backup since metro doesn't send as many trains to the ghetto. You get downtown and then have to walk fifteen minutes to the location to get your ID. You wait in line for an hour. When you get to the booth, you're told that you don't have the right document to get the ID you need. You didn't know that because your cell phone was cut off for non-payment, so you couldn't call to see what you needed. There is no public library with computer access in the ghetto, so you couldn't get online. You couldn't pay your cell bill because the closest bank takes an hour to get to with public transportation, because banks aren't exactly begging for property in the ghetto. You then have to do the whole thing in reverse and pay another $3.75 for travel.

But you can't go the next three days because you have to work. Then, the ID office is closed on Sunday. You are able to go Monday but realize you don't get paid again until Friday, so you can't pay the $40 for the ID. You usually get Monday off, but your boss tells you that you have to work that day. She will give you Tuesday off instead, but your son has no school that day, and there are no child care centers in the ghetto, so you have to be with him all day. You don't want to pay an additional $7.50 roundtrip to take him downtown and make him wait 1-2 hours in line. You finally are able to go the following Monday, three weeks later.

Voting closed two weeks ago.

Welcome to the modern day poll tax.

 

[herdfan06]

Oh look everyone! Polls!

Say, wasn't Hillary leading in the polls (predicting a landslide) all the way up to election night?

LMAO!! GTFO!!

Which polls had her winning in a landslide leading all the way up to election night?

 

[herdfella]

Is that a question or are you trying to make an argument?

Finger slip, stuck keyboard, whatever.....my statement was more accurate than your accusation that poor people either can’t keep track of documents or are just horribly unorganized. That is what you were hinting at, right?

And do you know what they can't do with many of those IDs? They can't vote. They can use state and federal employment IDs for all types of things . . . except voting in some states. They can use student IDs for many things . . . except vote in some states.

The only ID I’m making reference to is a state issued DL or non-drivers ID. These two ID’s are the preferred (and most commonly required) to do any of the activities I mentioned. Soooooo, all the stuff you typed has nothing to do with anything I’m referencing.

No, not all people have IDs. The fact that it costs money to obtain them (either directly for the tangible ID or the process to get it) prohibits them from obtaining IDs.

Technically you are correct because you are using the word “all”. If you will go back and read what I wrote, I never wrote “all” because I knew you would jump on it and play word games from now until I grew tired of replying.
The fact of the matter is, adults that do adult things need to have ID whether they ever vote or not.

You're out of your fvcking mind if you think there are grocery stores (not corner stores, grocery stores) anywhere near the same ratio in ghettos than there are other areas. It's as much of an economic factor as anything.

You are out of your fvcking mind if you think I mentioned shit about ratios.
And again, not all poor people live in ghettos.

 

[mlblack16.]

Which polls had her winning in a landslide leading all the way up to election night?

Are you serious?

 

[herdfan06]

Are you serious?

Yes

 

[herdfella]

Sure - just first wait for the bus that doesn't show up because you live in the ghetto where the money isn't as strong, so complaints/bad service really aren't viewed as importantly as they are from other areas. The next bus shows up an hour later where you pay the $1.50. It takes you to the ghetto metro/subway, but the card machine is broken since they don't fix things in the ghetto like they do other places. So you have to go to the metro guy and pay him for a card. But he's out of the booth doing whatever because they don't staff the ghetto areas in businesses like they do elsewhere. The money just isn't there to support it, and frankly, other businesses aren't wanting to come set up shop in the ghetto, so you don't have to worry about competition.

After twenty minutes, the metro guy comes back and gives you the card in exchange for your $2.25. There is a fifteen minute backup since metro doesn't send as many trains to the ghetto. You get downtown and then have to walk fifteen minutes to the location to get your ID. You wait in line for an hour. When you get to the booth, you're told that you don't have the right document to get the ID you need. You didn't know that because your cell phone was cut off for non-payment, so you couldn't call to see what you needed. There is no public library with computer access in the ghetto, so you couldn't get online. You couldn't pay your cell bill because the closest bank takes an hour to get to with public transportation, because banks aren't exactly begging for property in the ghetto. You then have to do the whole thing in reverse and pay another $3.75 for travel.

But you can't go the next three days because you have to work. Then, the ID office is closed on Sunday. You are able to go Monday but realize you don't get paid again until Friday, so you can't pay the $40 for the ID. You usually get Monday off, but your boss tells you that you have to work that day. She will give you Tuesday off instead, but your son has no school that day, and there are no child care centers in the ghetto, so you have to be with him all day. You don't want to pay an additional $7.50 roundtrip to take him downtown and make him wait 1-2 hours in line. You finally are able to go the following Monday, three weeks later.

Voting closed two weeks ago.

Welcome to the modern day poll tax.

Should I type out 5 paragraphs of hypothetical that counters your hypothetical or can we agree they would both be highly unlikely?
Are you now also adding to the unorganized/can’t -keep-track-of-things stereotype to include procrastination? For goodness sake, do calendars cost as much as ID’s in your make believe world. If only election days were known well in advance, like I don’t know, on a specific Tuesday in a specific month.....that way all the people in the ghetto could plan well in advance to have enough money to pay their cell phone bill. They could ask their boss for an extra shift (since he loves giving them work) to cover the expenses they may incur for behaving as an adult and obtaining an ID that will be a requirement to do the things that mandate you prove who you say you are - whether you ever darken a voting booth or not.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[extragreen]

Identification such as a driver’s license, state ID
card, birth certificate, work or school ID card, health
insurance card, voter registration card, or proof of alien
status;

These are the acceptable IDs for obtaining food stamps.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Should I type out 5 paragraphs of hypothetical that counters your hypothetical or can we agree they would both be highly unlikely?
Are you now also adding to the unorganized/can’t -keep-track-of-things stereotype to include procrastination? For goodness sake, do calendars cost as much as ID’s in your make believe world. If only election days were known well in advance, like I don’t know, on a specific Tuesday in a specific month.....that way all the people in the ghetto could plan well in advance to have enough money to pay their cell phone bill. They could ask their boss for an extra shift (since he loves giving them work) to cover the expenses they may incur for behaving as an adult and obtaining an ID that will be a requirement to do the things that mandate you prove who you say you are - whether you ever darken a voting booth or not.

Welcome to the real world.

Highly unlikely doesn't matter. Those things are all costs associated with a person to get an acceptable ID that acts as poll tax. If it happens once, it is one time too many.

Your argument is that somebody should "behave as an adult" which means obtaining an ID? The right to vote has no qualification to "act as an adult." Your random definition of what qualifies as acting like an adult has no relevance to the Constitutional right to vote.

Face reality: Those people who are poor face a greater chance of economic hardship when it comes to being able to vote in certain states based on ID laws. Those poor people tend to be disproportionately minorities. That makes those laws poll taxes in essence.

 

[ThunderCat98]

The notion that it is too difficult for low-income people to obtain ID is ridiculous. It's really one of the most absurd things posited by Dems. Just absolute f*cking ignorance.

 

[countryroads89]

The notion that it is too difficult for low-income people to obtain ID is ridiculous. It's really one of the most absurd things posited by Dems. Just absolute f*cking ignorance.

Because voter fraud is rampant, right?
Trump's voter fraud commission revealed this, right?

 

[GreenDuke]

Here’s a possible solution. How bout a mentholated cigarette or malt liquor company value added deal of a free ID with product purchase. Send in the coupon get the ID, allow 4-6 weeks for delivery of course.
This seems right on line in this thread.

 

[mlblack16.]

Yes

First of all, your credibility just took a nosedive into the Grand Canyon when CuntreeTard69 "liked" your post.

Moody's Analytics:
Clinton is forecast to pick up 332 Electoral College votes against 206 for Republican Donald Trump, Moody’s Analytics predicted on Tuesday in the final update of its model before Election Day on Nov. 8.

FiveThirtyEight:
Forecasts 71.4% Hillary vs 28.6% Trump with an electoral count of 302.2 for Hillary vs 235.0 for Trump

CNN's Political Prediction Market:
Hillary Clinton's odds of winning the presidency rose from 78% last week to 91% Monday before Election Day

.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Just because the sign out front doesn’t say Walmart or Kroger doesn’t mean they aren’t grocery stores.

Dude, you Googled, saw places like Whitey's (that is not a nickname for Target, but it should be), and thought, "look at all those goddamn grocery stores." Just because I can get a can of soup at Circle K doesn't mean it is a grocery store.

*And for those that aren’t well-versed in the Louisville area, the west end is by no means the only area that can be described as ghetto. Raoul just cherry-picked the area that could somewhat uphold his weak argument that poor people (those that live in the ghetto) don’t have access to a grocery store

Nah, I cherry-picked the location you would most likely get shot walking to the grocery store at 11pm.

What does me walking into a grocery store have to do with any part of this discussion? I’ll help you out, nothing.

Blacks (and let's be honest, that is who this subject is about) going to the grocery store to buy beer had nothing to with this topic, yet you used it as part of your argument. You made a lot of assumptions about the poor: that they drink, they get welfare, and get controlled substances at the pharmacy. Assuming they have a bank account was just icing on that cake (I can't speak for other states, but in Indiana a bank account is not required to receive "welfare"). And if you can't take some ball-breaking over that, your next 38 posts are going to be fun.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Here’s a possible solution. How bout a mentholated cigarette or malt liquor company value added deal of a free ID with product purchase. Send in the coupon get the ID, allow 4-6 weeks for delivery of course.
This seems right on line in this thread.

Great idea. Will this purchase also increase my penis size? I want to drive them honkey women crazy with my BBC.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

First of all, your credibility just took a nosedive into the Grand Canyon when CuntreeTard69 "liked" your post.

Moody's Analytics:
Clinton is forecast to pick up 332 Electoral College votes against 206 for Republican Donald Trump, Moody’s Analytics predicted on Tuesday in the final update of its model before Election Day on Nov. 8.

FiveThirtyEight:
Forecasts 71.4% Hillary vs 28.6% Trump with an electoral count of 302.2 for Hillary vs 235.0 for Trump

CNN's Political Prediction Market:
Hillary Clinton's odds of winning the presidency rose from 78% last week to 91% Monday before Election Day

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Those are not polls.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

The notion that it is too difficult for low-income people to obtain ID is ridiculous. It's really one of the most absurd things posited by Dems. Just absolute f*cking ignorance.

It's also absurd to believe voter fraud is rampant.

Perhaps the media would be better off to describe this as a modern day poll tax (you can get a free ID, but the shit you need to get one is not free, including bills in your name), but 75% of the country has no idea what that phrase means. So they use the "it's a pain in the ass to get an ID" angle. And truth be told, in some places it is a pain in the ass to get an ID, especially if one does not drive or own a car.

Personally I would rather a dozen people somehow get a hard-on from voting twice and get away with it than thousands of people facing a hurdle to voting. I believe the legal world has such on thought on the guilty being free and the innocent being jailed....

 

[mlblack16.]

Those are not polls.

Those are predictors, based on the data from the polls. I'm not spending any more time, digging around on Google to find the poll information.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Those are predictors, based on the data from the polls. I'm not spending any more time, digging around on Google to find the poll information.

I charge $30 an hour for research. You can PM your credit card info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natio...the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

 

[ThunderCat98]

I agree that voter fraud is much more prevalent at the state and local levels than in federal elections, but it does exist.

modern day poll tax

And truth be told, in some places it is a pain in the ass to get an ID, especially if one does not drive or own a car.

Complete and utter horsesh*t.

 

[ThunderCat98]

All these arguments are complete garbage. Just f*cking admit that you like the idea of illegals voting because it gives Dem candidates a better chance of winning. At least then you have some intellectual honesty in your position. The notion that it is too expensive or difficult for the poor to get an ID is absolute bullsh*t. They have no problem registering for welfare, medical care, or cell phones.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Complete and utter horsesh*t.

I am going to offer you another of my "drop and walk" challenges.

This one will also assume your poor ass does not drive or have a car, and zero public transportation.

Your task is to make it to Elkins WV to get your ID. Take your pick for your walking starting point: Pickens or Osceloa. First week of November. You up for the challenge?

 

[extragreen]

Here's the solution to the problem. Let's have voting booths inside the regular voting booths that will allow people to vote with zero ID and without registering. Kind of like the gun shows where you can purchase weapons with zero ID and zero registration.

 

[mlblack16.]

I am going to offer you another of my "drop and walk" challenges.

This one will also assume your poor ass does not drive or have a car, and zero public transportation.

Your task is to make it to Elkins WV to get your ID. Take your pick for your walking starting point: Pickens or Osceloa. First week of November. You up for the challenge?

Well, considering everyone has had since November 9th, 2016 to get started, all of these Elkins, WV folk, with such limited access, could easily walk to California and back to get an ID by the time Nov 3rd, 2020 rolls around. What does a basic ID cost $15 max? Could they theoretically raise the funds needed by saving $0.33/month x 48 months = $15.84

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Well, considering everyone has had since November 9th, 2016 to get started, all of these Elkins, WV folk, with such limited access, could easily walk to California and back to get an ID by the time Nov 3rd, 2020 rolls around. What does a basic ID cost $15 max? Could they theoretically raise the funds needed by saving $0.33/month x 48 months = $15.84

They just decided to vote, Joe Manchin finally pissed them off.

And those two towns are not in Elkins. There are about as BFE as one can get in Randolph County....there's a spot up the Gauley headwaters that is more remote, but I don't think anyone lives out there.

The question isn't if it is a pain in the ass. The question is, should it be a pain in the ass? We have made it more difficult to vote than have a gun*, yet both are rights. Should exercising a right cost anything?

*Don't give me that shit about needing an ID to buy a gun, we all know we can buy guns without an ID and have them given to us without an ID.

 

[mlblack16.]

They just decided to vote, Joe Manchin finally pissed them off.

And those two towns are not in Elkins. There are about as BFE as one can get in Randolph County....there's a spot up the Gauley headwaters that is more remote, but I don't think anyone lives out there.

The question isn't if it is a pain in the ass. The question is, should it be a pain in the ass? We have made it more difficult to vote than have a gun*, yet both are rights. Should exercising a right cost anything?

*Don't give me that shit about needing an ID to buy a gun, we all know we can buy guns without an ID and have them given to us without an ID.

I swear, I think the local voting location I use will allow the most recent utility bill as identification? I mean, you have to admit, there should be a way to prevent the huge population of illegal aliens in a state such as California from being allowed to vote in elections.

 

[ThunderCat98]

Here's the solution to the problem. Let's have voting booths inside the regular voting booths that will allow people to vote with zero ID and without registering. Kind of like the gun shows where you can purchase weapons with zero ID and zero registration.

Which is equally terrible as not requiring an ID to vote.

 

[herdfella]

Dude, you Googled, saw places like Whitey's (that is not a nickname for Target, but it should be), and thought, "look at all those goddamn grocery stores." Just because I can get a can of soup at Circle K doesn't mean it is a grocery store.

There are more than Circle K's in the area. If you look, while not a super store, there are actually small grocery stores that offer more than the token convenience foods sold at gas stations.

Nah, I cherry-picked the location you would most likely get shot walking to the grocery store at 11pm.

I never predicated any of my comments to imply that going to the grocery store at 11pm was a requirement. Maybe they should just walk to the store at 9 in the morning? Everyone knows that is the safest time to be in the ghetto because all the thugs don't wake up until well after noon. (*don't bother throwing out the race card, you opened that door - not me)

Blacks (and let's be honest, that is who this subject is about) going to the grocery store to buy beer had nothing to with this topic, yet you used it as part of your argument. You made a lot of assumptions about the poor: that they drink, they get welfare, and get controlled substances at the pharmacy. Assuming they have a bank account was just icing on that cake (I can't speak for other states, but in Indiana a bank account is not required to receive "welfare"). And if you can't take some ball-breaking over that, your next 38 posts are going to be fun.

While blacks may be a large populous of the "poor", they are not the sole focus of my comments. Rifle and you narrowed the topic to fit your argument and your borderline racist ideology. Going to the grocery to buy beer or cigarettes, going to the pharmacy to pick up a prescription or hell, even some cold medicine, receiving some sort of welfare (welfare is more than just foodstamps btw) and yes, even having a bank account are all fair assumptions of what poor people (not just Black people) regularly do or take part in. Minus the welfare, those things are what most fvcking adults do! It's not a black/white/yellow/brown thing, it's an adult thing. In order to function as an adult in this society an ID is already something that is required to preform normal, routine activities - doesn't matter if you are rich, poor or somewhere in between.

You work with special needs or some type of nonprofit that more than likely includes working with some "poor" people. Ask someone receiving SSI benefits (which by definition is indeed a type of assistance program) how they receive them. Hint, it isn't a check in the mail, it is a direct deposit to a bank account. Accounts aren't opened without a state issued ID or Federal ID (passport, etc), that isn't a West Virginia or Indiana or Kentucky thing, it is a federally mandated thing. The working poor that may just be above the threshold for receiving some sort of benefit also have bank accounts. The McDonald's and Walmart's of the world don't hand out paper checks on payday, adults that get assistance or have some type of job have accounts somewhere. I, and I would assume most poor, find it patronizing and offensive that it is assumed "poor" people are unable to function as normal adults because they are unorganized/forgetful/lazy/procrastinators.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I swear, I think the local voting location I use will allow the most recent utility bill as identification? I mean, you have to admit, there should be a way to prevent the huge population of illegal aliens in a state such as California from being allowed to vote in elections.

Here in Indiana it has to be a driver's license or state ID (and I mean the official one, not like a school ID).

Look, this isn't a huge issue to me (but I am going to give shit to the guy who thinks ghetto blacks buy their beer at Kroger). And most of my concern is for seniors, not the young. But you can't tell me the Republicans in Indianapolis were sitting around actually worried about illegals voting...it was more like, "Can we keep a few of those Negroes in Gary from voting?" Those folks in Gary gave the state to Obama.

I sincerely do not think masses of illegals are voting. Hell, they are afraid to call the police when they are crime victims for fear of being deported. But if hordes of them do, shoot them in the street for all I care. But again, if you really think hordes of illegals are voting in all these white bread states with voter ID laws, you may have fallen for some FOX propaganda shit.

 

[extragreen]

Which is equally terrible as not requiring an ID to vote.

No, not equally. Not until anyone who wants to can walk into a voting booth and vote without being asked for anything as proof of ID.

 

[mlblack16.]

Not until anyone who wants to can walk into a voting booth and vote without being asked for anything as proof of ID.

And why is this important to you? Are ID's hard to come by OW?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

While blacks may be a large populous of the "poor", they are not the sole focus of my comments. Rifle and you narrowed the topic to fit your argument and your borderline racist ideology. Blah blah blah, additional blahs.

You work with special needs or some type of nonprofit that more than likely includes working with some "poor" people. Ask someone receiving SSI benefits (which by definition is indeed a type of assistance program) how they receive them. Hint, it isn't a check in the mail, it is a direct deposit to a bank account. Blah blah blah doesn't know shit, oh look here comes some fake conservative defensive triggering bullshit....I, and I would assume most poor, find it patronizing and offensive that it is assumed "poor" people are unable to function as normal adults because they are unorganized/forgetful/lazy/procrastinators.

Actually the mainstream media that is so hated by conservatives are the ones painting this as a race issue. Here, read:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.6.527....0.a6W0blIIQyw

And I am going to troll you crackers anyway...


Fun fact: the people I work with do not have to have bank accounts in their name. You ever hear of a rep payee? Tell me some more about stuff you don't know about....that has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand (hint: it's about colored people; your media says brown, the mainstream media says black).

Lots of deflection and projection in that post. Like you care, lol!

 

[extragreen]

Hint, it isn't a check in the mail, it is a direct deposit to a bank account.

Not if you want to use a direct express card.

 

[herdfella]

Actually the mainstream media that is so hated by conservatives are the ones painting this as a race issue. Here, read:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.6.527....0.a6W0blIIQyw


Fun fact: the people I work with do not have to have bank accounts in their name. You ever hear of a rep payee? Tell me some more about stuff you don't know about....that has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand (hint: it's about colored people; your media says brown, the mainstream media says black).

Lots of deflection and projection in that post. Like you care, lol!

When a Rep Payee account is opened, if the individual that the account is being opened on behalf of is above the age of 18 (16 in some states), the financial institution is required to obtain a valid form of state or federal ID for that individual in addition to the the ID of the person that is going to be controlling the account. If the person is a minor, there are other items that may be required, but we aren't talking about minors. The Patriot Act and its associated CIP's are easily accessible on the internet for your reading pleasure. You are wrong, and appear to be completely ignorant of anything regarding the processes/regulation requirement associated with banking and finance.

The topic at hand is based on the opinion that poor people (or black people in your eyes) don't have ID. All of my posts have been about giving real world examples showing that premise to be greatly exaggerated due to the fact that today's society require ID's to preform many routine tasks/activities.

I believe an excellent example of deflection/projection would be from your scenario of dodging gunshots while walking through the ghetto at 11 at night to go grocery shopping. Talk about having nothing to do with the topic at hand.....

 

[herdfella]

Not if you want to use a direct express card.

You do realize that the Direct Express Card is serviced by a bank, right? And while you may never walk into that bank and do a withdrawal, there is an account associated with your name on their books. The person receiving benefits had to have ID to enroll in the benefits program. The bank therefore received your State/Federal ID information from the government entity that is depositing the benefits to the account tied to the card.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

You are wrong

Nope. I told you they do not need an account in their name. My point being that people can in fact live without a bank account in their name. Shocker.

See fvckface, I am here making different points than you, and the entire idea is to get you to respond to every single one of my posts....which seems to be working.

 

[herdfella]

Nope. I told you they do not need an account in their name. My point being that people can in fact live without a bank account in their name. Shocker.

See fvckface, I am here making different points than you, and the entire idea is to get you to respond to every single one of my posts....which seems to be working.

You can take any moral victory that your want out of your incorrect posts, doesn't bother me. The points you are trying to make are inaccurate. Fact is, you are wrong. Their names and SS#'s are on the account. Rep Payee accounts are reported to the government under the name of the benefactor, not the authorized user. You are going to need a ladder to get out of the hole you are digging.

Insert dumb picture/meme here....

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

blah.

I've been trolling you this entire thread, with sarcasm and satire pointed at the media, boderline racist conservatives, and even a little at rifle.

And my few serious points stand. No one absolutely has to have their own bank account in their name...technicalities aside, my peeps are not acting as we do with banking accounts. Lots of people simply do not have bank accounts for whatever reason. People in the ghetto are not buying their booze at fvcking Kroger. This really isn't much of an issue to me. And I still want to drop your ass off on West Broadway at 11 PM on a hot summer night and see if you make the news.

Here, have a random meme:

 

[herdfan06]

First of all, your credibility just took a nosedive into the Grand Canyon when CuntreeTard69 "liked" your post.

Moody's Analytics:
Clinton is forecast to pick up 332 Electoral College votes against 206 for Republican Donald Trump, Moody’s Analytics predicted on Tuesday in the final update of its model before Election Day on Nov. 8.

FiveThirtyEight:
Forecasts 71.4% Hillary vs 28.6% Trump with an electoral count of 302.2 for Hillary vs 235.0 for Trump

CNN's Political Prediction Market:
Hillary Clinton's odds of winning the presidency rose from 78% last week to 91% Monday before Election Day

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That is a holistic view...