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Isn’t it odd

Bonds didn't start juicing until 1998. By then he had already won three NL MVPs; three gold gloves; and seven silver sluggers. If his career had ended in 1998, Bonds would be a .290 hitter with 411 home runs, 1,917 hits, 1,216 RBI, and a .966 OPS. Those are HOFer numbers all by themselves.

I hated Bonds but he was an unbelievable talent.
True Chris, but the juicing extended his career and helped him become the HR king - which I look at as a farce.
 
Saw Pete sitting the in Cinny airport several (many) years ago. I introduced myself, did't ask for autograph or anything, and got the quickest brush you could imagine. Maybe two mumbled words from him. As a fan of the Big Red Machine I lost one of of it's stars in my own mind.
 
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Saw Pete sitting the in Cinny airport several (many) years ago. I introduced myself, did't ask for autograph or anything, and got the quickest brush you could imagine. Maybe two mumbled words from him. As a fan of the Big Red Machine I lost one of of it's stars in my own mind.
What did you expect... to becomeInstant friends?
 
Bleacher Report did a ranking of the best players ever based on WAR, fWAR, and the traditional baseball stats (BA, HR, RBI, OBP, FIP for position players/ Wins, ERA, Saves, Ks for pitchers)... Pete Rose was not in the top 25. He was an honorable mention and they didn't even include guys still playing, so Trout wasn't on the list.

Outside issues were not factored in (steroids, juiced balls, Black Sox, gambling, etc) just pure numbers.

Their top 10 MLB players of all time based on the above criteria...

1. Babe Ruth
2. Willie Mays
3. Barry Bonds
4. Ted Williams
5. Hank Aaron
6. Ty Cobb
7. Lou Gehrig
8. Walter Johnson
9. Cy Young
10. Rogers Hornsby

Give Williams the playing time back that he missed while serving the US in TWO wars and he would be at the top of this list, HANDS DOWN!
 
Bonds didn't start juicing until 1998. By then he had already won three NL MVPs; three gold gloves; and seven silver sluggers. If his career had ended in 1998, Bonds would be a .290 hitter with 411 home runs, 1,917 hits, 1,216 RBI, and a .966 OPS. Those are HOFer numbers all by themselves.

I hated Bonds but he was an unbelievable talent.
which makes wonder why did he juice it up? he was already very good
 
Oh, and there's no chance Pete Rose is anywhere close to a top 5 baseball player of all time.

It's ok to be a Reds fan and think that (we all overvalue our favorite players), but you have to understand literally no one else on earth agrees with your stance.
he may not be top 5, but if i am buidling a team i would love a guy like him on it. gonna hit of course but give it his all every day and i could put him just about anywhere on the field and if my team is in the american league he could DH.
 
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