Kent State
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Kent is terrible. Marshall loses to that game you have some serious problems.
Kent has been bad since their coach left for Purdue, they are not in OU's zipcode and probably not a whole lot better that Norfolk
If Birdsong continues to struggle no game is a sure thing. The last thing any Herd fan needs to say is - "Yeah, we'll beat them by 2-3 TD's."
All the more reasons that Doc and company be more concerned than what beefcake0520 just posted or suffer an even more humiliating defeat! Marshall cannot afford to think that any game is an automatic win. That thinking gets us in trouble ever season.
I wasn't saying we couldn't lose to them. If Birdsong doesn't improve and we don't bring tight ends to establish more of a running game, no game will be a for sure thing. The next two or three games will tell us a little. To say the Kent or Norfolk is equal to OU is absurd though, just stating facts. Personally I would rather them give someone else a shot behind center and was baffled they didn't against OU. Receivers have to step up as well, remember just a few years ago the issues they had getting separation? We are starting to see similar things again and there is no excuse for it but as a QB you have to be able to give your guy a shot to catch the ball when tight man coverage is present, Birdsong crapped the bed big time with this not being able to drop it in to give the receiver a shot at a jump ball.
We "should" throttle the next two opponents, maybe the next three, the main question will be "will we?" If we are going to be a play action, short intermediate pass type offense, we have to do better establishing the run and sticking to it in my opinion and it seems the oline may not be able to do it all by themselves so a tightend or two might need to stay on the field and not flexed out, it might be the only way to open up medium to long pass routes without having to worry about tight man coverage. I guess we will see what, if any, changes are made this coming weekend.
We "should" throttle the next two opponents, maybe the next three, the main question will be "will we?" If we are going to be a play action, short intermediate pass type offense, we have to do better establishing the run and sticking to it in my opinion and it seems the oline may not be able to do it all by themselves so a tightend or two might need to stay on the field and not flexed out, it might be the only way to open up medium to long pass routes without having to worry about tight man coverage. I guess we will see what, if any, changes are made this coming weekend.
No game is automatic if you do not have a Div I level QB. We do not. Probably every player on Kent State is not good enough to play for MU, but by not having a QB, that can all be rendered irrelevant.
I don't count any game as certain. Even Norfolk, Kent, or Charlotte.
I don't count any game as certain. Even Norfolk, Kent, or Charlotte.
How exactly is Kent state a trap game?
I really don't understand our fans,
two weeks ago we beat Purdue: nothing terrible to say about birdsong he played decent had some ups and downs and overall no one was impressed but no one is discouraged or calling for Litton either. Led the go ahead scoring drive late in the game.
Last week. We lost to Ohio: he played terrible, but was not alone. We have 200 yards in penalties, start 6 of our first 7 drives with 10-15 yard penalties deep in our own territory, our receivers can't get separation and our play calling terrible.
All of a sudden "he can't take it! He's not a D1 QB! Burn the redshirt! We're doomed!"
1 bad loss. In a game where at least part of his performance can be explained by the teams poor performance, and we give up hope that the guy can win games. Lunacy.
I agree with most of what you said except that I dont believe part of Birds' performance can be attributed anywhere but himself. He honestly contributed nothing positive. He was in some bad situations in the first half due to penalties. But he had every opportunity to move the chains, score points and win games in the second half and wasn't even close to making any of it happen. In fact he contributed less than zero, because his fumble inside the 10 was amazingly costly. Even a FG there keeps us in contention until the clock hits 0:00.
I agree that he didn't do anything positive and that his performance lies on him, but I will say our offense is all about rhythm and penalties can really disrupt that rhythm. I think he played poorly. But... It's not the end of the world. It was one game in a stadium where we have looked awful in 3 straight games. It we go with Litton that's fine, I just think it's a little premature to call this guy one of the worst QB's in school history, after 1 game.
It's not lunacy. Why do you think Doc is considering burning Litton RS? They obviously see a lot more in practice and games than we do. There is some alarm by the coaching staff otherwise you wouldn't see our coach threatening to burn the redshirt of possibly our future next great QB.
Dude, the way he looked in Athens was even worse than was Cato did as a true freshman, with the point being that he is not a freshman, he is not a first time starter, this isn't his first rodeo. Usually we lost by turnovers and bad defense but never had the feel that we were completely inept on offense, minus Cato's freshman year where we were not good in any phase of the game and in the process of rebuilding. Defense fixed, turnovers still there, no offensive leadership or movement other than Devon trying to carry them down field. So the only constant theme is turnovers, and we almost won last time despite them and the quick slant. Even though the score was close till the end, we were never in the game, gotta move the football for that. Our last trip up there we moved up and down the field at will, yeah we had turnovers, yeah the defense was baffled by the slant, but I never once felt we were inept. I challenge you to go back and look at Purdue and Ohio games and tell me with a straight face that most passes were not telegraphed from locking in at the snap. This is a freshman mistake and even most freshman that do start do not tend to do this almost every snap. Look I am sure he is a likeable young man and he is playing the most high profile position which puts everything under a microscope and everything is more noticeable but other than the one drive against Purdue where their defense backed off a bit, I haven't seen much to like. To date he has had one of the worst performances in school history, we are reliving Skinner, Morris, and especially Cann. Those are years most of us want to forget. Thing is we don't need Birdsong or Litton or Gunner to be a Cato, but we do need them to manage the offense and make plays. Similar to what Cato did on down nights, not the best stats, but average and managed the offense, made plays.
Yeah, cause Birdsong committed the false start penalties, the holding, or the PI...
I agree, he had the chance to change it all and he didn't, but good lord, the way you're making it sound, it'd seem like the entire game was all his fault.
Back to the game...
Kent is a better test for us than Norfolk...mainly because, despite being a terrible D-1 team, they're still a D-1 team. They'll also be out for us just because, it seems every MAC school wants to beat us.
I don't know if Doc's really going to burn Chase's redshirt or not, but Birdsong would really have to try in order to screw up against them.
He didn't cause us to be in those situations but didn't help get us out of them. He didn't call the plays but his accuracy was atrocious. I mean he threw the ball at Johnsons feet on an extremely short pass. I'm not saying for sure that the others will do better but at this point what is it really going to hurt if our starter can't even complete that pass
Another trap game. Stop scheduling MAC teams and we will stop losing to MAC teams...
I'd really like to see how he plays tomorrow, even though Norfolk State is an FCS team, before making any real decisions. He played awful in Athens, but so did the entire offense. Even Rockhead had a costly fumble.
Also, minor gripe, FCS is still D1 football. It's just the lower subdivision of Division 1.
Also, minor gripe, FCS is still D1 football. It's just the lower subdivision of Division 1.
It was his fault. The rest of the offense made mistakes, but if he puts together one scoring drive, just one, we probably win that game.
We were 3-0 against the MAC last year. OU just has our number. We play terrible there and they are better prepared. jmo.
Let's be honest here. They are called Division 1 because they are pretending to be something they are not and the "everyone should get a participation trophy PC crowd has enabled them to do so.
And here I thought it was because Div1 got too big in the late 70s, leading to a split into A and AA, both of which were still in a higher division and level of play than Div2. But this is an argument for the smack board haha.
As for Kent, they'll be a nice part of the ramp up from FCS to conference play. Good for recovering from that OU loss!
As for Kent, they'll be a nice part of the ramp up from FCS to conference play. Good for recovering from that OU loss!
Defensively Rick minter is one of the best at in gsme adjustments that we've had here...
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