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Here is voted on the list. Tyson and Lenox Lewis voted but did not vote for themselves.

Trainers: Teddy Atlas, Pat Burns, Virgil Hunter and Don Turner.

Matchmakers: Eric Bottjer, Don Chargin, Don Elbaum, Bobby Goodman, Ron Katz, Mike Marchionte, Russell Peltz and Bruce Trampler.

Media: Al Bernstein, Ron Borges, Gareth A Davies, Norm Frauenheim, Jerry Izenberg, Harold Lederman, Paulie Malignaggi, Dan Rafael and Michael Rosenthal

Historians: Craig Hamilton, Steve Lott, Don McRae, Bob Mee, Clay Moyle, Adam Pollack and Randy Roberts
 
WV-FAN said:
in tyson's prime, he'd have killed either of those. if yore too stupid to understand that, bow out of this conversation and have a bleach cocktail for lunch.
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Holyfield was past his prime when they fought twice you retard and he still slaughtered him. He’s 3 years older than Tyson. Holyfield was a better boxer from the onset as evident by making and placing in the Olympics, Tyson failed to make the team. Holyfield has a better resume as well.
 
Marine03 said:
Holyfield was past his prime when they fought twice you retard and he still slaughtered him. He’s 3 years older than Tyson. Holyfield was a better boxer from the onset as evident by making and placing in the Olympics, Tyson failed to make the team. Holyfield has a better resume as well.
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Marine03 said:
Holyfield was past his prime when they fought twice you retard and he still slaughtered him. He’s 3 years older than Tyson. Holyfield was a better boxer from the onset as evident by making and placing in the Olympics, Tyson failed to make the team. Holyfield has a better resume as well.
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pros agree with me. you agree with you. see the difference?
 
Holyfield also lost to Michael Moorer and Ridick Bowe twice before he ever fought Tyson. He also racked up wins in the cruiser weight and light heavyweight ranks.
 
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And the panelists factored in toughness. Some of the fighters on this list had a bit of quit in them. In the eyes of several electors, that was where Tyson came up short.

And then there are fighters like Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and Marciano. You could have shot those guys 10 times with a gun, posits one panelist, and they still wouldn’t have quit.
 
i am herdman said:
One difference:
In 1966, Ali refused to be drafted into the military, citing his religious beliefs and opposition to the Vietnam War. He was arrested, found guilty of draft evasion, and stripped of his boxing titles.

Was Trump?

Two, Ali was allowed to go back to boxing and I respect his boxing skills and he likely was the greatest heavyweight of all time.

I didn't like Obama but, would still respect him in an official capacity and I would expect other so called allies to do the same.
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I agree...Trump should of been stripped of all his boxing titles. Either that or Ali should of had the same bone spur doctor.
 
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i am herdman said:
Holyfield also lost to Michael Moorer and Ridick Bowe twice before he ever fought Tyson. He also racked up wins in the cruiser weight and light heavyweight ranks.
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Both were heavyweight champions. Of course he racked up wins there he was a multi time champion in those divisions which makes his heavyweight run much more impressive
 
Marine03 said:
An excerpt from the article

And the panelists factored in toughness. Some of the fighters on this list had a bit of quit in them. In the eyes of several electors, that was where Tyson came up short.

And then there are fighters like Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and Marciano. You could have shot those guys 10 times with a gun, posits one panelist, and they still wouldn’t have quit.
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I don't disagree but overall the panel disagrees with you.
 
i am herdman said:
I don't disagree but overall the panel disagrees with you.
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The panel took in consideration a number of factors. I’m talking from just simply boxing standpoint Holyfield was better. He’s got a better resume, and he beat him twice and was 3 years older so you can’t argue the “in his prime”
 
Marine03 said:
The panel took in consideration a number of factors. I’m talking from just simply boxing standpoint Holyfield was better. He’s got a better resume, and he beat him twice and was 3 years older so you can’t argue the “in his prime”
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OK, Marine. I think you are missing the point and the big picture. But, ok.
 
i am herdman said:
OK, Marine. I think you are missing the point and the big picture. But, ok.
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No I’m not, you and Fan tried to make an argument off a list that was bogus and you can’t back out now. I can pull dozens of lists to solidify my argument, would like for me to? Or do you want to just shut the fvck up and move on?
 
Marine03 said:
No I’m not, you and Fan tried to make an argument off a list that was bogus and you can’t back out now. I can pull dozens of lists to solidify my argument, would like for me to? Or do you want to just shut the fvck up and move on?
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My list is bogus? Did you see the people who arrived at that list? We weren't even trying to argue Tyson vs Holyfield we were talking about black boxers in which 7 of the top 10 on that list are black. You can put Holyfield in there for Tyson but they are both black.
 
i am herdman said:
My list is bogus? Did you see the people who arrived at that list? We weren't even trying to argue Tyson vs Holyfield we were talking about black boxers in which 7 of the top 10 on that list are black. You can put Holyfield in there for Tyson but they are both black.
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Yes, bogus as you posted it and had no idea the criteria. You posted it as a list to prove a point that no one was arguing to begin with. So when I see the list with that type of information on it I called you on it. We were taking black and Hispanic boxers, not heavyweights and certainly not on that criteria these voters were using (which you obviously never read) before you posted.
 
Marine03 said:
Yes, bogus as you posted it and had no idea the criteria. You posted it as a list to prove a point that no one was arguing to begin with. So when I see the list with that type of information on it I called you on it. We were taking black and Hispanic boxers, not heavyweights and certainly not on that criteria these voters were using (which you obviously never read) before you posted.
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Well go through every list of every weight class and tell me the number of hispanics, blacks, and whites. You didn't call me out on anything. I said most good boxers are hispanics and blacks. I stand behind that.
 
i am herdman said:
Well go through every list of every weight class and tell me the number of hispanics, blacks, and whites. You didn't call me out on anything. I said most good boxers are hispanics and blacks. I stand behind that.
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hate to say this, but I'm thinking marines profile has been hacked by Yags, or worse yet, greed. Nobody else cares to argue over small stuff like that.
 
MichiganHerd said:
hate to say this, but I'm thinking marines profile has been hacked by Yags, or worse yet, greed. Nobody else cares to argue over small stuff like that.
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You do until you get bitch slapped and then you look for ways to get out of it. Which is the case here
 
MichiganHerd said:
hate to say this, but I'm thinking marines profile has been hacked by Yags, or worse yet, greed. Nobody else cares to argue over small stuff like that.
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Nobody is as stupid as you (well, most of the cons on this board are) when you ignore the other party required to have an argument.
 
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